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[Dorothea]

We are addressing such issues by making certain rules reflect that what is in violation.
Here are the rules for GT ...
The last part lists specific words other Christians should not be identified as.
It is up to other posters to report such posts and moderation team would handle it.

Guidelines for Posting in General Theology

• Always remember that you are first and foremost brothers and sisters in Christ, regardless of your theological differences and viewpoints.
• Do not identify a group of members or a theological viewpoint with a derogatory or inflammatory label.
• NT writers' teachings do not contradict each other or the teachings of Christ. (2 Peter 3:15,16)
• Do not teach or promote sinless perfectionism.
• It is considered off topic to challenge Paul's place as an Apostle.
• When speaking about well-known, revered and highly regarded past or present leaders, theologians, saints (living or deceased) of other Nicene Christian denominations, please show a measure of respect. These public religious figures are respected by the members who belong to those denominations. Please avoid using inflammatory words or phrases in reference to these public religious figures.
• It is permissible to discuss biblical/historical topics that may include inflammatory words or phrases as long as the usage of these words does not specifically flame any CF recognized Nicene group or denomination or insinuate that they are not Christians. Please use these words and phrases with caution.
• Examples of inflammatory words/phrases (including but not limited to): idolaters, false/different/other gospel, false prophet, false doctrine, heretics, blasphemers, evil, sheep in wolves clothing, different God, antichrists, Antichrist, cannibalism/cannibal (concerning Eucharist), Judaizer
• http://www.christianforums.com/t7780354/

Ok, yes, I know the rules. But are you telling me people can violate the rules all they want if people don't report them? Isn't it the Mod's job to monitor for that?

 

[NamelessHero]

Ok, yes, I know the rules. But are you telling me people can violate the rules all they want if people don't report them? Isn't it the Mod's job to monitor for that?

The mods don't actively patrol threads. They either stumble across a violation or they see a report.

 

[Dorothea]

The mods don't actively patrol threads. They either stumble across a violation or they see a report.

I see. I had this impression that mods monitor each forum they're assigned to and keep an eye out for such violations. At least that's how it is on other forums in which I'm a member.

Personally, I don't think most Orthodox like to hit the report button, and frequently would be unheard of.

 

[Thekla]

The mods don't actively patrol threads. They either stumble across a violation or they see a report.

Interesting ...

do mods go to GT ?

Characterizing Orthodox theology on the Incarnation and iconography as a psychiatrically defined clinical symptom seems just a little flamey to me, or provocation.

But it does seem that there is a policy of no report = no problem.

Perhaps the mods want a flood of reports instead

What is the limit of reports per member before one is unofficially tagged as a troublemaker ?

 

[Dorothea]

Besides, reporting all the time makes me feel like a junior high school student. I would think the Mods should be monitoring for such junk. I mean, when I was in GT, I assumed with the bunch of Mod names in the forum, they were actually there looking over stuff. So when something insulting and inflammatory against the rules was posted, they'd be right there to catch it. Obviously my ignorance on how it works here.

 

[NamelessHero]

Besides, reporting all the time makes me feel like a junior high school student. I would think the Mods should be monitoring for such junk. I mean, when I was in GT, I assumed with the bunch of Mod names in the forum, they were actually there looking over stuff. So when something insulting and inflammatory against the rules was posted, they'd be right there to catch it. Obvious my ignorance on how it works here.

Interesting ...

do mods go to GT ?

Characterizing Orthodox theology on the Incarnation and iconography as a psychiatrically defined clinical symptom seems just a little flamey to me, or provocation.

But it does seem that there is a policy of no report = no problem.

Perhaps the mods want a flood of reports instead

What is the limit of reports per member before one is unofficially tagged as a troublemaker ?

I see. I had this impression that mods monitor each forum they're assigned to and keep an eye out for such violations. At least that's how it is on other forums in which I'm a member.

Personally, I don't think most Orthodox like to hit the report button, and frequently would be unheard of.

I'm not a mod so I could be wrong, but it really does seem like they don't monitor anything. It's taken days for me to get a warning about stuff. I've been flamed on here and the only way I could get it to stop was asking a mod to close the thread. He didn't even take action against the people flaming me.

 

[Tallguy88]

Interesting ...

do mods go to GT ?

Characterizing Orthodox theology on the Incarnation and iconography as a psychiatrically defined clinical symptom seems just a little flamey to me, or provocation.

But it does seem that there is a policy of no report = no problem.

Perhaps the mods want a flood of reports instead

What is the limit of reports per member before one is unofficially tagged as a troublemaker ?

I regularly go through Theology (including GT) to find violations. But that is an exceedingly active area, so really all I can do is skim over the area, check OPs, that sort of thing. When reports start coming in on a particular thread, it lets me know there is a problem that needs attention.

Over reporting is only a problem if you keep reporting posts that are not violations. "Report everything and see what sticks" is not a good philosophy. But "report everything that is a violation" is a good policy. We don't have much of a problem with spite reporting.

 

[NamelessHero]

I regularly go through Theology (including GT) to find violations. But that is an exceedingly active area, so really all I can do is skim over the area, check OPs, that sort of thing. When reports start coming in on a particular thread, it lets me know there is a problem that needs attention.

Over reporting is only a problem if you keep reporting posts that are not violations. "Report everything and see what sticks" is not a good philosophy. But "report everything that is a violation" is a good policy. We don't have much of a problem with spite reporting.

Interesting. I really wanted to hear a mods opinion on this.
What about other areas? Like the news area. That's where I've had the most trouble with getting flamed.

 

[Thekla]

I regularly go through Theology (including GT) to find violations. But that is an exceedingly active area, so really all I can do is skim over the area, check OPs, that sort of thing. When reports start coming in on a particular thread, it lets me know there is a problem that needs attention.

Over reporting is only a problem if you keep reporting posts that are not violations. "Report everything and see what sticks" is not a good philosophy. But "report everything that is a violation" is a good policy. We don't have much of a problem with spite reporting.

So how do we know if it's a clear violation ?

Apparently (since people report issues that are not deemed violations by staff), only by reporting and seeing the process through.

Thus, liberal reporting seems the best option for members any perception of spite reporting aside.

You may not traffic much in GT, but as a regular GT contributor, they are there and apparently do not thus deem characterizingOrthodox theology as heretical and evidence of psychiatric instability.

who knew ...

 

[Tallguy88]

I'm not a mod so I could be wrong, but it really does seem like they don't monitor anything. It's taken days for me to get a warning about stuff.

That's because we have to have consensus of several mods on what appropriate action to take on a report. It can take a few days to get consensus and work the report, especially if multiple mods are on leave or it is around a holiday.

I've been flamed on here and the only way I could get it to stop was asking a mod to close the thread. He didn't even take action against the people flaming me.

How do you know the other member was not warned? It all stays confidential, so you wouldn't know if they got a warning unless they told you. Even then, they could be lying.

 

[Thekla]

I'm not a mod so I could be wrong, but it really does seem like they don't monitor anything. It's taken days for me to get a warning about stuff. I've been flamed on here and the only way I could get it to stop was asking a mod to close the thread. He didn't even take action against the people flaming me.

It sorta "just depends" in my experience.

 

[Tallguy88]

Interesting. I really wanted to hear a mods opinion on this.
What about other areas? Like the news area. That's where I've had the most trouble with getting flamed.

It's not my category, but I assume the supervisors of that area do the same.

 

[James Is Back]

As a Trainee I'm active in GT so I'm always on the lookout for violations. Tall isn't the only eyes in GT.

 

[NamelessHero]

That's because we have to have consensus of several mods on what appropriate action to take on a report. It can take a few days to get consensus and work the report, especially if multiple mods are on leave or it is around a holiday.



How do you know the other member was not warned? It all stays confidential, so you wouldn't know if they got a warning unless they told you. Even then, they could be lying.

The first part makes sense.
The second part doesn't really make sense in my situation.
Because it was 5 users on here and 2 had sent me private messages trying to continue. (Although they did have a nicer tone) If they were warned they would have completely stopped mentioning it to me.

 

[Tallguy88]

So how do we know if it's a clear violation ?

Apparently (since people report issues that are not deemed violations by staff), only by reporting and seeing the process through.

Thus, liberal reporting seems the best option for members any perception of spite reporting aside.

You may not traffic much in GT, but as a regular GT contributor, they are there and apparently do not thus deem characterizingOrthodox theology as heretical and evidence of psychiatric instability.

who knew ...

I don't post much in GT so I don't give the appearance of bias when I work reports. Actually, I can't vote in or work a report from a thread I've participated in.

I have never seen a post claiming orthodox Christianity is a psychological condition. Please report such posts or PM me a link.

 

[Tallguy88]

The first part makes sense.
The second part doesn't really make sense in my situation.
Because it was 5 users on here and 2 had sent me private messages trying to continue. (Although they did have a nicer tone) If they were warned they would have completely stopped mentioning it to me.

You underestimate people's hard-headedness. Believe me, some people don't learn, no matter how often they are warned. Fortunately, such posters don't last long.

You can report PMs too. Especially is someone is harassing you after you have told them to stop.

 

[James Is Back]

The first part makes sense.
The second part doesn't really make sense in my situation.
Because it was 5 users on here and 2 had sent me private messages trying to continue. (Although they did have a nicer tone) If they were warned they would have completely stopped mentioning it to me.

Not necessarily. There is no guarantee even if one is warned that they'll stop. You can spank a child but it's not a guarantee that they'll behave later.

 

[Thekla]

I don't post much in GT so I don't give the appearance of bias when I work reports. Actually, I can't vote in or work a report from a thread I've participated in.

I have never seen a post claiming orthodox Christianity is a psychological condition. Please report such posts or PM me a link.

Not a psychological condition, but that our (in short) theology re: icons is pathological (a psychiatric term).


Having been in GT for years, it's not surprising. We've been described as idolaters before - the response was (advice from staff) that we can "defend the position/rebut in the thread".

Which is fine. But it seems in the thread Seashale is discussing, that her charge was one that couldn't be rebutted by the other poster ? Or that solution was not recommended to the reporting poster by staff ...

 

[pdudgeon]

The first part makes sense.
The second part doesn't really make sense in my situation.
Because it was 5 users on here and 2 had sent me private messages trying to continue. (Although they did have a nicer tone) If they were warned they would have completely stopped mentioning it to me.

if the other posters were warned, then their post would have either been edited by staff to remove the violation, or the entire post itself would have been removed, or the post would be moved to an appropriate forum in the case of off topic posts.

on the other hand, if nothing was done to the post within 2 weeks of it's being reported (in most cases--holiday times might take a bit longer to work a report to it's conclusion) then staff might not have viewed the post as a violation.
in that case you could always send a Pm to an area Supervisor to inquire. They are not allowed to tell you what conclusion was reached, but they can tell you if a report is still being worked or whether it is finished.

 

[James Is Back]

Not a psychological condition, but that our (in short) theology re: icons is pathological (a psychiatric term).


Having been in GT for years, it's not surprising. We've been described as idolaters before - the response was (advice from staff) that we can "defend the position/rebut in the thread".

Which is fine. But it seems in the thread Seashale is discussing, that her charge was one that couldn't be rebutted by the other poster ? Or that solution was not recommended to the reporting poster by staff ...

Well I'm sure Protestants have been accused by iconoclasts for being idolaters also for wearing crosses,having pictures of Jesus or pictures/carvings/statues of earthly and heavenly things so the EO and the RCC aren't the only groups that have been accused of that. Now is that prevalent here at CF and in cases GT I don't know but I'm sure it happens outside of the forums so both sides of the coin gets scratched.

Which is why regardless if you disagree with others beliefs we should be respectful and loving towards that person or that group and not spew venomous hatred towards that person or even a whole denom.

Not saying anyone here is doing such a thing but I've seen it happen elsewhere.