An attempt to eliminate God.

[VictorC]

I had a discussion once with a man who was very passionate about God concerning this very thing. I asked him if he knew that they were other "Sabbath days" besides the weekly Sabbath, he said no.
The Sabbath days here mentioned has nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath.

Others have the right to know that you argue against the plural Sabbaths conveyed by the Mosaic covenant in an effort to divorce yourself from the annual Sabbaths that are equally binding as the weekly. Colossians 2:16 addresses the Sabbaths in the plural, excluding none of them.

Review how you have rejected the Law.
This is from December 05 2014:

Let me pot some things in perspective for you.

It was and is God's Sabbath as your quote clearly states.

Review that passage again from Exodus 31 once again:

Exodus 31
12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”​

You had highlighted v.13 above to draw attention to "My Sabbaths". I repeated your highlight to make it easier for you to see.
It doesn't refer to God's "Sabbath".
It calls attention to God's Sabbaths in the plural.
That means all of the Sabbaths ordained by God in the Mosaic covenant, and not just the weekly cycle.

For some reason you seem to think that drawing attention to God's claim of ownership of the Sabbath He ordained scores you something in an argument. I have no idea what your point is.
Did you think anyone here believes Daffy Duck ordained the Sabbath?
No.
God did, the same God called on by the pronoun "He" in Hebrews 10:9 that states "He takes away the first that He may establish the second". The right of ownership God retains as Creator is the same right He exercises when He took away the first covenant - which includes the Sabbath by ending ordinances demanding burnt offerings God has no pleasure in (review the context).

As God's children were are called to keep His Sabbath. That is why the Jews were asked or commanded to keep it and why we are also required to keep it. It is not the Jews' Sabbath!

I don't know if I should call this fabrication bold or pathetic. Did you miss what I pointed out in the post you responded to, and quoted?

I have made the repeated effort to show you how the Gospel changes God's redeemed from being accounted as children of human lineage: as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name (John 1:12).

There is no Biblical support for your claim that God's adopted children are "called to keep it (the Sabbath)" nor "we are also required to keep it". These are complete fabrications you made up on your own with help from Ellen White. It is completely unBiblical nonsense that is contrary to the Law quoted above for you.

Only the Jews (descendants of Abraham) were to be circumcised. It is the Sabbath that were to be kept by Strangers

Nope!
Circumcision was imported into the Mosaic covenant when God conveyed it through Moses in Leviticus 12:1-3.
And that stranger had to be circumcised to keep the annual Sabbath of the Passover, as Exodus 12:48 clearly demands. And v.49 reminds us "One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you".
Remember that it was you who drew attention to the demand God placed on the children of Israel to keep "My Sabbaths" in the plural.
How short your memory is.
How ignorant of the Law you are.
That's what it takes to promote the Adventist song and dance around Scripture.

 

[Steeno7]

It is by recieving Jesus Christ that we are enabled to keep the Ten commandments.

Christ alone is able. If the purpose of Jesus coming into the world was to make us better rule keepers, then He should have spent all of His time recruiting folks who already had a rule keeping mentality...the Pharisees.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Christ alone is able. If the purpose of Jesus coming into the world was to make us better rule keepers, then He should have spent all of His time recruiting folks who already had a rule keeping mentality...the Pharisees.

The Pharisees would be proud of some circles these days.

 

[maco]

The Pharisees would be proud of some circles these days.

Here is what Jesus tells you to do regarding what the Pharisees teach.

Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.

You do still follow Jesus' teachings I hope?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Here is what Jesus tells you to do regarding what the Pharisees teach.

Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.

You do still follow Jesus' teachings I hope?

Define the Law of Moses for us please... so far I only see that you "think" it only has about 13 commandments which I don't see that few as what Jews during that time would have been teaching.

 

[Steeno7]

Here is what Jesus tells you to do regarding what the Pharisees teach.

Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.

You do still follow Jesus' teachings I hope?

That's just really, really sad. For you, it's as if the cross never even happened.

 

[Sophrosyne]

That's just really, really sad. For you, it's as if the cross never even happened.

You are getting pretty close to summing up SDA theology here. From what I have seen the cross is like having a second parachute to them just in case their "law keeping" parachute fails to open for them on occasion. They put their works ahead of the cross in it all making God's deeds of keeping the Law second to their own lawkeeping deeds.

 

[listed]

Here is what Jesus tells you to do regarding what the Pharisees teach.

Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.

You do still follow Jesus' teachings I hope?

Poor soul, you must be doing what the religious leaders tell you.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Here is what Jesus tells you to do regarding what the Pharisees teach.
Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.
You do still follow Jesus' teachings I hope?

Considering He had not yet fulfilled the Law with His blood yet, that was probably good advice. God also didn't command Peter to eat that which was previously unclean at this point.

 

[maco]

Considering He had not yet fulfilled the Law with His blood yet, that was probably good advice. God also didn't command Peter to eat that which was previously unclean at this point.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

 

[maco]

That's just really, really sad. For you, it's as if the cross never even happened.

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

 

[Steeno7]

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

pluck, pluck, pluck.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Since this, once again, is prior to not only Paul's teachings about all days being equal and Peter being told by God to break the Mosaic Law, Christ had not yet risen and conquered death.

So live like Christ never rose if you'd like.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Good thing the Law isn't a list of sins for gentiles, as you wish it to be.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

You seriously need to read the whole chapter 10 of Hebrews as it exposes the exact opposite of what you are claiming. I won't bother explaining it to you as I know it will fall on deaf ears.

 

[listed]

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Why do you willfully and continually sin if this is the case? You will sing I promise. You have received the truth here from several and refuse it.

 

[listed]

Good thing the Law isn't a list of sins for gentiles, as you wish it to be.

 

[maco]

Good thing the Law isn't a list of sins for gentiles, as you wish it to be.

Romans 2:13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

True, but only if you wish to be justified by the works of the law vice grace. That is the major point of Romans, that we have grace now.

Are you advocating that men are justified by works of the law and not by grace?

 

[CryOfALion]

In my studies it has dawn on me that the attempt to have God's Holy Ten commandment law abolished is an attempt to abolish God.
I see that on so many levels.

1. Removal of God laws is the removal of His government. How can one rule with out Law? Which ruler does that?
2. To take down God's law one would have to take down God, the law giver!
3. New rules new ruler.
4. God's law is under His throne/mercy seat, to get to His law one would definitely have to move Him. That amounts to dethroning God!

We do not understand the extent of our advocating the abolition of the Ten commandments. Even the first 4 directly refer to God. When we remove these where is God? Where is His sovereignty/worship and dignity as God?
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

[Blind]



First four (spiritual number) are in fact directly related to Him, the last six (number of man) deals with morality, as it were.

Christ's "two commands" are the same way. The first (love God with all of your might, soul etc.) are the first four. The second (love your neighbor as you love yourself) is the last six.

And, that is a simplification of His Law; He goes into further detail on what He expects throughout His word.