Should there be a day set aside for worship?

[VictorC]

I answered that question previously and the answer was yes.

Reviewing the Memory Hole with a massive vacuum cleaner reveals that you never answered my question in past posts, and there is no "yes" response to be found. Meanwhile, that same Memory Hole showed something else of interest...

God's Sabbath!

Nope. Not even close.
You didn't address recent posts.

• Post 253 from Sophrosyne opined that you don't have the Sabbath.
• Post 265 from me proved that you don't have the Sabbath.

The truncated Adventist rendition of the Sabbath doesn't exist anywhere in Scripture. When pressed to document the unholy "sabbath" you follow, devoid of the prohibition to work on Saturday or burn a fire in your dwelling, missing the provision of burnt offerings of two lambs necessary for the Sabbath and lacking the Levitical priesthood exclusively authorized by the Law to perform those offerings, we find nothing from you at all (other than diversion). You don't keep the Sabbath, you never have, and God didn't give you the Sabbath in the first place.

You don't read our posts. You merely helped document another two posts that you chose to ignore.

 

[Cribstyl]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Love can not be commanded it is a choice!
We choose to Love or not.
​

Tell that to Jesus, He commanded love. Jhn 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


SDA have to confuse facts so they can say that Christ's commandments are the ten and not what He taught and commanded His disciples while He walked on earth.1Jo 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

It's only fair if I repost this until you respond directly.

 

[Elder 111]

Review your own signature line, quoting Isaiah 8:20.
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The lurker can review the Law's testimony for themselves (since you don't respond to posts), and see that you're bearing false witness.

Exodus 31
12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”​

Only the stranger who entered into the borders of Israel, was circumcised, and took a hold of the Mosaic covenant with the children of Israel could also keep the Sabbath. That's the basic tenet of Judaism. This isn't a Judaic discussion forum, in case you haven't noticed that.

Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist. I have made the repeated effort to show you how the Gospel changes God's redeemed from being accounted as children of human lineage: as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name (John 1:12).
Adventism can't be reconciled with Scripture on either side of the cross. Your posts confirm this.

Let me pot some things in pesrpective for you.

1. It was and is God's Sabbath as your quote clearly states. As God's children were are called to keep His Sabbath. That is why the Jews were asked or commanded to keep it and why we are also required to keep it. It is not the Jews' Sabbath!
2. Only the Jews (descendants of Abraham) were to be circumcised. It is the Sabbath that were to be kept by Strangers

 

[Elder 111]

Review your own signature line, quoting Isaiah 8:20.
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The lurker can review the Law's testimony for themselves (since you don't respond to posts), and see that you're bearing false witness.

Exodus 31
12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”​

Only the stranger who entered into the borders of Israel, was circumcised, and took a hold of the Mosaic covenant with the children of Israel could also keep the Sabbath. That's the basic tenet of Judaism. This isn't a Judaic discussion forum, in case you haven't noticed that.

Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist. I have made the repeated effort to show you how the Gospel changes God's redeemed from being accounted as children of human lineage: as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name (John 1:12).
Adventism can't be reconciled with Scripture on either side of the cross. Your posts confirm this.

Let me pot some things in perspective for you.

1. It was and is God's Sabbath as your quote clearly states. As God's children were are called to keep His Sabbath. That is why the Jews were asked or commanded to keep it and why we are also required to keep it. It is not the Jews' Sabbath!
2. Only the Jews (descendants of Abraham) were to be circumcised. It is the Sabbath that were to be kept by Strangers

 

[Elder 111]

Reviewing the Memory Hole with a massive vacuum cleaner reveals that you never answered my question in past posts, and there is no "yes" response to be found. Meanwhile, that same Memory Hole showed something else of interest...

Nope. Not even close.
You didn't address recent posts.

• Post 253 from Sophrosyne opined that you don't have the Sabbath.
• Post 265 from me proved that you don't have the Sabbath.

The truncated Adventist rendition of the Sabbath doesn't exist anywhere in Scripture. When pressed to document the unholy "sabbath" you follow, devoid of the prohibition to work on Saturday or burn a fire in your dwelling, missing the provision of burnt offerings of two lambs necessary for the Sabbath and lacking the Levitical priesthood exclusively authorized by the Law to perform those offerings, we find nothing from you at all (other than diversion). You don't keep the Sabbath, you never have, and God didn't give you the Sabbath in the first place.

You don't read our posts. You merely helped document another two posts that you chose to ignore.

There is no need to reply to misrepresentations. What have been mentioned above is uncalled for. Jesus clearly demonstrated how the Sabbath should be kept and all the burden that you want to put on the Sabbath is not what God require of us and you know that.
The God I know healed on the Sabbath! The God I know would not have a man freeze to death on the Sabbath just because he would have to light a fire!
It is when we can do better and fail to do it is what God hates. To kindle a fire is not that a fire was not to be burning on The Sabbath but that one would not be out starting the fire when it could be burning long before the Sabbath. You don't go shopping on the Sabbath when they are 6 days to do so. You don't go looking for sticks for a fire and start it on the Sabbath when you had all week to do so.

 

[listed]

Let me pot some things in perspective for you.

1. It was and is God's Sabbath as your quote clearly states. As God's children were are called to keep His Sabbath. That is why the Jews were asked or commanded to keep it and why we are also required to keep it. It is not the Jews' Sabbath!
2. Only the Jews (descendants of Abraham) were to be circumcised. It is the Sabbath that were to be kept by Strangers

Israel are the only 1s called to keep His Sabbath as the law states. The only strangers that were to keep the Sabbath were in Israel or under an Israeli's control such as a servant. Are you either one?

 

[listed]

There is no need to reply to misrepresentations. What have been mentioned above is uncalled for. Jesus clearly demonstrated how the Sabbath should be kept and all the burden that you want to put on the Sabbath is not what God require of us and you know that.
The God I know healed on the Sabbath! The God I know would not have a man freeze to death on the Sabbath just because he would have to light a fire!
It is when we can do better and fail to do it is what God hates. To kindle a fire is not that a fire was not to be burning on The Sabbath but that one would not be out starting the fire when it could be burning long before the Sabbath. You don't go shopping on the Sabbath when they are 6 days to do so. You don't go looking for sticks for a fire and start it on the Sabbath when you had all week to do so.

What you posted supports the law was for a location.

 

[Sophrosyne]

What you posted supports the law was for a location.

Yes.... the location is Israel on the Map.... NOT the United States trying to keep the Sabbath about 7-8 hours off schedule.

 

[VictorC]

I will break my response into two posts, as there are disparate objects you presented.

I answered that question previously and the answer was yes.

There is no need to reply to misrepresentations.

Remember that these are both responses to the same question. The Memory Hole and your own second response both confirm your initial response to be a lie.

 

[VictorC]

The truncated Adventist rendition of the Sabbath doesn't exist anywhere in Scripture. When pressed to document the unholy "sabbath" you follow, devoid of the prohibition to work on Saturday or burn a fire in your dwelling, missing the provision of burnt offerings of two lambs necessary for the Sabbath and lacking the Levitical priesthood exclusively authorized by the Law to perform those offerings, we find nothing from you at all (other than diversion). You don't keep the Sabbath, you never have, and God didn't give you the Sabbath in the first place.

There is no need to reply to misrepresentations. What have been mentioned above is uncalled for. Jesus clearly demonstrated how the Sabbath should be kept and all the burden that you want to put on the Sabbath is not what God require of us and you know that.
The God I know healed on the Sabbath! The God I know would not have a man freeze to death on the Sabbath just because he would have to light a fire!
It is when we can do better and fail to do it is what God hates. To kindle a fire is not that a fire was not to be burning on The Sabbath but that one would not be out starting the fire when it could be burning long before the Sabbath. You don't go shopping on the Sabbath when they are 6 days to do so. You don't go looking for sticks for a fire and start it on the Sabbath when you had all week to do so.

Jesus didn't demonstrate any truncated form of unholy Sabbath "keeping" that is non-compliant with the Law. That's something you made up with a little help from Ellen White. In this post, you admit that you have no intention of keeping the Sabbath - and you never have, and the Sabbath wasn't given to you in the first place.

You might consider God's rest. It is inherently superior to the Sabbath, by virtue of it never ending and repeating in a cycle like the Sabbath did, and it doesn't call on our performance to enter into it - only our faith in our Redeemer.

 

[listed]

I will break my response into two posts, as there are disparate objects you presented.


Remember that these are both responses to the same question. The Memory Hole and your own second response both confirm your initial response to be a lie.

Interesting the way your post appears. I would say it shows the truth appearing Elder is testifying against himself.

 

[listed]

Jesus didn't demonstrate any truncated form of unholy Sabbath "keeping" that is non-compliant with the Law. That's something you made up with a little help from Ellen White. In this post, you admit that you have no intention of keeping the Sabbath - and you never have, and the Sabbath wasn't goven to you in the first place.

You might consider God's rest. It is inherently superior to the Sabbath, by virtue of it never ending and repeating in a cycle like the Sabbath did, and it doesn't call on our performance to enter into it - only our faith in our Redeemer.

Right on!!!!

 

[VictorC]

Let me pot some things in perspective for you.

It was and is God's Sabbath as your quote clearly states.

Review that passage again from Exodus 31 once again:

Exodus 31
12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”​

You had highlighted v.13 above to draw attention to "My Sabbaths". I repeated your highlight to make it easier for you to see.
It doesn't refer to God's "Sabbath".
It calls attention to God's Sabbaths in the plural.
That means all of the Sabbaths ordained by God in the Mosaic covenant, and not just the weekly cycle.

For some reason you seem to think that drawing attention to God's claim of ownership of the Sabbath He ordained scores you something in an argument. I have no idea what your point is.
Did you think anyone here believes Daffy Duck ordained the Sabbath?
No.
God did, the same God called on by the pronoun "He" in Hebrews 10:9 that states "He takes away the first that He may establish the second". The right of ownership God retains as Creator is the same right He exercises when He took away the first covenant - which includes the Sabbath by ending ordinances demanding burnt offerings God has no pleasure in (review the context).

As God's children were are called to keep His Sabbath. That is why the Jews were asked or commanded to keep it and why we are also required to keep it. It is not the Jews' Sabbath!

I don't know if I should call this fabrication bold or pathetic. Did you miss what I pointed out in the post you responded to, and quoted?

I have made the repeated effort to show you how the Gospel changes God's redeemed from being accounted as children of human lineage: as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name (John 1:12).

There is no Biblical support for your claim that God's adopted children are "called to keep it (the Sabbath)" nor "we are also required to keep it". These are complete fabrications you made up on your own with help from Ellen White. It is completely unBiblical nonsense that is contrary to the Law quoted above for you.

Only the Jews (descendants of Abraham) were to be circumcised. It is the Sabbath that were to be kept by Strangers

Nope!
Circumcision was imported into the Mosaic covenant when God conveyed it through Moses in Leviticus 12:1-3.
And that stranger had to be circumcised to keep the annual Sabbath of the Passover, as Exodus 12:48 clearly demands. And v.49 reminds us "One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you".
Remember that it was you who drew attention to the demand God placed on the children of Israel to keep "My Sabbaths" in the plural.
How short your memory is.
How ignorant of the Law you are.
That's what it takes to promote the Adventist song and dance around Scripture.

 

[VictorC]

Interesting the way your post appears. I would say it shows the truth appearing Elder is testifying against himself.

That is now a documented fact beyond dispute.

 

[Elder 111]

Jesus didn't demonstrate any truncated form of unholy Sabbath "keeping" that is non-compliant with the Law. That's something you made up with a little help from Ellen White. In this post, you admit that you have no intention of keeping the Sabbath - and you never have, and the Sabbath wasn't given to you in the first place.

You might consider God's rest. It is inherently superior to the Sabbath, by virtue of it never ending and repeating in a cycle like the Sabbath did, and it doesn't call on our performance to enter into it - only our faith in our Redeemer.

God calls for the weekly unending Sabbath. We will keep it for eternity, so I will go with God not you. Isa 66: 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

 

[bbbbbbb]

God calls for the weekly unending Sabbath. We will keep it for eternity, so I will go with God not you. Isa 66: 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Are there 24-hour days in heaven with a heavenly earth circling a sun and revolving every 24 hours? How long will a year last in heaven?

 

[Elder 111]

Review that passage again from Exodus 31 once again:

Exodus 31
12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”​

You had highlighted v.13 above to draw attention to "My Sabbaths". I repeated your highlight to make it easier for you to see.
It doesn't refer to God's "Sabbath".
It calls attention to God's Sabbaths in the plural.
That means all of the Sabbaths ordained by God in the Mosaic covenant, and not just the weekly cycle.

For some reason you seem to think that drawing attention to God's claim of ownership of the Sabbath He ordained scores you something in an argument. I have no idea what your point is.
Did you think anyone here believes Daffy Duck ordained the Sabbath?
No.
God did, the same God called on by the pronoun "He" in Hebrews 10:9 that states "He takes away the first that He may establish the second". The right of ownership God retains as Creator is the same right He exercises when He took away the first covenant - which includes the Sabbath by ending ordinances demanding burnt offerings God has no pleasure in (review the context).

God did not have pleasure in the Sabbath that He ordained blessed and Sanctified? Where do you get that Idea. Not from God! Furthermore God clearly did not did not speak to the removal of the law in Hebrews. Far from it, He clearly, absolutely said that it is written on our hearts. The Sabbath is in there.

Originally Posted by Elder 111

As God's children were are called to keep His Sabbath. That is why the Jews were asked or commanded to keep it and why we are also required to keep it. It is not the Jews' Sabbath!
​

I don't know if I should call this fabrication bold or pathetic. Did you miss what I pointed out in the post you responded to, and quoted?

Of Course! Did you notice that you are wrong!

There is no Biblical support for your claim that God's adopted children are "called to keep it (the Sabbath)" nor "we are also required to keep it". These are complete fabrications you made up on your own with help from Ellen White. It is completely unBiblical nonsense that is contrary to the Law quoted above for you.

Only because you deny it Isa 56:
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Not a Jew only.
Originally Posted by Elder 111

Only the Jews (descendants of Abraham) were to be circumcised. It is the Sabbath that were to be kept by Strangers
​

Nope!

Circumcision was imported into the Mosaic covenant when God conveyed it through Moses in Leviticus 12:1-3.
And that stranger had to be circumcised to keep the annual Sabbath of the Passover, as Exodus 12:48 clearly demands. And v.49 reminds us "One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you".
Remember that it was you who drew attention to the demand God placed on the children of Israel to keep "My Sabbaths" in the plural.
How short your memory is.
How ignorant of the Law you are.
That's what it takes to promote the Adventist song and dance around Scripture.

Circumcision was given to Abraham and all his descendants were to do the same. To keep the weekly Sabbath had nothing to do with circumcision.

 

[Elder 111]

Are there 24-hour days in heaven with a heavenly earth circling a sun and revolving every 24 hours? How long will a year last in heaven?

All who keep the weekly Sabbath in Heaven will know. Don't you think?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Your argument is based on misconstrued legalism.

You further harm your cause by admitting a change of the law. Remember no jots or tittles can pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away according to your group.

i'd expect a comment like this from one who is a candidate for the "hard of reading group"!

 

[listed]

God calls for the weekly unending Sabbath. We will keep it for eternity, so I will go with God not you. Isa 66: 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

What exactly does this passage say about the Sabbath?