My time machine

[SkyWriting]

Science is fine in the present and in the realm of the physical only, but is absolutely unable to tell us what the past was like and what the future will be like.

Actually that is the one thing science does do is build theories
that make predictions about the future. As those theories are tested
and build a base of support, they gain incremental credibility with each
re-testing.

Some theories become the "laws" of nature, though they are often
found not to be universal in application.

Seeing into the future is the only thing science does.
And it only sees as far as the next observation.
Never into past events.

 

[Kylie]

Actually, time was peeled away for many in the bible, and God took them on a time trip. They saw the future. God created this universe with words...He spoke it into existence. Words are real things and the word of God is actually alive, not just dead words on paper.

There are oodles and oodles of words about the future in the bible, and by looking at these in a believing way, we are looking at the future.


Man is BOUND by time, God is NOT in any way whatsoever.

Once again, you must realise that a book can claim things without those things being true.

 

[JustMeSee]

Actually that is the one thing science does do is build theories
that make predictions about the future. As those theories are tested
and build a base of support, they gain incremental credibility with each
re-testing.

Some theories become the "laws" of nature, though they are often
found not to be universal in application.

Seeing into the future is the only thing science does.
And it only sees as far as the next observation.
Never into past events.

Never into past events?
Is this ignorance or wilful denial?
Many branches of science deal with past events.

 

[dad]

The reason for this is because Time isn't something that's real. Not that the science buffs agree with this. They don't. Nevertheless, time isn't a real thing.

No? It sure seems real to me. In what way do you make it unreal???

It seems real enough to us because we're mortal beings. But suppose we were immortal, didn't need food nor sleep, and we lived where it was always light, because that light was not made by a star. I'm describing Heaven what Heaven may be like and what we may live like as per Revelation.

Ah, so you are saying that one day, in the new heavens and earth the saved will not be bound by time as we are now. I agree.

 

[dad]

Actually that is the one thing science does do is build theories
that make predictions about the future. As those theories are tested
and build a base of support, they gain incremental credibility with each
re-testing.

Some theories become the "laws" of nature, though they are often
found not to be universal in application.

Seeing into the future is the only thing science does.
And it only sees as far as the next observation.
Never into past events.

OK. However, I listen to them quacking on about the death of the universe, and how the sun will sort of burn out, and etc. All hogwash false prophesy based on nothing! (except a belief that our laws will always be here and that there is no God).

Even the shorter term predictions like climate warming have a bad dose of 'godless samestateosis'!

 

[dad]

Once again, you must realise that a book can claim things without those things being true.

No. I realize God cannot lie, and that His words to man are not in the same category as other books.

 

[dad]

You are betrayed by your user title.

False. Being undeated is not pride, it is something that happens to be true. Greater is He that is in us that he that is in the world.

 

[[serious]]

False. Being undeated is not pride, it is something that happens to be true. Greater is He that is in us that he that is in the world.

Are you suggesting that pride only counts if it's about things that aren't true? Let's say I'm extremely boastful about all my accomplishments. All I talk about is how great I am at the things I'm good at. Every waking moment is just an ode to my own magnificence. Are you suggesting I could still claim humility simply by saying that all of my claims are factually accurate?

That's a weird view of humility.

 

[olderguy]

dad said:
Ah, so you are saying that one day, in the new heavens and earth the saved will not be bound by time as we are now. I agree.
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No not exactly. I'm saying that once we receive our glorified (immortal) bodies, and after God opens our minds so we understand all we were meant to understand in Eden, we will then fully grasp that time isn't real.
If we can then see other mortal Beings, perhaps on another world somewhere, we will see that to them time is very real. They will be as we once were.


Consider Genesis 1: 14. English Standard Version says: And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,


KJV says: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


Jubilee Bible 2000 says:
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for appointed times and for days and years;

What is God telling us here? God knew that as mortals we would need some way to measure the days and nights, the seasons, and the years. He left it to us to break it down even further. Today we measure milliseconds and even microseconds. Without this how would we conduct any kind of orderly lives? We couldn't. So God gave this illusion we call time, to make sense out of all we see, including how we age. This does not mean that some where in the endless cosmos is a place we call the past, or the future. One problem with that idea is that the NOW is only the now for a split second. It then becomes the past. I wrote this in the past. Does that mean that some where I am writing this as you read it? Worse still is if you respond to this, is there a place where I am reading what you haven't even written yet? If time was a real and true dimension, then all these things would have to be true. But problems quickly arise. Suppose I traveled to the past and convinced myself to never make this post? What then would happen to your now, where you are reading this? You can postulate the existence of an infinite number of realities, as some physicists do. With all due respect to their knowledge, what baffles me is how easily these extremely intelligent people will accept the existence of things that have no evidence to support them at all. But then these same brilliant people say that they can't even imagine the existence of God. However, I think we have ample evidence of God. I'm particularly impressed by how mathematically perfect many natural things are. Consider the patterns of leaves on a tree, or the tiny shape of a snowflake. Then there are the complex orbits of planets and their moons though space. It makes me wonder why these bodies aren't colliding together often. Everything in nature is too perfect to be a random design. And this is just the tip of the evidence for God's existence.

Uh Oh, I see I went off on a tangent. :o I hope you enjoyed it dad.

 

[Kylie]

No. I realize God cannot lie, and that His words to man are not in the same category as other books.

So assumption. You are speculating.

 

[Kylie]

False. Being undeated is not pride, it is something that happens to be true. Greater is He that is in us that he that is in the world.

The pigeon strutting around the chessboard knocking over the pieces believes it is undefeated too, but only because it is incapable of even playing the game.

 

[Davian]

False. Being undeated is not pride, it is something that happens to be true.

I remember it differently.

Dad, do you believe the Earth rotates on its axis and orbits the sun?

Yes. That is the way of the present.

Can you prove that to me? With all of your experience debating and discussing astronomy, you shouldn't even have to google it.

I do not see how the earth revolving around the sun needs 'proving'. So, have you really no point?

It's not a question of need. This sort of thing is done because it is fun, interesting, challenging. Would you like a more complex question? Does the Sun rotate on its axis and orbit within the Milky Way Galaxy?

But lets keep it simple, and one step at a time: Can you prove that the Earth rotates on its axis and orbits the Sun?
Yes or no?

You answer that one first....I'll check your work.

Speaking of simple, how many nostrils do you have? Do you snort? How often do you blow your nose? Is one booger of yours bigger than the whole universe at an early point in the big bang theory? Inquiring minds want to know....

Dad, defeated. Not a pretty sight.

It was just a simple yes or no question.

 

[Davian]

The pigeon strutting around the chessboard knocking over the pieces believes it is undefeated too, but only because it is incapable of even playing the game.

 

[dad]

Are you suggesting that pride only counts if it's about things that aren't true? Let's say I'm extremely boastful about all my accomplishments. All I talk about is how great I am at the things I'm good at. Every waking moment is just an ode to my own magnificence. Are you suggesting I could still claim humility simply by saying that all of my claims are factually accurate?

That's a weird view of humility.

Not sure what that has to do with God in believers being greater than Satan in the world, and how He promised that we would not be defeated.

 

[dad]

The pigeon strutting around the chessboard knocking over the pieces believes it is undefeated too, but only because it is incapable of even playing the game.

Not a great analogy.

 

[dad]

I remember it differently.

Not sure what your comprehension failed to grasp with the things you quoted me in the link. Apparently you thought some great effort was required to 'prove' the obvious and well known basic realities and facts of science, such as the revolving or rotating of earth. I do not happen to share that idea, but chose to accept science on that.


To claim you got some victory or that I suffered some defeat with that petty nonsense merely shows a disconnect from reality.

 

[CryOfALion]

Dad, I personally think anything is possible - including retrograde time travel.

But, you have to understand the ridicule you would receive on this forum for saying what you believe. Remember, this forum is the same that damns their own "brethren" as antichristian heretics for practicing the Sabbath, and wanting to follow all of God's law. You are talking about time travel - expect a roasting.

 

[dad]

Dad, I personally think anything is possible - including retrograde time travel.

But, you have to understand the ridicule you would receive on this forum for saying what you believe. Remember, this forum is the same that damns their own "brethren" as antichristian heretics for practicing the Sabbath, and wanting to follow all of God's law. You are talking about time travel - expect a roasting.

Well, the only way I can peek through time forward or backward is by God's word. I doubt God would let wicked man time travel in any real way, so I doubt it is possible. Not here in this temporary world.

 

[Kylie]

Not a great analogy.

How so?

Both of you are trying to use things that you don't understand, and as a result of not understanding, you can't get them to do what you want them to and you end up making a mess.

 

[CryOfALion]

Well, the only way I can peek through time forward or backward is by God's word. I doubt God would let wicked man time travel in any real way, so I doubt it is possible. Not here in this temporary world.

God is... interesting.

If He allowed a heralded angel with incredible wisdom and power to tempt us out of perfection and dominion, it is very possible He would allow evil to time travel in spite of Him. That, plus the Russian, American, Chinese and German military have the technology to go back and forth in time.

God's word allows you to do exploits without a price. Magick, and the manipulation of nature always comes with a price. Unfortunately people don't realize this until their self-forged demise.