Thoughts ...

[x141]

Meat is not mysticism. Im convinced of this. Meat is not in saying or knowing we are united as one, but meat is the knowledge that we must strive to be one, to be like minded, and eating this meat should produce the act of striving to be united in one mind. To be of one mind is the meat. It seems like its not an easy task, yet this is where the knowledge of love/charity comes in. This is where simplicity is most valuable.

The scenario with Jesus with the woman at the well is an example of the eating of meat.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Answer me ... why if Paul said they have the mind of Christ could he not speak to them as he wanted to?

Answer me ... If you have the mind of Christ why is it that you think people still struggle to be like minded?

Show me ... where it is that Jesus said we should follow Paul, Peter, James or John?

Tell me ... what is it that Jesus said I should do?

You actually seem to be contradicting Paul and then you seem to justify it. Surely you should rethink your theology. Paul urges us to follow him and his example, and his teaching, and meditate on the same.


1 Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

The Lord doesn't want each person to go their own way, He wants us to all follow His commands. Its that simple, there is nothing mystical about that. Mystics often try to change the lords command. It reminds me of a certain homosexual bishop who said that we have new revelation today, and that we know things that Paul didnt know. This man didn't follow sound doctrine, he actively promoted homosexual marriage in the Church. Following the Lord is about faith in His written commands. The apostles were sent to teach us, and this includes Paul. Paul teaches us to not mind high things but to associate with the humble. The servant is the greatest in the kingdom, not the scholar. And no scholar, teacher or bishop should ever contradict the words of any NT apostle.

 

[x141]

You actually seem to be contradicting Paul and then you seem to justify it. Surely you should rethink your theology. Paul urges us to follow him and his example, and his teaching, and meditate on the same.


1 Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.

Can you answer my questions? Remember in this verse he was talking to carnal christians, who were earthly minded, even though they had the mind of christ, which is the back drop for the entire letter.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

When we get to heaven after we leave this world, this is when we will actually know God in fullness. To know Him here and now is to follow His commands, and he teaches us to endure suffering, to rejoice in hope, to humble ourselves and walk in meekness, to be like minded in those things, to care for each other, be tenderhearted and merciful, always praying and giving thanks, and to love. These things are what pleases Him. Once we start walking in those things we dont need to worry about mysteries because God is on our side, His mystery will be revealed when we see Him face to face. What is all this mystical stuff? It seems like it only gets away from those things which he wants us to walk in.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Can you answer my questions? Remember in this verse he was talking to carnal christians, who were earthly minded, even though they had the mind of christ, which is the back drop for the entire letter.

Yes, but i think you are taking this too far. You are missing his point, you seem to be confused and spreading more confusion. I said that we should strive to be like minded as paul urges us on more than one occasion. And how did you answer? You asked my why i think people are still striving to be like minded? What is that? Are you suggesting that we are now all like minded and need not strive for it any longer? IF so i would suggest that you are wrong.

 

[x141]

When we get to heaven after we leave this world, this is when we will actually know God in fullness. To know Him here and now is to follow His commands, and he teaches us to endure suffering, to rejoice in hope, to humble ourselves and walk in meekness, to be like minded in those things, to care for each other, be tenderhearted and merciful, always praying and giving thanks, and to love. These things are what pleases Him. Once we start walking in those things we dont need to worry about mysteries because God is on our side, His mystery will be revealed when we see Him face to face. What is all this mystical stuff? It seems like it only gets away from those things which he wants us to walk in.

It comes out of walking with God, and an eye that is single on this, which Jsus gave the perquisites for.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Do you know what i think edifies people? Things like exhortation to pray always, to endure hardship when it comes, to be humble and meek, tenderhearted and full of compassion. To wait on God when our strength fails. To rejoice always. ANd also to flee from worldliness and to avoid debate, to avoid carnality and denominational thinking. These are the things which the apostles talk about and these things seem edifying.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

It comes out of walking with God, and an eye that is single on this, which Jsus gave the perquisites for.

The apostles walked with God and they did not sound like that. They were not mystics but instead instructors and laborers. They taught practical things most of the time. Any mystery which they spoke was not complete, im not sure it will be complete until we see God face to face after we leave this world.

 

[x141]

Yes, but i think you are taking this too far. You are missing his point, you seem to be confused and spreading more confusion. I said that we should strive to be like minded as paul urges us on more than one occasion. And how did you answer? You asked my why i think people are still striving to be like minded? What is that? Are you suggesting that we are now all like minded and need not strive for it any longer? IF so i would suggest that you are wrong.

Jesus said hate even your own life and I am taking it to far? Or sell all that you have and pick up your cross and follow me ... did Jesus actually expect this young man to do this ...this is what he expected out of anyone who would follow him.

I ask the question again because you did not answer it the first time, so if you can please do.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Jesus said hate even your own life and I am taking it to far? Or sell all that you have and pick up your cross and follow me ... did Jesus actually expect this young man to do this ...this is what he expected out of anyone who would follow him.

I ask the question again because you did not answer it the first time, so if you can please do.

I answered one of your questions. You dont answer questions yourself, i have asked many questions but all i ever get is questions instead of answers. The bottom line is this- you dont sound like the apostles so i don't think you are at their level of understanding. I think you most likely mean well, but you are just like the rest of us who struggle to understand. Its like brinny said- love=sanity. I would add to that and say that simplicity=sanity as well. I think you have a lot of bible knowledge but i also think much of it is rooted in confusion. Where did you learn this stuff? Did it come to you by itself or did you study theology? Wherever you got it i would suggest that you forget it and start over. Anyone who has anything good to teach will be teaching love, prayer, perseverance, and things like that. In my opinion. These are what people need to hear in this crazy world.

 

[x141]

Do you know what i think edifies people? Things like exhortation to pray always, to endure hardship when it comes, to be humble and meek, tenderhearted and full of compassion. To wait on God when our strength fails. To rejoice always. ANd also to flee from worldliness and to avoid debate, to avoid carnality and denominational thinking. These are the things which the apostles talk about and these things seem edifying.

If I trust in anything of myself it is that I can do nothing of myself (which trust I have had for 35 years now) which is what Jesus trusted in as well, that God was in him, that he did the work. Meditation, or praying always is a life style to me. It is a place I remain in.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

If I trust in anything of myself it is that I can do nothing of myself (which trust I have had for 35 years now) which is what Jesus trusted in as well, that God was in him, that he did the work. Meditation, or praying always is a life style to me. It is a place I remain in.

Well, i wish us both success in those things.

 

[x141]

I start over everyday, everyday is new to me.

I don't compare myself with others and don't believe anyone should compare themselves to me, all such comparisons are vanity of mind.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

I start over everyday, everyday is new to me.

I don't compare myself with others and don't believe anyone should compare themselves to me, all such comparisons are vanity of mind.

I agree. Amen.

 

[x141]

We must come to the end of who we are not, to begin to understand who we are, said another way, to understand who we are we must first understand who we are not.

 

[x141]

the true God is not guilty for the sin, because He and the "darkness" are two totally distinct things, and He has nothing to do with it, neither He created the "darkness", nor it had anything to do with His emergence, neither He pampers it, nor the "darkness" serves Him, however, He can limit it and head off its plans/intentions

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create(i.e. and limit the) darkness: I make peace, and create(i.e. and head off the plans/intentions of the) evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Blessings

Without God nothing is, or nothing will be.

Sin is a term relative to man and his perception, which for all tense and purposes is what caused the seed to be cast to the ground in the beginning and as well as the end of this beginning.

 

[x141]

Few find the truth, fewer yet still enter into it, and fewer yet still are they that enter in and remain, though it was never of gain from the beginning.

 

[toLiJC]

Without God nothing is, or nothing will be.

Sin is a term relative to man and his perception, which for all tense and purposes is what caused the seed to be cast to the ground in the beginning and as well as the end of this beginning.

the sin is not just in the perception, but the spiritual iniquity is the (original) sin, namely the sin of every sinner that is shown in the Bible - from eve and adam to the sinners of book Revelation

Blessings

 

[Restoresmysoul]

I was thinking about the oil and the wine in Revelation 6. Does anyone have any thoughts about the identity of these things? I was struck with a notion that perhaps these are symbols for something other than actual oil and wine.