Thoughts ...

[toLiJC]

there is a peace that comes from the devil and there is a confusion that comes from God. I am playing the game of devils advocate today. because God also has opposed people to their faces when he felt the need.

so let me blindly follow the words and the doings of the bible and construct a false idol out of the gold that was meant to be for Gods holy temple and let me make a calf with it so that people can bow their knee to demons rather than to God.

there is no confusion coming from the true God, but He more or less was like hidden in the shadow of that centuries-long somnolence which He had to suffer from the seventh day up to now, and there was a need of more intimate(inner) intercommunication with Him, while to pamper the devil is not helpful (un)to abundant and everlasting life, but can even spoil the chance for something better, yet it is something else to wrestle with God and the humans against the devil, and to overcome, which is the meaning of the biblical word "israel"

Blessings

 

[x141]

unfortunately or not "in the form of a perception whose increase has no end" could very easily turn out to be more or less satanic, because the devil enticed the first humans, eve and adam, exactly in such a way, viz. by offering them to become people with clairvoyance, super consciousness and spiritual power at system level through occultism/esoterism, moreover the word "knowledge" almost can't be found in the biblical books of the New Testament, especially as something holy, because it is not about knowledge in the faith, but it is about righteousness, and the righteousness is just the perfection of the love

Blessings

Knowledge is a serpent when it becomes the light.

The soul deceived believes knowledge will make them more than what God has already done from the beginning. In thought we have need of nothing. All things that the Father has belongs to a son because he reveals this truth of who we are in him.

We do not labor by thought to be, we are, and everything flows out of this one truth that God is.

These things have nothing to do with less or more, which is an inheritance divided, and is the path of knowledge born out of vanities, which causes us to wander between two opinions but never come to the knowledge of the truth of who we are, though this was not out of order.

Nothing without judges us, unless we let it become a seed in our garden.

 

[toLiJC]

Knowledge is a serpent when it becomes the light.

The soul deceived believes knowledge will make them more than what God has already done from the beginning. In thought we have need of nothing. All things that the Father has belongs to a son because he reveals this truth of who we are in him.

We do not labor by thought to be, we are, and everything flows out of this one truth that God is.

These things have nothing to do with less or more, which is an inheritance divided, and is the path of knowledge born out of vanities, which causes us to wander between two opinions but never come to the knowledge of the truth of who we are, though this was not out of order.

Nothing without judges us, unless we let it become a seed in our garden.

i prefer there to be more love than knowledge, because the humankind till now suffered from lack of love, while the knowledge was in abundance

Blessings

 

[Noxot]

i agree that love = sanity.

it does.

now I changed it to 'love ≠ sanity' because it is also true in its proper place.

:S

 

[x141]

A mystics journey begins when they love God down to the forsaking of the last thought.

 

[x141]

i prefer there to be more love than knowledge, because the humankind till now suffered from lack of love, while the knowledge was in abundance

Blessings

It is by the serpent knowledge became to Cain that made him not his brothers keeper.

If God seemingly did not put disparity between the offerings, Cain would have never slew his brother in the field, which is in picture the same case if the law had not come by Moses, or if Jesus had not said, or they had not said they see; which all speaks to a truth being revealed in us as to who we are always of God been known to be.

 

[x141]

I wish everyone was simple but they are not and if the world does not get answer then they will keep on being the world. but Christians don't have answers and that is why some people don't take God seriously.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! NO ONE, NO ONE. should EVER, EVER. practice or get involved with mysticism if they are not 100% desiring God. because whoever does but does not have their heart set fully on God, the devil is going to take you and he is going to make you into such an enemy of God.

the Christians with their very primitive and simplistic belief systems, even though they themselves fuel the deaths of those men who fall away from God due to them seeking higher answers and not getting good enough answers and clinging to God with all they are... are still better off than those who have thought themselves to be involved in the mysteries of God and yet decided to mix the sickness of the evils of the world with the gifts that only the pure of heart can handle or deserve. it is a sad thing when a good angel helps a man out so much only to be slapped in the face, it could hurt the angel, who is to truly knows? angels can fall sometimes...

i hope God can drag those poor men out of their pits quickly but I don't see how they will ever be healed because they are SO prideful in their knowledge and understanding and they can not understand just how much they oppose God with the good that they try to do by warning all religious simpletons with their fancy "logical" and "correct" arguments that only work for those who think mankind is smarter than God and who do not truly believe in God so much as they believe men are right when they tell all the different things they found out about biology, about the universe, about the psyches of men... and they only knew the good things in those things because God had blessed them and yet day after day they reject God because they do not seek God with all that they are.

any christian or seeker of truth or of God should NEVER involve themselves with a false and shallow esoteric mysticism or false theosophy mixed with the common worldly belief systems of the status quo of the world of which most humans, including Christians are trapped in chains by various evil spirits. because so-called logical knowledge and scientific proofs based on the basic assumptions of what the world is and how it is and what man is and what his purpose is is not at all based in the love for God or for people but rather is is based in the devils heart and a numbness of love in the world.

and so it is very very important that we cling to God with all we are in this time when more than ever the antichrist spirit is persecuting all those who would dare seek the depths of mystery that are the treasures in heaven that God gives to us in order to preserve ourselves while we dwell in this foreign place called the 'old world'.

so it is very important that little children do not fight in wars and remain simple and grow up on the strength of the church that is in spirit and in truth and in the spirit of the trinity and of true 'sobernost'. and so the little children, to be persevered, since they do not have the strength to stand on their own two feet to walk with God in conversation in heaven in the dark cloud in the daylight of the evil world. the "daylight" which is truly darkness since it is only the light of the world. and the dark cloud is truly the light just as the worlds night is when God appears as a cloud of fire for his people. for the wisdom of man is foolishness to God and the weakness of Gods is far greater than the strength of mens knowledge.

most of all we should all desire nothing that comes from the very reality we believe to be real but to rather turn to God and discover, by Gods grace, the true reality of living in the spirit who will even work with our souls and feelings and opinions as long as you want the good even if you are not perfect at all times but he will end up "chastising" those who do not do perfectly while the little brothers help the seeming greater ones heart to fully heal just as the so-called older brother wants all his other brothers to be healed.

and so in general you can see I can become distressed at a lot of things and only God or people with God or people seeking spiritual things give me relief.

Just so I could read it again ...

 

[x141]

there is no confusion coming from the true God, but He more or less was like hidden in the shadow of that centuries-long somnolence which He had to suffer from the seventh day up to now, and there was a need of more intimate(inner) intercommunication with Him, while to pamper the devil is not helpful (un)to abundant and everlasting life, but can even spoil the chance for something better, yet it is something else to wrestle with God and the humans against the devil, and to overcome, which is the meaning of the biblical word "israel"

Blessings

Dan 9:8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

 

[Noxot]

the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the divine idea of creation and nothingness. it is a sphere of reality that we fell into and fell asleep in. it's a divine dream, a divine fable.

Isa 55:6-11 (YLT)
Seek ye Jehovah, while He is found, Call ye Him, while He is near, Forsake doth the wicked his way, And the man of iniquity his thoughts, And he returneth to Jehovah, and He pitieth him, And unto our God for He multiplieth to pardon. For not My thoughts are your thoughts, Nor your ways My ways, --an affirmation of Jehovah, For high have the heavens been above the earth, So high have been My ways above your ways, And My thoughts above your thoughts. For, as come down doth the shower, And the snow from the heavens, And thither returneth not, But hath watered the earth, And hath caused it to yield, and to spring up, And hath given seed to the sower, and bread to the eater, So is My word that goeth out of My mouth, It turneth not back unto Me empty, But hath done that which I desired, And prosperously effected that for which I sent it.
Isa 59:12-16 (YLT)
For our transgressions have been multiplied before Thee, And our sins have testified against us, For our transgressions are with us, And our iniquities--we have known them. Transgressing, and lying against Jehovah, And removing from after our God, Speaking oppression and apostasy, Conceiving and uttering from the heart Words of falsehood. And removed backward is judgment, And righteousness afar off standeth, For truth hath been feeble in the street, And straightforwardness is not able to enter, And the truth is lacking, And whoso is turning aside from evil, Is making himself a spoil. And Jehovah seeth, and it is evil in His eyes, That there is no judgment. And He seeth that there is no man, And is astonished that there is no intercessor, And His own arm giveth salvation to Him, And His righteousness--it sustained Him.

I can't explain what only God can explain but he can make anyone see what he means. I could try to explain what God let me see but it would be hard since he constructed my soul to connect to all the different points to make me see the way I see it and since he triggers off in my brain different things since he is the one who orders my memory and other parts of my mind when he teaches me something for my comfort. but today he has been organizing reality in such a way as to affirm himself to me with various things all fashioned and ordered by him and the various beings that serve him in joy all work together in one accord to do good to the world. especially in praying to him, though I be a sick person, sometimes he will bless and react to the prayers to him if they are really seeking him.

I hate to even say since I am me... but God does deserve credit for the things he can and does do for all of us and each of us uniquely. I wish people could see what God showed me and I wish people could see the real me who asked God and in what manner of spirit I was when I prayed to him because I am to the point where saints and devils torture me in some sense because I have higher hopes and a more open faith and better belief structures ( though they are nothing but a starting point of what God has reserved for all of us ). there are many different aspects of hope and faith and love and each of us grows in this and that part of it and develops how God pleases to give to us the good of the land, each of us uniquely since each soul is important to God.

anyways... whether I am deceived or if I am not, I am fine either way because my desire can't be greater than Gods and if his desire is not for me then I don't really care what happens to me or where I go because I am jealous and whether it is right or wrong does not matter to me right now, unless I was to do evil to all of you which i do not want to do though I suffer with various burdens that is a shared burden of being born as a human being and suffering from corruption to whatever degree, whether it got me or not as it gets some, it still bothers others when it does not get them as Jesus even confessed. if I could remove from myself the feelings in my heart that I do not believe are right towards others and towards God and myself then I would but I guess God lets me see all the evils that happen when something less than him is the outcome ( which is nothing but hell compared to even what i can vaguely imagine could be considered the highest of heavens ) and so for the past saints that are so scared for God to fill their speculations and imagination and desires, they loved God in their own way and God loved them but if I can not love God then my only joy is being destroyed by myself. and so the way I go is one way because for me it had always came down to "God either loves me or he does not".

because I do have a relationship with God whether I am a devil or not and whether I have an evil insanity or not I could only try to love God according to what I am or currently am but my full perception of God is not something I can express because my full perception of God is not bound to time or to this universe and yet I have to exist as a little creature with a limited soul in a limited system with a crude body that is within different natural laws and so the illusion of my little perception as a human being is soaked in Gods own perceptions and yet I have a capacity and am limited though God pours himself out to me since i want to forsake myself even though i'm not perfect. and thankfully God has constructed better realities for this little creature to dwell in since it would be a bad thing if I had to forever dwell in a tent.



i'm happy for the general innocence of people that is displayed towards me when I fall short in whatever manner because I think that God would also treat me in such a way and so i'm happy to see that God helps his children.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Isa 55:6-11 is quite simple. Its not some mystical journey into mysticism, but its just the practice of reading and meditating on the truth found in scripture. Its quite simple and there is no need to complicate its meaning, because to do so actually strays from the command found in Isa 55:6-11. Straying into excessive mysticism is the same as forsaking Gods thoughts and instead meditating on our own, which leads farther away from the thoughts of God.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Im sorry but i must say this. I think you guys are missing the way. God wants us to humble ourselves and to pray with thanksgiving. And he wants us to love each other. He doesnt want us to babble about mysticism. Love is our way. Lets follow love for each other and lets speak things which edify. Lets not try to sound like we are above others in our understanding, but instead lets lower ourselves and walk in love. This is the way, in my opinion.

 

[x141]

the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the divine idea of creation and nothingness. it is a sphere of reality that we fell into and fell asleep in. it's a divine dream, a divine fable.

Isa 55:6-11 (YLT)
Seek ye Jehovah, while He is found, Call ye Him, while He is near, Forsake doth the wicked his way, And the man of iniquity his thoughts, And he returneth to Jehovah, and He pitieth him, And unto our God for He multiplieth to pardon. For not My thoughts are your thoughts, Nor your ways My ways, --an affirmation of Jehovah, For high have the heavens been above the earth, So high have been My ways above your ways, And My thoughts above your thoughts. For, as come down doth the shower, And the snow from the heavens, And thither returneth not, But hath watered the earth, And hath caused it to yield, and to spring up, And hath given seed to the sower, and bread to the eater, So is My word that goeth out of My mouth, It turneth not back unto Me empty, But hath done that which I desired, And prosperously effected that for which I sent it.
Isa 59:12-16 (YLT)
For our transgressions have been multiplied before Thee, And our sins have testified against us, For our transgressions are with us, And our iniquities--we have known them. Transgressing, and lying against Jehovah, And removing from after our God, Speaking oppression and apostasy, Conceiving and uttering from the heart Words of falsehood. And removed backward is judgment, And righteousness afar off standeth, For truth hath been feeble in the street, And straightforwardness is not able to enter, And the truth is lacking, And whoso is turning aside from evil, Is making himself a spoil. And Jehovah seeth, and it is evil in His eyes, That there is no judgment. And He seeth that there is no man, And is astonished that there is no intercessor, And His own arm giveth salvation to Him, And His righteousness--it sustained Him.

I can't explain what only God can explain but he can make anyone see what he means. I could try to explain what God let me see but it would be hard since he constructed my soul to connect to all the different points to make me see the way I see it and since he triggers off in my brain different things since he is the one who orders my memory and other parts of my mind when he teaches me something for my comfort. but today he has been organizing reality in such a way as to affirm himself to me with various things all fashioned and ordered by him and the various beings that serve him in joy all work together in one accord to do good to the world. especially in praying to him, though I be a sick person, sometimes he will bless and react to the prayers to him if they are really seeking him.

I hate to even say since I am me... but God does deserve credit for the things he can and does do for all of us and each of us uniquely. I wish people could see what God showed me and I wish people could see the real me who asked God and in what manner of spirit I was when I prayed to him because I am to the point where saints and devils torture me in some sense because I have higher hopes and a more open faith and better belief structures ( though they are nothing but a starting point of what God has reserved for all of us ). there are many different aspects of hope and faith and love and each of us grows in this and that part of it and develops how God pleases to give to us the good of the land, each of us uniquely since each soul is important to God.

anyways... whether I am deceived or if I am not, I am fine either way because my desire can't be greater than Gods and if his desire is not for me then I don't really care what happens to me or where I go because I am jealous and whether it is right or wrong does not matter to me right now, unless I was to do evil to all of you which i do not want to do though I suffer with various burdens that is a shared burden of being born as a human being and suffering from corruption to whatever degree, whether it got me or not as it gets some, it still bothers others when it does not get them as Jesus even confessed. if I could remove from myself the feelings in my heart that I do not believe are right towards others and towards God and myself then I would but I guess God lets me see all the evils that happen when something less than him is the outcome ( which is nothing but hell compared to even what i can vaguely imagine could be considered the highest of heavens ) and so for the past saints that are so scared for God to fill their speculations and imagination and desires, they loved God in their own way and God loved them but if I can not love God then my only joy is being destroyed by myself. and so the way I go is one way because for me it had always came down to "God either loves me or he does not".

because I do have a relationship with God whether I am a devil or not and whether I have an evil insanity or not I could only try to love God according to what I am or currently am but my full perception of God is not something I can express because my full perception of God is not bound to time or to this universe and yet I have to exist as a little creature with a limited soul in a limited system with a crude body that is within different natural laws and so the illusion of my little perception as a human being is soaked in Gods own perceptions and yet I have a capacity and am limited though God pours himself out to me since i want to forsake myself even though i'm not perfect. and thankfully God has constructed better realities for this little creature to dwell in since it would be a bad thing if I had to forever dwell in a tent.



i'm happy for the general innocence of people that is displayed towards me when I fall short in whatever manner because I think that God would also treat me in such a way and so i'm happy to see that God helps his children.

Totally identify (which I know you know) ...

Unless you have entered into the city, the essence of the truth you continually experience cannot be expressed in a way that reveals what the Father leads one into, it simply becomes a path to those without the truth (revealed), which is more akin to a bottomless pit (or babel (nevertheless, a needful one).

Some say thunder, some say angels ... it is interesting to note that Jesus said this voice didn't come for his sake, and even though it was for their sake's that it had come they still did not understand, but rather killed what they could not perceive, even though it was set out openly before them ...

 

[toLiJC]

Dan 9:8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

the true God is not guilty for the sin, because He and the "darkness" are two totally distinct things, and He has nothing to do with it, neither He created the "darkness", nor it had anything to do with His emergence, neither He pampers it, nor the "darkness" serves Him, however, He can limit it and head off its plans/intentions

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create(i.e. and limit the) darkness: I make peace, and create(i.e. and head off the plans/intentions of the) evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Blessings

 

[x141]

Im sorry but i must say this. I think you guys are missing the way. God wants us to humble ourselves and to pray with thanksgiving. And he wants us to love each other. He doesnt want us to babble about mysticism. Love is our way. Lets follow love for each other and lets speak things which edify. Lets not try to sound like we are above others in our understanding, but instead lets lower ourselves and walk in love. This is the way, in my opinion.

You imply a vanity where none exists.

 

[x141]

the true God is not guilty for the sin, because He and the "darkness" are two totally distinct things, and He has nothing to do with it, neither He created the "darkness", nor it had anything to do with His emergence, neither He pampers it, nor the "darkness" serves Him, however, He can limit it and head off its plans/intentions

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create(i.e. and limit the) darkness: I make peace, and create(i.e. and head off the plans/intentions of the) evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Blessings

I was speaking in reference to the process ...

 

[toLiJC]

the true God limits the "darkness" and foils the evil before it managed to hurt/in order to save the humans, and in the time before the New Testament the devil had an inner/domestic power (in the Heaven) whereby it was able to manifest as a part of God, even as a part of Jehovah, and to inculcate ordinances that are inimical/prejudicial to the humans in the God's covenant/testament, such as: "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", "stone the harlot to death", "curse the adulteress with bitter water at the priest", "every man can put away his wife for any reason by giving her a writing of divorcement", etc., but God the Father has by His Son Jesus Christ destroyed all the inner/domestic power of the devil in the day of the crucifixion on golgotha when He also has annulled all the imperfect/satanic part of the law

Matthew 5 "ye have heard/it hath been said..... but i say unto you.....",

John 12:31-32 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out(i.e. now the whole inner/domestic power of satan will permanently be destroyed). And I, if(i.e. and when) I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.",

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world(i.e. the wicked) cometh, and hath nothing in me.",

Matthew 27:50-56 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom(i.e. all inimical/pernicious ordinances of the God's covenant/testament has been annulled); and the earth did quake(i.e. the powers did shake), and the rocks rent(i.e. and the whole inner/domestic power of satan has permanently been removed/destroyed); And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.",

Colossians 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(i.e. annulling the human/satanic part of the ordinances in God's covenant/testament) that was against us(i.e. which was prejudicial to the people), which was contrary to us(i.e. which was adverse to us), and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers(i.e. having denounced the unrighteous spiritual/religious systems and powers), he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

Blessings

 

[Restoresmysoul]

You imply a vanity where none exists.

Perhaps. I ask many question but you don't seem able to answer them. You seem to contradict scripture often and when i ask you to explain those things you just ignore them.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

To waste thought on being mature is just as much a waste of time as worrying about being like minded is. We cannot add or take away from ourselves by this type of thought (this adds the plagues of the book to us).

YOu say its a waste of time to waste thought on being like minded. However Paul teaches us to follow His example and he urges us to be like minded, and also urges us to meditate on the things he teaches us. Are you not thinking and speaking contrary to Pauls doctrine? If so then what makes you think that you are correct? This is what i was referring to earlier when i said that Isaiah 55 is really exhorting us to conform to the commands of Christ which include those of HIs apostles, which includes Pauls command as well. However, you seem to just ignore Pauls words and instead value your own thoughts.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Meat is not mysticism. Im convinced of this. Meat is not in saying or knowing we are united as one, but meat is the knowledge that we must strive to be one, to be like minded, and eating this meat should produce the act of striving to be united in one mind. To be of one mind is the meat. It seems like its not an easy task, yet this is where the knowledge of love/charity comes in. This is where simplicity is most valuable.

 

[x141]

YOu say its a waste of time to waste thought on being like minded. However Paul teaches us to follow His example and he urges us to be like minded, and also urges us to meditate on the things he teaches us. Are you not thinking and speaking contrary to Pauls doctrine? If so then what makes you think that you are correct? This is what i was referring to earlier when i said that Isaiah 55 is really exhorting us to conform to the commands of Christ which include those of HIs apostles, which includes Pauls command as well. However, you seem to just ignore Pauls words and instead value your own thoughts.

Answer me ... why if Paul said they have the mind of Christ could he not speak to them as he wanted to?

Answer me ... If you have the mind of Christ why is it that you think people still struggle to be like minded?

Show me ... where it is that Jesus said we should follow Paul, Peter, James or John?

Tell me ... what is it that Jesus said I should do?