Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament.

[Elder 111]

But that's not the issue.

John clearly referred to "God" in 1Jn 5:2,3, using the Greek word "Theos" or "Theon", always used in the NT as a placeholder for "YHVH", and always in reference to God the Father.

John was saying: "For this is the love of God the Father, that we keep God the Father's commandments: and God the Father's commandments are not grievous."

And, as I've said before, if the OC Law is voided, then there is no need for Jesus whatsoever. A self-contradiction.

 

[listed]

NO! you need to realize that the 10 C's are not the same as animal sacrifices or circumcision.

When did I ever say they were? You maintain part of the law has changed while saying not a jot nor tittle of the law can pass until the earth ceases to exist. You must be in a blender. There is not 1 single passage anywhere saying part of the law is done away with. There are plenty passages saying the law is a has been. We could start with the Gospels. Oh yeah I forget you do not accept parts of them either. Oh well <sigh>

 

[Elder 111]

Basically you are trying to get me to say yes go ahead and sin. Why do you continue to try and get me to say such foolishness? If I resist you insist I am keeping the law whether I like it or not. This is false. If an when I were to succumb I would then need more grace from God. That does not say go sin that grace may abound.

Maybe you should change your moniker to The Hammer. That is what you are doing. No I will not submit to your crap.

Then tell me, when the law says thou shall kill and you by the grace of God do not kill what are you doing? When you resist the woman that may want you to sleep with her what are you doing if not resisting the act of Adultery which God forbids? If the Holy Spirit in you does not tell you do not steal, what does He say?

 

[listed]

It is impossible for Grace to void the law. For Grace exist because of the law!
Romans 5:
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

I am not so sure you are not in Seattle.

 

[Elder 111]

What is the nature of Christ? Is it to follow the law or not sin? Yes I know that you will say if one follows the law they will not sin. Such a statement would be saying no 1 follows the law. The nature of Jesus does not mean 1 is or becomes a Jew obligated to the law to attain or maintain salvation.

Of course not! it means that the law is abolished and I have to not tell a lie even thought the commandments that says thou shall not lie does not apply to me!

 

[listed]

Then tell me, when the law says thou shall kill and you by the grace of God do not kill what are you doing? When you resist the woman that may want you to sleep with her what are you doing if not resisting the act of Adultery which God forbids? If the Holy Spirit in you does not tell you do not steal, what does He say?

You wish me to say I live by the law. Fat Chance. Fat Chance left town and said he was not coming back.

 

[listed]

Of course not! it means that the law is abolished and I have to not tell a lie even thought the commandments that says thou shall not lie does not apply to me!

Confusion reigns.

 

[Elder 111]

When did I ever say they were? You maintain part of the law has changed while saying not a jot nor tittle of the law can pass until the earth ceases to exist. You must be in a blender. There is not 1 single passage anywhere saying part of the law is done away with. There are plenty passages saying the law is a has been. We could start with the Gospels. Oh yeah I forget you do not accept parts of them either. Oh well <sigh>

The 10 C's ever will be for we also will be Judge according to them. Rev. 21: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I think you would murder and lies as offenses against the 10 C's.

 

[Elder 111]

You wish me to say I live by the law. Fat Chance. Fat Chance left town and said he was not coming back.

The Holy Spirit will never let you confess to keeping the law even after we know that by His power we do not lie or steal etc.

 

[listed]

The 10 C's ever will be for we also will be Judge according to them. Rev. 21: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I think you would murder and lies as offenses against the 10 C's.

No sir. I will be judged by the work of Jesus, Who said I have already passed the judgment and entered into eternal life (JN 5:24). The wicked will be judged by the law according to 1 Tim 1. All who will be judged by the law will be found guilty with no recourse.

 

[listed]

The Holy Spirit will never let you confess to keeping the law even after we know that by His power we do not lie or steal etc.

What you say? The Holy Spirit will allow me to confess anything I so wish to confess. I do choose to confess the truth about the Scripture and me. Sorry about you.

 

[Elder 111]

No sir. I will be judged by the work of Jesus, Who said I have already passed the judgment and entered into eternal life (JN 5:24). The wicked will be judged by the law according to 1 Tim 1. All who will be judged by the law will be found guilty with no recourse.

The same Jesus is the Judge and the standard of His Judgement is the law. John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
James 2:
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

 

[Elder 111]

What you say? The Holy Spirit will allow me to confess anything I so wish to confess. I do choose to confess the truth about the Scripture and me. Sorry about you.

If indeed you confess the truth of scripture why don't confess as scripture does?
Roman 7:Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Elder 111]

What you say? The Holy Spirit will allow me to confess anything I so wish to confess. I do choose to confess the truth about the Scripture and me. Sorry about you.

Why don't you confess that there is a temple in heaven like the one God asked Moses to build? That in that temple is the 10 C's as was in the earthly.
Rev. 11:17 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev 14:19 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Hebrews confirms that the earthly was a pattern of the heavenly.
Heb. 9:
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Ex. 25 confirms as do Hebrews that the earthly was a pattern a copy of another. 9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
All the things were a copy of the original. There was the mercy seat where God would be and the 10 C's in it.
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Ex. 40: And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:
The testimony is the two tables of stone with the law.
Note again the original in heaven. Rev 11:And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings,
God sits on the law, literally. How then is it or can it be removed. It is part of His throne.
Derailing God holy 10C's is not of Heaven. God Bless.

 

[VictorC]

Why don't you confess that there is a temple in heaven like the one God asked Moses to build? That in that temple is the 10 C's as was in the earthly.

Not true. Moses made everything shown to him in the heavenly sanctuary, and did not make the Mosaic covenant - because the covenant exclusive to the children of Israel doesn't apply to space aliens and angels, contrary to SDA mythology. The testimony is there in plain sight, comprised of the Mercyseat.

 

[VictorC]

Of course not! it means that the law is abolished and I have to not tell a lie even thought the commandments that says thou shall not lie does not apply to me!

I'm now quite convinced that that the Law doesn't change sinful human behavior.

Hebrews 7:18-19
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.​

 

[listed]

The same Jesus is the Judge and the standard of His Judgement is the law. John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
James 2:
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Your rejection and unbelief is on you not me. I do not ask you to accept my position. Some seed falls on good ground and some falls on bad ground.

 

[listed]

If indeed you confess the truth of scripture why don't confess as scripture does?
Roman 7:Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

But I died as chapter 6 explains. You only relate to the physical.

7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Yes sir that is the law alright doing its job.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

True

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Again true.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Oh me, I can not help myself.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

So

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

What? Are you remotely paying attention here?

 

[listed]

Why don't you confess that there is a temple in heaven like the one God asked Moses to build? That in that temple is the 10 C's as was in the earthly.
Rev. 11:17 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev 14:19 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Hebrews confirms that the earthly was a pattern of the heavenly.
Heb. 9:
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Ex. 25 confirms as do Hebrews that the earthly was a pattern a copy of another. 9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
All the things were a copy of the original. There was the mercy seat where God would be and the 10 C's in it.
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Ex. 40: And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:
The testimony is the two tables of stone with the law.
Note again the original in heaven. Rev 11:And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings,
God sits on the law, literally. How then is it or can it be removed. It is part of His throne.
Derailing God holy 10C's is not of Heaven. God Bless.

You are confused and I will not confess your confusion as my own.

 

[VictorC]

If indeed you confess the truth of scripture why don't confess as scripture does?
Roman 7:Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The truth includes verse 6 - which you have repeatedly discarded as anathema to the Adventist message. Besides, Romans 3:31 upholds the reliability of the Law's testimony, immediately quoting from the Law 430 years before the Ten Commandments existed to show righteousness imputed to Abraham by faith.

When you reduce this wonderful epistle to sound bites, you don't see the message it conveys in fluid narrative. That's the whole truth of the Gospel.