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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament.
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Thank you for the clarification and the implied apology. The apology is accepted.
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That is most curious. Jacob literally wrestled with God. When was the last time you physically wrestled with God? Using your own definition Jacob was the first and last individual to compose "true Israel".
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I did not write it. You might wish to take the matter up with the author of Genesis.
Genesis 32:22-32New International Version (NIV)
Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacobs hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, Let me go, for it is daybreak.
But Jacob replied, I will not let you go unless you bless me.
27 The man asked him, What is your name?
Jacob, he answered.
28 Then the man said, Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.
29 Jacob said, Please tell me your name.
But he replied, Why do you ask my name? Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacobs hip was touched near the tendon.
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When and where was anyone commanded to "wrestle with God"? The only mention of wrestling with God is that of Jacob and the application of this experience was what? It was the fact that the Jews do not eat the tendon of the hip to this day. If that is what this passage means to you, then, I would say that "true Israel" encompasses every person who does not eat the tendon of the hip.
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The "for" as a conditional in Gen 32:28 connects the reason God gave with his new name. Abstinence from eating the tendon was a consequence. The first instance of any word in Scripture is significant to me, so "Israel" is here of great importance, and it is here where I find its definition.
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Well at least I found out I still can laugh. It is a good feeling. Some good entertainment to be had here.
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the faith of Jesus and His Saints is a spiritual work, and the spiritual work in the true Lord God is overall salvation in Him - namely full salvation for all human and other ensouled beings to abundant and everlasting life in Jesus Christ and His heavenly Father, and it is a matter of overall contribution, not just of one's, because here is how i write the Truth of God and Jesus here, whereby i more or less contribute to the overall salvation in Him, but there is also a need of good: intention, right: invocation, prayer, intercession, repentance from the spiritual iniquity, faithfulness to the true Lord God, etc., and i also abide by these things, but there is a need of as many such people as possible, otherwise even the hitherto existing small number of true Saints would be enough so that all the human and other ensouled beings could be completely and permanently saved to abundant and everlasting life in Jesus and the Father
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You know something, that is true. The law move from stone to flesh, removed.
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One word: sarcasm.Was it too hard to answer with a 'yes' or a 'no'?
You simply can't reconcile this myth with the Jewish believers having been delivered from the Mosaic covenant (Romans 7:6-7, Galatians 4:4-7) and the Gentile believers being instructed to cast off the Mosaic covenant (Galatians 4:21-30), or with Jesus taking away the Mosaic covenant to establish the new one (Hebrews 10:9).
Now a message from the memory hole, lest we forget....
Your quote from the OP of this thread:
Your job, should you choose to accept it, is to reconcile these two quotes from you and produce a coherent conclusion that can be likewise reconciled and/or directly supported with Scripture.
Good luck, Mr Elder111.
This tape will self-destruct in five seconds.
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Where did you discover that at? Just curious.
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18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Since fulfill in Mat. 5: 17-18 is suppose to mean abolished then it must mean the same here.
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My total contribution to personal salvation is consent to accept the redemption God offers through Jesus, His only begotten Son. God then changes my nature and will to not participate in sin especially as a lifestyle. There is no effort to comply with a list of rules I can not live by in the flesh or through its efforts. I have no desire to do wickedness. Yeah I can get riled and tempted on occasion. I do feebly tempted on occasion. It does not become sin until acted on.
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