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Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament.
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The scriptures has described what it calls new. If you rejects that as being remodeled I can not do anything about that.
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Do you say Christians are subject to the OC? You do say Christians are subject to the 10 Cs which Moses calls the covenant in Deut 4:13.
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VictorC
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The passage also rejects your attempt to call the old covenant 'new' by shuffling the old covenant to another location. This wasn't lost on the inspired author of the epistle to the Hebrews in his conclusion regarding Jeremiah's prophecy.
Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
That vanishing act was a fait accompli by the time this same author penned Hebrews 10:9: He takes away the first that He may establish the second. God didn't write the old covenant into your heart, but rather took it away. What Jeremiah knew was that God would write His 'My law' that isn't according to the former covenant into our being. Many of us take the view this refers to God's promise to write His Spirit into His redeemed purchased possession, supported by Ezekiel 36:26. The following verse keeps statutes and judgments externalized, showing that they aren't written into anyone.In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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ananda
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Who left Egypt in the Exodus? "And the children of Israel journeyed ... a mixed multitude went up also with them" Ex 12:3,38
Who did Moses address before his death? "Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do. Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp ... that thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God ..." Deu 29:10,11
Did YHVH include non-Israelites in His covenant? "One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before YHWH." (Num 15:15) also see Num 15:3,14; 9:14; 15:9; Lev 24:22; Isa 11:10, Isa 49:6, Isa 56, Zec 2:11, Zec 8:22,23, Eze 37:22, Psa 22, 86:9, 98:3, etc.
What does your Bible say?
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I don't mean to badger you, but everytime someone points out something to you, your response shows that you can't defend the point you made initially - and you deflect attention with non sequitur fallacies that never addresses what someone shows you.
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No God did not include Gentiles in that covenant. There is a qualifier you even quote "the stranger that sojourneth with you." This limiting phrase proves it was not given to the whole world.
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but if Jesus has not said (for example) "Ye have heard that it hath been said (e.g. An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth) But I say unto you (e.g. That ye resist not evil)"(Matthew 5), then many could (continue to) follow the inimical ordinances of the old covenant (even including many christians), and so they would not be saved, moreover many engaged couples would be stoned to death just because they made love without having a registry marriage, and many women - just because their physical virginity could not be proven enough (because what would be e.g. if some girl unawares lost the integrity of her physical virginity(hymen) in case the law of the testament says "stone such a woman to death"(Deuteronomy 22:13-21)?!), and if the devil has not been completely and permanently cast out of the inner/domestic power of God, then it would be able to continue inculcating laws/requirements inimical to the humans in the covenant and so there would have been no New Testament i.e. perfectly good, and thus there would be no full salvation for so many people, moreover the principalities(spiritual systems) of the wicked would have the power to affect many more people with defilements such as homosexuality, psychopathy, villainy, etc. and then the greater possibility to judge them for becoming/being sinful so (just think how great guile is that)
Blessings
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