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In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

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Heavenly bodies? Gender-less or not? Was the apostle Paul in error when he said their would be neither male nor female, or not?

Paul was dealing with sociological realities within an existing church, race (Jew nor Gentile), social rank (slave nor free) and gender (male nor female). He was not talking about the after life.

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well both are assumption ,i just think my assumption has more biblical basis..(because i'm bias toward my own opinion haha).
but i am sure his resurrected body differs from his glorified body and so shall ours.for we will not be flesh and blood.

Please tell us where we can find those verses, especially those supporting your last statement.

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Please tell us where we can find those verses, especially those supporting your last statement.

John
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i think you mean ,supporting my stated assumption or the conclusion i have presently been convinced of :).

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. matt 22-30


2 corith 4:16&5 1 to 10.-Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. 17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.


For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.


1corinth 15:35-44 - 5 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.


If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
 
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What does that mean? You don't restrain your sexual desires at all?

That is correct. I don't restrain my sexual desires. I desire to have sex with one woman only: my wife. That has been the case for 46 years and will continue until I die. That isn't to say that I don't find other women attractive but I have no desire to have sex with them, which is adultery.

That is not because of the Law but because of the Spirit. There is a huge difference.
 
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Haha.....that's the best testimony I have heard in a long time. The old man has more game than the young bucks! lol

We don't lose our attractions or desires in this life or the next they just get pointed in new directions. If you're still chasing after the 'godless Jezebels' of the world well that might mean you still love the world. But if you're chasing after the daughters of Christ that probably means you love Christ. Christians and their 'great monastery in the sky' views on heaven need to come out of the dark ages and into the 21st century. If the holier than thou types knew what heaven was really like they wouldn't believe it.

Heaven will be a nonstop party for the redeemed. 24/7 all day and all night.....forever! The party will never end and it will only get better and better as time rolls on. :clap::clap::clap:

Interesting thought! I basically agree with you although I think that it won't be a "nonstop party" -- I dislike parties -- but a time of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
 
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Paul was dealing with sociological realities within an existing church, race (Jew nor Gentile), social rank (slave nor free) and gender (male nor female). He was not talking about the after life.

John
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Why would Paul say that there should be neither male nor female within and earthly Christian church then?
 
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Heavenly bodies? Gender-less or not? Was the apostle Paul in error when he said their would be neither male nor female, or not?

Paul wrote the Galatians "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." This is present tense and means that there are no conflicts or hierarchy in Christ Jesus, but the differences remain.
 
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Interesting thought! I basically agree with you although I think that it won't be a "nonstop party" -- I dislike parties -- but a time of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

And fully satisfying, fully personally fulfilling and rewarding glad and happy purposeful work for us to do in Heaven...?

God Bless!
 
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And fully satisfying, fully personally fulfilling and rewarding glad and happy purposeful work for us to do in Heaven...?

God Bless!

I'm not sure what you mean by "work". For one, I fully intend to live in God's rest. When God finished his work of creation he rested from all his labor, and I will do the same. (BTW this is going off-topic.)
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by "work". For one, I fully intend to live in God's rest. When God finished his work of creation he rested from all his labor, and I will do the same. (BTW this is going off-topic.)

It's like someone getting to work a job that they truly love... For example I used to work with the mentally disabled at a couple companies, and I loved it, I was good at it and I had a deep passion for it, and it was personally very rewarding to me and satisfying (I got just as much out of it as my clients did), I even considered them my "Friends" and I cared for them, even loved them, and I loved the work (working with them)... The pay was just an added bonus to me...

Their are doctors out there (the good ones) who truly love and have a deep passion for their jobs (work), and they find it very personally satisfying and fulfilling and it gives them a sense of an important purpose, which is very important in ones life...

I believe when we go to heaven, we will each get work that is customized to our heart's desire, our passion, our desire from which we derive a divine purpose, and purpose is important, and because of that we will all be doing what we truly love, what we would choose to do even if we weren't getting paid for it, we will each be placed in a position to do work that satisfies our passion and it will be glorious...

God Bless!
 
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That is correct. I don't restrain my sexual desires. I desire to have sex with one woman only: my wife. That has been the case for 46 years and will continue until I die. That isn't to say that I don't find other women attractive but I have no desire to have sex with them, which is adultery.

That is not because of the Law but because of the Spirit. There is a huge difference.

But, you have a wife, to express and act on your sexual desires for/on/with (when you have them) but what about those who are younger and single, in order to be approved by God, we have no source to release our sexual desires/thoughts upon, and so we must "restrain" them, which feels like a war within yourself and can sometimes make things worse

(this is what I believe happened within the Catholic church, some of the men (especially men, seems to be a little easier for women), anyways, some of the men took vows of celibacy and so tried really hard to tightly restrain their sexual urges/impulses but that, because they were trying to be men of God, they may not have realized they had a fight, a war on their hands, I believe Satan bombarded them with every kind of sexual perversity imaginable, and some, especially the men, just couldn't win the fight)

But sometimes giving into them, (by masturbating) can sometimes make them worse too, so it feels like a catch 22, from which there seems to be no relief, or release, your damned if you do, damned if you don't type situation...

I'm 35, by the way (half your age) and while I still have sexual desires, they are not as frequent as say they were in my teens and twenties, I place less importance on sex than I used to, and so I wondered if that has made them less frequent, but I thank you for offering a perspective of an older gentleman...

May I ask you, for younger, single men, are you pro-masturbation, or not? Does giving in, satisfying does it therefore decrease future sexual impulses, or not? Should we "repress" them, which can sometimes lead to a war within yourself, being bombarded with every kind of deeply perverse sexual thoughts/impulses, by trying to repress them and losing... But also giving into the impulses, especially when internet porn is involved can make you worse and lead into all kinds of sexual perversities too, so what do us young, single men do?

Thoughts?

God Bless!
 
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i think you mean ,supporting my stated assumption or the conclusion i have presently been convinced of :).

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. matt 22-30

Matthew 22:23-33
Most Jewish people agreed that angels did not eat, drink or propagate (1 Enoch 15:6-7 ; Test. Ab. 4 , 6 A; ARN 1, 37 A). Some Jewish traditions also compared the righteous after death with angels (1 Enoch 39:5 ; 104:2-4 ; 2 Baruch 51:10-11 ). Since angels did not die (unless God destroyed them), they had no need to procreate. Jesus' statement about lack of marriage and procreation in heaven (Matt 22:30) follows largely from the logic of the resurrection, to which he now turns (vv. 31-32).

Early Jewish teachers regularly argued apart from the Bible with Gentiles or scoffers, but from Scripture for those who knew Scripture (Moore 1971:2:381). When debating the views of Sadducees who doubted the resurrection and demanded proof from the law of Moses, later rabbis found ample proof for this doctrine in the Bible's first five books (Sipre Deut. 329.2.1; b. Sanhedrin 90 b). One later rabbi went so far as to say that all texts implied the resurrection if one simply had the ingenuity to find it (Moore 1971:2:383; Sipre Deut. 306.28.3); however, this often meant reading it into the text! As an expert Scripture interpreter, Jesus here exposes his opponents' lack of Scripture knowledge with his standard formula, have you not read . . . ? (v. 31; see Matt 12:3; 19:4; 21:42,46).
(from IVP New Testament Commentary Series © 1992-2004. All rights reserved.


2 corith 4:16&5 1 to 10.-Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. 17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Our heavenly dwelling is our resurrected body, like that of Jesus.

6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:1-5 Twice Paul says that his current situation causes him to groan (vv. 2,4), twice he states that he does not want to be unclothed but "overclothed" (vv. 2-3,4), and twice he remarks that he is "confident" about what he is telling them (vv. 6,8). There is also a piling up of compound verbs not found elsewhere in the New Testament, as Paul strains the limits of the language to express himself

References to being found naked (v. 3) and unclothed (v. 4) suggest that Paul is also combating some form of Greek dualism, where immortality is viewed as the shedding of the physical body at death and the persistence of the soul beyond the grave.

All human beings experience the dismantling of their earthly tent-dwelling. Christians, however, look forward to a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. In contrast to tent (sk¢n¢), the word building (oikodom¢) denotes a stable and permanent structure. Paul's language has led some to think in terms of a literal house in heaven (Charles Hodge; compare John 14:2, "in my Father's house are many rooms"), a heavenly church (Earle Ellis; J. A. T. Robinson), a heavenly temple (Guy Wagner) or the realm of the unseen and eternal (Victor Furnish). Later references to what is mortal being swallowed up by life (v. 4) and being away from the body (v. 8) point, rather, to the believer's hope of a material existence beyond the grave. The present tense, we have, has suggested to some the expectation of a material mode of existence at death. But, as in English, the present tense in Greek can have a future sense—"we will have" (as in "I am going to the store after lunch"). Most, consequently, believe that Paul is talking about the resurrection-transformation of the believer at Christ's return.

All this, however, misses the point Paul is trying to make. The emphatic position of the verb stresses the certain possession of this building. God's intention for the believer is bodily existence, not disembodiment as some would claim. More specifically, those who face physical hardship and suffering as a result of their labors in the gospel ministry are assured that, come what may, a house of God's own designing (ek theou—from God) awaits them. This house is distinguished in three ways. It is of heavenly versus earthly origin (in heaven). It is a permanent (eternal) as opposed to a temporary structure. And it is assembled by God rather than by human hands (not built by human hands).
(from IVP New Testament Commentary Series © 1992-2004. All rights reserved.



1corinth 15:35-44 - 5 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.


If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The term 'spiritual body refers to its origin - God's design, not a non material one. Angels aren't humans. God created us quite differently. As C S Lewis wrote "Angels have never seen a rainbow, never smelt a rose. These are joys that we alone will bring to heaven"

John
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Neogaia I don't know how old you are but let me give you the perspective of one who is over 70.

You are right when you say that us old folks still have sexual thoughts but you are wrong when you say that we can't act on them. My wife and I have sex quite frequently, perhaps not as often as we did years ago, but still often.

My grandfather was still enjoying sex into his late 70s. In fact, he remarried at 75, and his new 60-year-old wife complained about it.

However, by the time he had turned 100, he was no longer sexually active.

Age does make eunuchs of us all...if we live long enough.
 
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The term 'spiritual body refers to its origin - God's design, not a non material one. Angels aren't humans. God created us quite differently. As C S Lewis wrote "Angels have never seen a rainbow, never smelt a rose. These are joys that we alone will bring to heaven"

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well, your over contextualising.
remember i said if you take everything the bible says on it it paints a picture.
and it is very clear from those scriptures that.. we will not be flesh and blood.
we will have bodies to live in that are Not made from the dust of the earth but one made in heaven .a spiritual body .. thus... (on topic,) no sexual desire.or even inclination to think that way.

and again..c s lewis himself is only surmising....there is a rainbow about the throne..the spiritual has far more substance then this material shadow of it.. we take nothing there- especially not this body..nor its pitiful desires.


but be fair..i shared some verses which convince me... i see none which convince me to the contrary??
 
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I haven't looked at this thread until now and I think it is actually a very interesting question. In order to answer it we have to consider a few things (some of which are often still under debate).

1. Can angels have sexual relations?
2. Can spirit produce physical offspring?
3. What does it mean to be married?
4. What is it about fornication that God finds to be unrighteous?
5. What type of body do the resurrected saints have?
6. What is the purpose of sexual desire and pleasure?
7. Is it better to be married or unmarried here now?
8. If so, why and does that apply to those who are holy?

There are also many other questions...but I think these may help us come closer to understanding. If we can find the answers in scripture and not just go with what others have said.
 
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When my wife and I first got married we had sex about 2 to 3 times a day, but now that we have been married 28 years, our sex encounters occur 2 to 3 times a week. Maturity brings other desires that are stronger than sex. When we are in heaven our desire will be to our Lord Jesus Christ and we will be like the Angels in heaven who do not engage in marriage at all. It seems to be certain that the sex of an individual will remain intact but the desire will not be to any person to know them in the intimate way that we do with our spouses on this earth.
 
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When my wife and I first got married we had sex about 2 to 3 times a day, but now that we have been married 28 years, our sex encounters occur 2 to 3 times a week. Maturity brings other desires that are stronger than sex. When we are in heaven our desire will be to our Lord Jesus Christ and we will be like the Angels in heaven who do not engage in marriage at all. It seems to be certain that the sex of an individual will remain intact but the desire will not be to any person to know them in the intimate way that we do with our spouses on this earth.

i partially agree but i think the identity of a person will remain intact at first..but even that will pass as the lord gives us a new name and redefines our identity in Him. and the former things will not be remembered
but our sexual identity is just so unimportant. and in our new heavenly spiritual body we wont desire sex .
after all,we dont marry...who would you desire to have sex with... incestual fornication thus violating the perfect absolutes of God our Father? we wont even have the inclination to know such thought..
 
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i partially agree but i think the identity of a person will remain intact at first..but even that will pass as the lord gives us a new name and redefines our identity in Him. and the former things will not be remembered
but our sexual identity is just so unimportant. and in our new heavenly spiritual body we wont desire sex .
after all,we dont marry...who would you desire to have sex with... incestual fornication thus violating the perfect absolutes of God our Father? we wont even have the inclination to know such thought..

I feel like were going in a circle here... You say that in the newly created heavens if we become angels in that new heaven we won't desire to have sex, or to do any evil, but yet just as everything is recreated anew, repeats the old, and in the old heavens, (in the beginning of the Old heavens), before the old earth (and man and woman) were created, "all" the angels in heaven were holy in the beginning, until one day one high ranking angel became Jealous of his Father creating man and decided to mess with man, and then when God cursed that angel and kicked man and woman out of the garden and they bore sons and daughters, then some of the angels followed the cursed angel and lusted (sexual desire) for the daughters of men and went down and "somehow" someway had sex with them...

Now when we become a part of the new heavens and new earth who's to say the same thing won't happen again (circling, la-de-da) going in circles, a new heaven is created populated with new all holy angels, and then a new earth is created and one angel gets jealous interferes with newly created man on the earth and 1/3 of the angels fall for lusting after the daughters of men, who were supposed to be holy and free from these kinds of things, right?

Anyways the same thing happens and we do it all again, and again, and again, hell, the heavens and earth could have been created, destroyed, and re-created and destroyed and re-created hundreds of times over on the celestial time clock by now, who knows how many times we have done this...:confused:

God Bless!
 
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I feel like were going in a circle here... You say that in the newly created heavens if we become angels in that new heaven we won't desire to have sex, or to do any evil, but yet just as everything is recreated anew, repeats the old, and in the old heavens, (in the beginning of the Old heavens), before the old earth (and man and woman) were created, "all" the angels in heaven were holy in the beginning, until one day one high ranking angel became Jealous of his Father creating man and decided to mess with man, and then when God cursed that angel and kicked man and woman out of the garden and they bore sons and daughters, then some of the angels followed the cursed angel and lusted (sexual desire) for the daughters of men and went down and "somehow" someway had sex with them...

Now when we become a part of the new heavens and new earth who's to say the same thing won't happen again (circling, la-de-da) going in circles, a new heaven is created populated with new all holy angels, and then a new earth is created and one angel gets jealous interferes with newly created man on the earth and 1/3 of the angels fall for lusting after the daughters of men, who were supposed to be holy and free from these kinds of things, right?

Anyways the same thing happens and we do it all again, and again, and again, hell, the heavens and earth could have been created, destroyed, and re-created and destroyed and re-created hundreds of times over on the celestial time clock by now, who knows how many times we have done this...:confused:

God Bless!

you need to refer to the scriptures..
 
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I feel like were going in a circle here... You say that in the newly created heavens if we become angels in that new heaven we won't desire to have sex, or to do any evil, but yet just as everything is recreated anew, repeats the old, and in the old heavens, (in the beginning of the Old heavens), before the old earth (and man and woman) were created, "all" the angels in heaven were holy in the beginning, until one day one high ranking angel became Jealous of his Father creating man and decided to mess with man, and then when God cursed that angel and kicked man and woman out of the garden and they bore sons and daughters, then some of the angels followed the cursed angel and lusted (sexual desire) for the daughters of men and went down and "somehow" someway had sex with them...

Now when we become a part of the new heavens and new earth who's to say the same thing won't happen again (circling, la-de-da) going in circles, a new heaven is created populated with new all holy angels, and then a new earth is created and one angel gets jealous interferes with newly created man on the earth and 1/3 of the angels fall for lusting after the daughters of men, who were supposed to be holy and free from these kinds of things, right?

Anyways the same thing happens and we do it all again, and again, and again, hell, the heavens and earth could have been created, destroyed, and re-created and destroyed and re-created hundreds of times over on the celestial time clock by now, who knows how many times we have done this...:confused:

God Bless!

The wisdom of the matrix is from the mystery religions...it is flawed without God even if it speaks of faith and belief it is of Adam....the scriptures are clear....there was no creation before and there is one fall...one restoration...one eternity...the truth of scripture must be accepted before it is understood
 
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