In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

[RDKirk]

So Jesus had a desire for food after the resurrection and ate, satisfying his desire.

When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence.

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. -- Luke 24

Clearly, what Jesus desired was for the disciples to see that he was a material being, not a spirit or a vision.

Why won't people still have a sexual desire that will also be satisfied after our resurrection? What is so special -- some say sinful -- about sex?

There is nothing special about sexual desire--it's the same as any need of the flesh. Even resurrected, Jesus did not need food, because His body was uncorruptable--immortal. But He could eat food.

Some people are depending on Paul's characterization of Christ as the "second Adam" as being necessarily indicative of physical co-identity rather than only what Paul specifically said that it was: A second man without sin, which was btw true before Jesus was resurrected. Jesus was the Second Adam--the man without sin--before He was crucified.

"Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." -- 1 Corinthians 13

The fact that Jesus was without sin is shown in multiple NT witnesses. The idea that Jesus was resurrected physically identical to Adam is present nowhere, certainly not given multiple witnesses.

 

[RDKirk]

But we still haven't answered the question: Will there be sexual desire in heaven, not those who are resurrected to a paradise earth in fleshly bodies, but those who become angels in heaven, do angels have sexual desires...?

We talk about a day when God will remove these desires, these temptations from us, and we say that if we are resurrected to an angelic spirit body, that God will remove these desires, but I find no Biblical reference or basis to support that conclusion...

Paul talks about angels being neither male nor female (gender neuter) but if this is so, why (shortly after the fall of Adam), do we see reference being made to angels coming down (falling) (to sexual desire, i suppose) and having sex with women and having offspring...

What made the angels who didn't fall, different from the ones that fell, or succumbed to what we would call fleshly carnal desires, were all of them tempted, but some said "no" or what?

You have multiple witnesses declaring that angels are without sexuality and one witness very highly contested over the centuries that they may not be.

 

[RDKirk]

Does God magically remove them (sexual desires) or do we have to remove them?

Every person loses his or her physical sexual impulses, if he or she lives long enough.

 

[Neogaia777]

Every person loses his or her physical sexual impulses, if he or she lives long enough.

I appologize, but I do not agree with you in this aspect, one might lose the ability to "get it up", or might face decreased libido, but that does not negate the mind still thinking sexual thoughts, even at the age of say 100...

Even in old age a man can still have a sexual thought about a young beautiful attractive female, or an old woman can still have a sexual thought at a fit young man, showing off his six pack abs...

I disagree with you that these thoughts comepletely go away with old age, it's just that older people have trained themselves not to "act" on them (most of the time)

God Bless!

 

[Alithis]

We were never created as 'spirits' entombed in a body. Adam was created from earth's dust indicative of our 'belonging' here as an intrinsic part of creation, an earthling through and through.

John
NZ

lol total paganism? bit strong dont you think?
in ian mcormacks testimony.. i refer to his because i meet him..he was a pastor at our church..he said after he died he was in a place of darkness surrounded by the presence of beings of uninhibited malice.he said he was aware of his being but when he put his hand in consternation to his head..nothing connected with nothing..he was without body.
this is how all await (not in dark but bodiless,houseless awaiting to be clothed in immortality ..even abraham has not yet received this the scriptures tell us so...christ first..then every one else..
i think its a bit unfair to so freely call it paganism when the bible states it.
flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven

adams body was created from dust into flesh and blood but its the breath of God which made him a living being..breathed "into" that earthen vessel.

 

[Johnnz]

lol total paganism? bit strong dont you think?
in ian mcormacks testimony.. i refer to his because i meet him..he was a pastor at our church..he said after he died he was in a place of darkness surrounded by the presence of beings of uninhibited malice.he said he was aware of his being but when he put his hand in consternation to his head..nothing connected with nothing..he was without body.
this is how all await (not in dark but bodiless,houseless awaiting to be clothed in immortality ..even abraham has not yet received this the scriptures tell us so...christ first..then every one else..
i think its a bit unfair to so freely call it paganism when the bible states it.
flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven

adams body was created from dust into flesh and blood but its the breath of God which made him a living being..breathed "into" that earthen vessel.

Of course. Our new bodies come at the return of Christ, not before.

John
NZ

 

[Alithis]

Or is the way angels had sex, was by mental/emotional violations, kind of like this star trek episode called violations:

startrek episodes are your response to a request for biblical basis? im a little disturbed by that tbh

 

[Johnnz]

lol total paganism? bit strong dont you think?
Nope. That's where it comes from - see below.

i think its a bit unfair to so freely call it paganism when the bible states it.
flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven
Neither natural descent ("...you must be born from above..") nor our current bodies equip us for life in the renewed earth. Hence Christ's resurrection as a male, fully human, with His now resurrected body. That phrase you quoted is not a teaching about a non physical existence. It was the Greeks who believed in a disembodies existence after death.

adams body was created from dust into flesh and blood but its the breath of God which made him a living being..breathed "into" that earthen vessel.

And thus humanity came into existence separated from the rest of creation through impartation of divine life by The Spirit, becoming a living soul i.e. a real person bearing God's image. As Son of Man Jesus was fully human and He retains that title by virtue of His incarnation within the eternal Godhead. He is indeed the last Adam, succeeding here where the first Adam failed. Jesus was God with toenails, hair, skin and genitals.

John
NZ

 

[pescador]

I appologize, but I do not agree with you in this aspect, one might lose the ability to "get it up", or might face decreased libido, but that does not negate the mind still thinking sexual thoughts, even at the age of say 100...

Even in old age a man can still have a sexual thought about a young beautiful attractive female, or an old woman can still have a sexual thought at a fit young man, showing off his six pack abs...

I disagree with you that these thoughts comepletely go away with old age, it's just that older people have trained themselves not to "act" on them (most of the time)

God Bless!

Neogaia I don't know how old you are but let me give you the perspective of one who is over 70.

You are right when you say that us old folks still have sexual thoughts but you are wrong when you say that we can't act on them. My wife and I have sex quite frequently, perhaps not as often as we did years ago, but still often.

Regarding sexual thoughts, you are wrong in your assumption. I might have an occasional sexual thought about a young attractive woman, but the attraction most certainly isn't limited by age. One of the advantages of being an old man is being attracted to women of all ages, even those who are in their seventies. In fact, I'm generally attracted more to women in their 30's and older than to women younger than that.

And by the way I haven't trained myself to not act on my sexual desires. Who would want to do such a thing?

 

[Alithis]

And thus humanity came into existence separated from the rest of creation through impartation of divine life by The Spirit, becoming a living soul i.e. a real person bearing God's image. As Son of Man Jesus was fully human and He retains that title by virtue of His incarnation within the eternal Godhead. He is indeed the last Adam, succeeding here where the first Adam failed. Jesus was God with toenails, hair, skin and genitals.

John
NZ

thats not in dispute.

-he became flesh,for a purpose ..but is now exalted again.
for the topic, the implication given is somewhat unholy...that he has desire to have sex ? with?... so every thing in scripture causes me to maintain a reasonable assumption..that NO ,in heaven we shall not know sexual desire.
"but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is-1jhn 3;2

 

[RDKirk]

I appologize, but I do not agree with you in this aspect, one might lose the ability to "get it up", or might face decreased libido, but that does not negate the mind still thinking sexual thoughts, even at the age of say 100...

How can you quote me, then say you disagree and throw up such a strawman argument?

I said: "Every person loses his or her physical sexual impulses, if he or she lives long enough."

Where in there did I say "thinking sexual thoughts?"

Did I not explicitly say "physical sexual impulses?"

Even in old age a man can still have a sexual thought about a young beautiful attractive female, or an old woman can still have a sexual thought at a fit young man, showing off his six pack abs...

I disagree with you that these thoughts comepletely go away with old age, it's just that older people have trained themselves not to "act" on them (most of the time)

People think about what they want to think about. It's very much possible to train one's mind, and it's much easier if that training is not inhibited by impulses of the flesh.

An old man can choose to think that he would be satisfied by a nubile young 19-year-old woman who can be nothing in his life but sex and an arm ornament.

Or he can choose to prefer a woman old enough to remember the Queen of Soul and enjoys leaning back and listening to the same music. Especially a woman old enough to name this reference.

In ancient Rome, the slang term for penis was mentula...which means "little brain." When I was 19, my mentula was quite demanding. These days, it's much more docile. It's a lot like my old Labrador Retriever. When he was young, he wanted to run all the time and I had to command him to sit. Nowadays, he will do what I tell him, but if I look away, he'll just lay down.

 

[RDKirk]

And by the way I haven't trained myself to not act on my sexual desires. Who would want to do such a thing?

What does that mean? You don't restrain your sexual desires at all?

 

[fozzy]

Neogaia I don't know how old you are but let me give you the perspective of one who is over 70.

You are right when you say that us old folks still have sexual thoughts but you are wrong when you say that we can't act on them. My wife and I have sex quite frequently, perhaps not as often as we did years ago, but still often.

Regarding sexual thoughts, you are wrong in your assumption. I might have an occasional sexual thought about a young attractive woman, but the attraction most certainly isn't limited by age. One of the advantages of being an old man is being attracted to women of all ages, even those who are in their seventies. In fact, I'm generally attracted more to women in their 30's and older than to women younger than that.

And by the way I haven't trained myself to not act on my sexual desires. Who would want to do such a thing?

Haha.....that's the best testimony I have heard in a long time. The old man has more game than the young bucks! lol

We don't lose our attractions or desires in this life or the next they just get pointed in new directions. If you're still chasing after the 'godless Jezebels' of the world well that might mean you still love the world. But if you're chasing after the daughters of Christ that probably means you love Christ. Christians and their 'great monastery in the sky' views on heaven need to come out of the dark ages and into the 21st century. If the holier than thou types knew what heaven was really like they wouldn't believe it.

Heaven will be a nonstop party for the redeemed. 24/7 all day and all night.....forever! The party will never end and it will only get better and better as time rolls on.

 

[Johnnz]

not so... if you take that deeper... in our immortalized state we are completed.
wo-man was from man... marriage reunified.but when we are clothed in our celestial body that distinction will no longer exist.thus will neither marry nor be given in marriage -

The concept of a celestial body is pagan, not Christian. John's Gospel begins with the opening words of Genesis 1, clearly telling us that the restoration of this world has begun with Jesus. Paul take sup the same theme in Romans 8. revelation 22 is about heaven coming down to earth and both realms once more perfectly united as they were before the Fall. Jesus is our pattern.

whether the lord repopulates the new earth also with a new creature..i know not,he is eternally creative..
but the redeemed will be a walking living habitation of the Spirit of God He in us and us in him ..entwined in that eternal spiritual union. we wont seek to adulterate that perfection nor ever have any desire nor inclination to even imagine doing so.the union of the redeemed in relationship with the Holy Spirit is somthing angels desire to look into.. we shall always be the Bride,the beloved,the redeemed.an eternal testimony to the love,grace and mercy of God.

You touch on some valid themes but tainted with an overly spiritualised underpinning that lacks theological foundation. Christ's resurrected body was a real body, both similar to but different from his pre-resurrected one, as ours will be also, having both a continuty and discontinuity with who we are now.

You would not be you if your gender was obliterated. God's original design was for humanity in two genders to best express God's image. We will not be genderless beings living here in the renewed Eden.

John
NZ

 

[Alithis]

You touch on some valid themes but tainted with an overly spiritualised underpinning that lacks theological foundation. Christ's resurrected body was a real body, both similar to but different from his ore-ressurection one, as ours will be also, having both a continuty and discontinuity with who we are now.

You would not be you if your gender was obliterated. God's original design was for humanity in two genders to best express God's image. We will not be genderless beings living here in the renewed Eden.

John
NZ

well both are assumption ,i just think my assumption has more biblical basis..(because i'm bias toward my own opinion haha).
but i am sure his resurrected body differs from his glorified body and so shall ours.for we will not be flesh and blood.

 

[Neogaia777]

Heavenly bodies? Gender-less or not? Was the apostle Paul in error when he said their would be neither male nor female, or not?

 

[Neogaia777]

What does that mean? You don't restrain your sexual desires at all?

I would ask this same question...?

God Bless!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I would ask this same question...?

God Bless!

have y'all read some of the posts by singles in various threads? many of them think that the sexual desire is like hunger, and that to satisfy it before or outside marriage is not just okay, but great ! (this is of course totally sinful and wrong, but that is what they post about themselves - one said that since he "became a christian" (in his own words) "sex with girls has been much better" (than before becoming "a christian(in his own words) ) ..... the world is so evil, and much of what passes for 'christianity is too!!! no believer or follower of Yahshua could consider having sex outside marriage to the opposite sex spouse as anything but totally sinful.

 

[rick357]

have y'all read some of the posts by singles in various threads? many of them think that the sexual desire is like hunger, and that to satisfy it before or outside marriage is not just okay, but great ! (this is of course totally sinful and wrong, but that is what they post about themselves - one said that since he "became a christian" (in his own words) "sex with girls has been much better" (than before becoming "a christian(in his own words) ) ..... the world is so evil, and much of what passes for 'christianity is too!!! no believer or follower of Yahshua could consider having sex outside marriage to the opposite sex spouse as anything but totally sinful.

In these days we call evil good and good evil...so where does that place us...the end

 

[Alithis]

Heavenly bodies? Gender-less or not? Was the apostle Paul in error when he said their would be neither male nor female, or not?

hi..could you pop a scriptural reference on the page when you jump in with a statement from the bible....

im assuming its Galatians 3:28...

but thats the sort of generalized reference im talking about ..while its not contextually speaking about this topic...there is so much in scripture that, when collectively considered ,convince me that gender recognition is of no import and
sexual desire will play no part at all.
we will be "a new creature in christ"