Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament.

[listed]

We all know the promised Seed came through the loins of Abraham. That doesn't deflect attention to the point I made, which refers to the pre-incarnate nature of the Messiah Jesus - of Whom Hebrews 10 describes in this manner:

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’”​

When He came into the world, He had a body prepared for Him, meaning He lives before that body existed. This is entirely consistent with John 8:58 recording the way Jesus took possession of the Title "I AM" the audience all recognized as the Name presented to Moses - the reason they took up stones with intent of bodily harm on Jesus.

We have a strong disagreement here that would take the thread off course.

 

[toLiJC]

I have just discovered that Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament, not just the law. Do anyone disagree, if so why?

God and Jesus have annulled only the imperfect part of the covenant's conditions by having destroyed the inner/domestic power of the devil which it had in the heaven during the time before the New Testament, and They have revealed a new approach whereby the perfect fulfillment of the Law is possible so that it has been called a "New Testament" which means the perfectly good

John 12:31-32 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out(i.e. now the whole inner/domestic power of satan will permanently be destroyed). And I, if(i.e. and when) I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.",

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world(i.e. the wicked) cometh, and hath nothing in me.",

Matthew 27:50-56 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom(i.e. all inimical/pernicious ordinances in the God's covenant/testament has been annulled); and the earth did quake(i.e. and the powers did shake), and the rocks rent(i.e. and the whole inner/domestic power of satan has permanently been removed/destroyed); And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.",

Colossians 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(i.e. annulling the human/satanic part of the ordinances in the God's covenant/testament) that was against us(i.e. which was prejudicial to the people), which was contrary to us(i.e. which was adverse to us), and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers(i.e. having denounced the unrighteous spiritual/religious systems and powers), he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.",

Matthew 5:38-48 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil(i.e. that you should not render evil for evil to any human): but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek(i.e. but if some human is evil to you), turn to him the other also(i.e. try to be Good to it). And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat(i.e. and if some human wants to receive a good(-ness) from you), let him have thy cloak also(i.e. render it the best of you). And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile(i.e. and if any human wants from you to do/make a good together with it), go with him twain(i.e. go with it rendering the best of you). Give to him that asketh thee(i.e. render the good things which you can provide to the human who demands them of you), and from him that would borrow (viz. good things) of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun(i.e. His grace/benediction) to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain(i.e. purification) on the just(i.e. on the clerics/believers) and on the unjust(i.e. and on the infidel/non-occult people). For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) so? Be ye therefore perfect(i.e. perfectly loving/good), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.",

1 John 2:7-8 "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth."

Blessings

 

[BobRyan]

Hey guys...
I don't have a problem with the thesis that Jesus gave the Mosaic covenant both orally and in written form to the children of Israel. I prefer that, since Jesus identified Himself as the One Who spoke to Moses from the burning bush according to John 8:58 by the Title spoken to Moses.

John 1 says that no one has seen the Father at any time - so that means it is God the Son that is at Sinai when someone is being "seen" for example the 70 elders of Israel "see YHWH" in the book of Exodus.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Elder 111]

You clearly stated that Jesus gave the Ten Commandments to Moses.

I did. So who was with the children of Israel in the wilderness?

 

[Elder 111]

What is your claim in posting JN 10:30? Is it not to show that Jesus is the Father and issued the 10 Cs? Jn 1:17 says no. Jesus did not talk to Moses at Sinai. Moses talked with Someone Who would send His Son. This can be traced through the Scripture starting from Gen 3:15. The text shows 2 different individuals and only one of them is speaking. Gen 1:26 shows multiple entities being involved. Rev 4 does not give Jesus credit for creation.

John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 Cor 10:

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

 

[Elder 111]

Hey guys...
I don't have a problem with the thesis that Jesus gave the Mosaic covenant both orally and in written form to the children of Israel. I prefer that, since Jesus identified Himself as the One Who spoke to Moses from the burning bush according to John 8:58 by the Title spoken to Moses.
Having said that...
I pointed out to Elder111 that since Jesus was the One Who issued the Mosaic covenant, He naturally retains sovereignty over the Law He issued. Scripture attributes God's disposition of the Mosaic covenant to actions performed by Jesus.
Elder111 has never responded to the authority Jesus retains to Himself.

Heb 13:Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Elder 111]

God and Jesus have annulled only the imperfect part of the covenant's conditions by having destroyed the inner/domestic power of the devil which it had in the heaven during the time before the New Testament, and They have revealed a new approach whereby the perfect fulfillment of the Law is possible so that it has been called a "New Testament" which means the perfectly good

John 12:31-32 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out(i.e. now the whole inner/domestic power of satan will permanently be destroyed). And I, if(i.e. and when) I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.",

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world(i.e. the wicked) cometh, and hath nothing in me.",

Matthew 27:50-56 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom(i.e. all inimical/pernicious ordinances in the God's covenant/testament has been annulled); and the earth did quake(i.e. and the powers did shake), and the rocks rent(i.e. and the whole inner/domestic power of satan has permanently been removed/destroyed); And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.",

Colossians 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(i.e. annulling the human/satanic part of the ordinances in the God's covenant/testament) that was against us(i.e. which was prejudicial to the people), which was contrary to us(i.e. which was adverse to us), and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers(i.e. having denounced the unrighteous spiritual/religious systems and powers), he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.",

Matthew 5:38-48 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil(i.e. that you should not render evil for evil to any human): but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek(i.e. but if some human is evil to you), turn to him the other also(i.e. try to be Good to it). And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat(i.e. and if some human wants to receive a good(-ness) from you), let him have thy cloak also(i.e. render it the best of you). And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile(i.e. and if any human wants from you to do/make a good together with it), go with him twain(i.e. go with it rendering the best of you). Give to him that asketh thee(i.e. render the good things which you can provide to the human who demands them of you), and from him that would borrow (viz. good things) of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun(i.e. His grace/benediction) to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain(i.e. purification) on the just(i.e. on the clerics/believers) and on the unjust(i.e. and on the infidel/non-occult people). For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) so? Be ye therefore perfect(i.e. perfectly loving/good), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.",

1 John 2:7-8 "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth."

Blessings

There is nothing imperfect about God or what He did.

 

[VictorC]

John 1 says that no one has seen the Father at any time - so that means it is God the Son that is at Sinai when someone is being "seen" for example the 70 elders of Israel "see YHWH" in the book of Exodus.

Heb 13:Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

It's fascinating to see both of you agreeing with the Biblical premise that Jesus was the One Who gave the Law - but neither one of you are responding to the point made regarding the authority He retains over His own creation by this very virtue. He is the King naturally Sovereign over His created covenant made with those who are not His children, declaring " the sons are free addressing us who have been adopted as His own:

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.​

 

[Elder 111]

It's fascinating to see both of you agreeing with the Biblical premise that Jesus was the One Who gave the Law - but neither one of you are responding to the point made regarding the authority He retains over His own creation by this very virtue. He is the King naturally Sovereign over His created covenant made with those who are not His children, declaring " the sons are free addressing us who have been adopted as His own:

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.​

Free from what or free to do what?

 

[listed]

Free from what or free to do what?

I suppose free from the law after reading Romans 6:14, 15; 7:6; Gal 4 and 5.

 

[VictorC]

Free from what or free to do what?

Free from the condemnation of the Law that retained the recipients and alienated the Gentiles apart from God during its tenure.

"do what?" = confusion reversing the relationship of what kept whom and until when. You didn't get that from the Bible.

 

[toLiJC]

There is nothing imperfect about God or what He did.

yes, the true Lord God is perfect, but satan(the wicked) is not, and exactly it inculcated the imperfect part of ordinances in the old covenant working by the unrighteous worshipers among the then israelites

Hebrews 8:7-9 "if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."

Blessings

 

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[Elder 111]

Free from the condemnation of the Law that retained the recipients and alienated the Gentiles apart from God during its tenure.

"do what?" = confusion reversing the relationship of what kept whom and until when. You didn't get that from the Bible.

1. Free from the condemnation of the law: Would that not mean that we are not condemned? By the removal of the law or by the blood of Christ? If it is by the removal of the law then there is no need of the blood of Jesus to cover my sins is there?
2. No gentle could have salvation without the removal of the law? No gentle was saved until the"law was removed"? Only Jews were entitled to salvation?

 

[Elder 111]

yes, the true Lord God is perfect, but satan(the wicked) is not, and exactly it inculcated the imperfect part of ordinances in the old covenant working by the unrighteous worshipers among the then israelites

Hebrews 8:7-9 "if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."

Blessings

1. The ordinances were not "imperfect". There had a purpose for a limited time. The sacrifices of sheep and goals were pointing the the perfect Sacrifice of Christ. After He came there was no more need of those.
2. The problems with the Jews were with them not God covenant.

 

[VictorC]

1. Free from the condemnation of the law: Would that not mean that we are not condemned? By the removal of the law or by the blood of Christ? If it is by the removal of the law then there is no need of the blood of Jesus to cover my sins is there?
2. No gentle could have salvation without the removal of the law? No gentle was saved until the"law was removed"? Only Jews were entitled to salvation?

Let's focus on your relationship with the Mosaic covenant as a Gentile in Barbados: You never had this covenant from Mount Sinai. Ephesians 2 describes your relationship this way:

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.​

You simply cannot ignore the transition between 'at that time' and 'but now'. The time element showing the end of the Law's tenure is the transition from the old covenant you never had and the new covenant in the Blood of Christ. During the former covenant's tenure the Blood of Christ wasn't available to you. Or anyone, for that matter.

Hebrews 9
13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.​

Jesus doesn't mediate the covenant from Mount Sinai that was mediated through Moses. That was the 'first covenant' He took away according to Hebrews 10:9.
Your closing statement, once again:

Only Jews were entitled to salvation?

How absurd. Peter was deeply moved by how the Gentiles are accepted apart from the Law, leading the council at Jerusalem concluding it has no business conveying the Law from Moses or circumcision contained therein to the Gentiles.

Acts 15
7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”​

Who are the 'we' Peter includes in this? The Jewish recipients of the Law.
Who are the 'they' Peter concludes 'we' will be saved in like manner? Those are the Gentiles, who never had the Law to begin with.

 

[Elder 111]

Let's focus on your relationship with the Mosaic covenant as a Gentile in Barbados: You never had this covenant from Mount Sinai. Ephesians 2 describes your relationship this way:

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.​

The text says that the gentles were without Christ. Strangers from the covenants (more than one). Is not therefore the ideas of being without Christ and without the covenants linked together? Is that not the premise of the text?
What are the ordinances? Certainly not the Ten commandments! Were the Ten Commandments the "the enmity"? Remember that includes the commandment to worship God alone! Show me how!
​

You simply cannot ignore the transition between 'at that time' and 'but now'. The time element showing the end of the Law's tenure is the transition from the old covenant you never had and the new covenant in the Blood of Christ. During the former covenant's tenure the Blood of Christ wasn't available to you. Or anyone, for that matter.

Hebrews 9
13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.​

Jesus doesn't mediate the covenant from Mount Sinai that was mediated through Moses. That was the 'first covenant' He took away according to Hebrews 10:9.
Your closing statement, once again:

How absurd. Peter was deeply moved by how the Gentiles are accepted apart from the Law, leading the council at Jerusalem concluding it has no business conveying the Law from Moses or circumcision contained therein to the Gentiles.

Acts 15
7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”​

Who are the 'we' Peter includes in this? The Jewish recipients of the Law.
Who are the 'they' Peter concludes 'we' will be saved in like manner? Those are the Gentiles, who never had the Law to begin with.

The discussion in Acts 15 is about circumcision not the Ten commandments, No where is the ten commandments brought into question. Further more the knew that the Sabbath was being observed and said nothing against the Sabbath.
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

1. Verse 20 shows that not all things from the "first covenant" were excluded. Why?
2. Verse 21 will show that if there were Jews only worshiping on the Sabbath there would have no reason to worry about what they did in the synagogues. The gentles had to be they too, as clearly stated in other passages in Acts.

 

[Elder 111]

Let's focus on your relationship with the Mosaic covenant as a Gentile in Barbados: You never had this covenant from Mount Sinai. Ephesians 2 describes your relationship this way:

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.​

The text says that the gentles were without Christ. Strangers from the covenants (more than one). Is not therefore the ideas of being without Christ and without the covenants linked together? Is that not the premise of the text?
What are the ordinances? Certainly not the Ten commandments! Were the Ten Commandments the "the enmity"? Remember that includes the commandment to worship God alone! Show me how!
​

You simply cannot ignore the transition between 'at that time' and 'but now'. The time element showing the end of the Law's tenure is the transition from the old covenant you never had and the new covenant in the Blood of Christ. During the former covenant's tenure the Blood of Christ wasn't available to you. Or anyone, for that matter.

Hebrews 9
13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.​

Jesus doesn't mediate the covenant from Mount Sinai that was mediated through Moses. That was the 'first covenant' He took away according to Hebrews 10:9.
Your closing statement, once again:

How absurd. Peter was deeply moved by how the Gentiles are accepted apart from the Law, leading the council at Jerusalem concluding it has no business conveying the Law from Moses or circumcision contained therein to the Gentiles.

Acts 15
7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”​

Who are the 'we' Peter includes in this? The Jewish recipients of the Law.
Who are the 'they' Peter concludes 'we' will be saved in like manner? Those are the Gentiles, who never had the Law to begin with.

The discussion in Acts 15 is about circumcision not the Ten commandments, No where is the ten commandments brought into question. Further more they knew that the Sabbath was being observed and said nothing against the Sabbath.
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

1. Verse 20 shows that not all things from the "first covenant" were excluded.
2. Verse 21 will show that if there were Jews only worshiping on the Sabbath there would have had no reason to worry about what they did in the synagogues. The gentles had to be they too, as clearly stated in other passages in Acts.

 

[VictorC]

The text says that the gentles were without Christ. Strangers from the covenants (more than one). Is not therefore the ideas of being without Christ and without the covenants linked together? Is that not the premise of the text?

I assumed you knew the plural mention of covenants included the promise through Abraham that in his Seed the nations (plural) would (future) be blessed. Galatians 3 addresses this very topic, and here the text states the Gentiles were estranged from that covenant promise. That included you. You're confronted with the transition between "at that time" and "but now" you completely ignored.

What are the ordinances? Certainly not the Ten commandments! Were the Ten Commandments the "the enmity"? Remember that includes the commandment to worship God alone! Show me how!

I recently pointed out that you erroneously reversed the relationship of what kept whom and until when for the recipients of the Mosaic covenant - and here I can see you're repeating that error. The Gentile nations didn't ever have the Mosaic covenant, remember? That includes you.

The discussion in Acts 15 is about circumcision not the Ten commandments, No where is the ten commandments brought into question.

This is pure mythology ignoring the content of Acts 15:5 specifying the mandate introduced by the believing Pharisees that included "command them to keep the law of Moses". That's the Mosaic covenant, aka the Ten Commandments and the Book of the Law. Circumcision is but a component of the Law under consideration, the reason the council convened.

Further more they knew that the Sabbath was being observed and said nothing against the Sabbath.

More mythology.

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

1. Verse 20 shows that not all things from the "first covenant" were excluded.
2. Verse 21 will show that if there were Jews only worshiping on the Sabbath there would have had no reason to worry about what they did in the synagogues. The gentles had to be they too, as clearly stated in other passages in Acts.

Moses had been preached in the synagogues on the Sabbath for many generations prior to this passage being written. Did this help you find a Sabbath being conveyed to the Gentiles?
No.
It isn't there. You strayed far from the Biblical record.

The Sabbath was as much a requirement of the Mosaic covenant as was circumcision. Where one is conveyed the other generally follows, as the annual Sabbaths couldn't be observed by anyone who wasn't circumcised (Exodus 12:48) - which is no different from the weekly Sabbaths. In this response you didn't address the entire passage quoted in the previous post that refuted your question of salvation for the Jewish recipients of the Law. The recipients were saved in the same manner as the Gentiles, who never had the Law including circumcision and the Sabbath contained therein.

 

[JohnRabbit]

The discussion in Acts 15 is about circumcision not the Ten commandments, No where is the ten commandments brought into question.