Sabbath was made for man

[VictorC]

VictorC, I will not troll no longer, no more response from me to you.

It took less than one day for you to violate your promise to stop trolling. Your latest posts contain the same straw man arguments that have been repeatedly laid to rest as false.

 

[Gibs]

So now Cribstyl you can continue you think in your sinning and there will be no recompense.

I guarantee you the penalty for sin remains for continuing in sin.

Christ's death on the cross covers the curse of the law which is death for all repented of present and past sin but not future sinning.

To continue in sin is dangerous and each must be repented of quickly or realize who your true master is.

Want proof?

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Any sin un repented of in that day will condemn!

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all

Jas 2:14 ¶ What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

 

[SAAN]

Saan, it is not any man's call as to who will burn in the consuming fire of our God.

But let us do take heed as to the depth of what disobedience has done and noting the first sin.

Satan beguiled Eve into thinking that to disobey God surely He would not have her to die. Well she sure went ahead and did eat of the forbidden fruit and now all the posterity of Adam's and hers are sinners bent on disobedience.

Yes Adam knew better but he loved Eve so much he also grabbed of the fruit and did eat.

It now behooves us with the power of the indwelling Christ to embed in our minds souls and hearts to render strict obedience.

He showed us it could be done and Satan threw more at Him than is ever at us. Besides Satan can see if Christ dwells within us and knows where he sees Him dwelling within one that he already is a defeated foe.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Without Him we can do nothing, He alone is our strength and stay and quickening to sort truth from error, His Spirit of Truth!

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Im not saying the Sabbath is of no importance, but honestly NO ONE can keep the Sabbath per the way the scripture commands it. It says dont do any work or have others do work for you.

If you turn on a light, watch TV or go on the internet, you are causing someone at the power company to be at work, someone at a data center to be at work, someone at a internet service provider to be at work.

If you go to the store and buy gas or anything, you are making someone work.

If you drive your car, you are causing someone at the DOT to be at work to make sure the traffic signals work.

If you go to a sporting event, you are doing this of your own pleasure, which the book of Isaiah speaks against.

 

[Sophrosyne]

They fail to understand that all the law was fulfilled when Christ died for sins of all mankind. They ignore clear doctrine that Christian are not under the law. They teach that only the ceremonial law was done away with.

And don't forgot that they elevate the Sabbath to morality instead of a weekly ceremony. If you notice most commandments dealing with morality say DO NOT, while the Sabbath says REMEMBER to KEEP. We don't see any other moral commandment that must ONLY be valid one day a week the moral ones tend to be valid 24/7/365 etc. In other words the Sabbath IS a ceremonial commandment because one doesn't constantly guard themselves against breaking it as it is only breakable 1/7 of the time. Imagine adultery only valid on Sundays that one can go ahead and sleep with others wives/husbands the other 6 days a week and see how far that goes.

 

[Cribstyl]

So now Cribstyl you can continue you think in your sinning and there will be no recompense.

Never said that; I said, the penalty for all sin fell on Jesus.

I guarantee you the penalty for sin remains for continuing in sin.

For those who reject Jesus

Christ's death on the cross covers the curse of the law which is death for all repented of present and past sin but not future sinning.

Are these scripture false?
1Jo 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jo 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

To continue in sin is dangerous and each must be repented of quickly or realize who your true master is.

Want proof?

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Any sin un repented of in that day will condemn!

Anyone who reads James chapter 2 can understand the conversation is about how a man with faith should act. James is teaching that a man with faith should love his neighbor.
Jas 2:1
¶ My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
(James is saying; believers in Christ do not discriminate...)
Jas 2:2 (by how a man is dressed....)
Jas 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

(The conversation about how someone with faith should act continues from verse 1-12. Some people miss the fact that James is calling Christ's Commandment to 'love your neighbor' both "the royal law"and also the law of liberty.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

The qouting of commandments by James can be isolated with commentary and promote being under the law. But James is illustrating that the commandment to love is violated if we show favortism, kill, adultery, steal, ect.

Jas 2:14 ¶ What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

New topic about a man who claims faith.

 

[Cribstyl]

We prove we do not have the saving faith when we continue is our sinning.

Love and the works of love and faith will fulfill the law and begets the obedience that only will suffice.

Faith without the works of righteousness is dead.

Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Show me a man who have stopped sinning and I'll show you a hypocritical liar.
Your theology in pink is questionable.

 

[Gibs]

Im not saying the Sabbath is of no importance, but honestly NO ONE can keep the Sabbath per the way the scripture commands it. It says dont do any work or have others do work for you.

If you turn on a light, watch TV or go on the internet, you are causing someone at the power company to be at work, someone at a data center to be at work, someone at a internet service provider to be at work.

If you go to the store and buy gas or anything, you are making someone work.

If you drive your car, you are causing someone at the DOT to be at work to make sure the traffic signals work.

If you go to a sporting event, you are doing this of your own pleasure, which the book of Isaiah speaks against.

On things we have no control over we are not held responsible. The necessary things of life are understood and are lawful

We do all we can on Friday, preparation day, to not have no unnecessary things to do on the Sabbath day.

We get our gas groceries showers bath and clean clothes and it is not unlawful to open a faucet or turn on a light or have the furnace keep you warm as these are not of your control as to how they are produced.

I worked as a Journeyman Electric lineman for 36 yrs. and at times I did work on Sabbath to put electric back on so people could get water and heat and mine was a rural Electric Company and Farmers needed water for livestock and other things or much harm would come not only for them but for those their produce was for.

Lots of food in freezers in farm areas and peoples refrigerators would soon be lost.

It is always lawful to do good in the Sabbath, Jesus did it all the time.

If your furnace quit and it was 20 below and I were a furnace man and it was Sabbath I would not leave you to freeze and water pipes in your house to freeze and burst and your toilets to freeze up and burst the bottom part and ruin them and you and yours needing to go bad. Chances are if it were gas it only may need a new igniter.

The Pharisees blamed Jesus in His day and the Pharisees do me today too!

 

[Cribstyl]

And don't forgot that they elevate the Sabbath to morality instead of a weekly ceremony. If you notice most commandments dealing with morality say DO NOT, while the Sabbath says REMEMBER to KEEP. We don't see any other moral commandment that must ONLY be valid one day a week the moral ones tend to be valid 24/7/365 etc. In other words the Sabbath IS a ceremonial commandment because one doesn't constantly guard themselves against breaking it as it is only breakable 1/7 of the time. Imagine adultery only valid on Sundays that one can go ahead and sleep with others wives/husbands the other 6 days a week and see how far that goes.

Their doctrines would take a fatal blow if they waver a little on this argument.

 

[ErezY]

Show me a man who have stopped sinning and I'll show you a hypocritical liar.
Your theology in pink is questionable.

Was John a hypocrital liar?

1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin.

8 We know that http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/1-john/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-30everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/1-john/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-31he who was born of God http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/1-john/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-32protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

Because either John was preaching to people NOT to sin, as he was living in sin. OR he was preaching to people to NOT sin, even though no man could do so.

Jesus does NOT sin, and he is 'supposed' to be living through you. In you, leading you, keeping you clean.

Not that we 'never' sin but that we are not called to remain in sin. AND that we have a way to remain clean in Him. To teach we are to remain in sin is not the gospel message.

 

[Gibs]

Man did not elevate the Sabbath to be Yah's Holy day and Blessed day.

Hey it was He that did that!

Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No other day is set apart to be Hallowed and Blessed of Him!

If people worked as hard to show Sunday is not legit as God's Holy Day you would stand the greatest of all chances to succeed!

 

[BobRyan]

It can only make sense that when God first gave the Sabbath it was to men. That fact should not be confused with God's rest from creating all things. God's rest was not for man, it was clearly because God was finished and therefore ended all His work.

You quote heavily "from you" in that statement instead of from the actual Sabbath Commandment of Ex 20:8-11.

Quoting "you" and ignoring the actual Sabbath commandment might be "necessary" when going out on that limb - but not convincing.

8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day;therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Incredibly obvious to all.

Only a false prophet would contradict God, and say that Sabbath was given for all men at creation.

The majority of even pro-sunday scholarship argues for the Sabbath given to mankind in Eden and still applies to all mankind today. As we already saw. #1

And of course God says the Sabbath was "Made for mankind" Mark 2:27.

Directly contradicting the Bible is the work of a false prophet - directly affirming the word of God - is the work of a true prophet..

I'd say giving unintended meaning to the Bible is a sign of a false prophet. Oh yeah that would be directly contradicting the Bible.

Yes directly contradicting the Bible would be a problem. That is why I prefer the texts listed instead of just ignoring them.

The word Sabbath doesn't appear in Genesis. God's rest wasn't periodic.

Read Ex 20:11 -- "What God said" about it instead of wishful thinking.

No wonder the majority of even pro-sunday scholarship admits that the Sabbath was kept in Eden.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Sophrosyne

And don't forgot that they elevate the Sabbath to morality instead of a weekly ceremony. If you notice most commandments dealing with morality say DO NOT, while the Sabbath says REMEMBER to KEEP. We don't see any other moral commandment that must ONLY be valid one day a week the moral ones tend to be valid 24/7/365 etc. In other words the Sabbath IS a ceremonial commandment because one doesn't constantly guard themselves against breaking it as it is only breakable 1/7 of the time. Imagine adultery only valid on Sundays that one can go ahead and sleep with others wives/husbands the other 6 days a week and see how far that goes.
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Their doctrines would take a fatal blow if they waver a little on this argument.

Sabbatarian SDAs and MJs will never waver...trust me on that.


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[Gibs]

The handwritten ordinances was not the Royal law as it was written of God's own finger in stone.

The handwritten ones were the ones that Moses copied out about the laws and ordinances of sacrifices that pointe to Christ the True Lamb of God.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 ¶ Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[Angelquill]

Sabbatarian SDAs and MJs will never waver...trust me on that.


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what is an "MJ"??

Just curious...

 

[Sophrosyne]

what is an "MJ"??

Just curious...

I'm surprised you don't know what that is, they have a separate forum here to post in Messianic Jew is was MJ stands for. You can go there in their forum and read about their idea of the Law and how they keep it.

 

[Gibs]

One thing is for sure the Truth does not waver and can stand investigation and as a matter of fact invites it and only shines the brighter for it.

Re 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Ah now what do you suppose is in that "Ark of His Testament?"

Mercy, of course the Royal law of which the pre Bethlehem Jesus copied with His own finger in the tablets of stone for the earthly tabernacle, the type of the Heavenly!

 

[listed]

Sabbatarian SDAs and MJs will never waver...trust me on that.


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Is that protectionism?

 

[listed]

And don't forgot that they elevate the Sabbath to morality instead of a weekly ceremony. If you notice most commandments dealing with morality say DO NOT, while the Sabbath says REMEMBER to KEEP. We don't see any other moral commandment that must ONLY be valid one day a week the moral ones tend to be valid 24/7/365 etc. In other words the Sabbath IS a ceremonial commandment because one doesn't constantly guard themselves against breaking it as it is only breakable 1/7 of the time. Imagine adultery only valid on Sundays that one can go ahead and sleep with others wives/husbands the other 6 days a week and see how far that goes.

Great point.

 

[BobRyan]

Sabbatarian SDAs and MJs will never waver...trust me on that.


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The elephant in the living room is that most of those on this section of the board at war against the Law of God - are also at war against the 7 main points of even pro-sunday scholarship affirming the 10 Commandments as the Law of God - the moral law applicable to all the saints from Eden to this very day.

Recasting the entire discussion as "just SDA and MJ" is less than substantive given all the irrefutable evidence on this point so far.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[listed]

We prove we do not have the saving faith when we continue is our sinning.

Love and the works of love and faith will fulfill the law and begets the obedience that only will suffice.

Faith without the works of righteousness is dead.

Where do you get this from?

Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Four out of ten commandments have nothing to do with your neighbor.