Sabbath was made for man

[Gibs]

I am not the one who brought up Sabbath here and if I am not allowed the freedom to post the truth as it is of His Word then why would I post and be a go along with what I find not true.

I was asked how I keep it, the answer is as He desires me to do and that is no problem at all. As a matter of fact it is my delight.

I am for the truth and His Word is truth and not the word of men.

 

[listed]

I keep Sabbath, and I leave you and all free to choose to or not.

Many are hoodwinking folks to not keep the Holy Sabbath and that is a dire thing to teach for sure.

That I doubt very much. I will not put you on trial here. But if examined my wager is you will flunk.

 

[Gibs]

That I doubt very much. I will not put you on trial here. But if examined my wager is you will flunk.

I don't understand this at all. I did not flame anyone and I never have and never will.

What on earth am I in danger of flunking?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Gibs

I keep Sabbath, and I leave you and all free to choose to or not.

Many are hoodwinking folks to not keep the Holy Sabbath and that is a dire thing to teach for sure.
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How do you keep it?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7430788-4/#post55591200
This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All

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I am not the one who brought up Sabbath here and if I am not allowed the freedom to post the truth as it is of His Word then why would I post and be a go along with what I find not true.

I was asked how I keep it, the answer is as He desires me to do and that is no problem at all. As a matter of fact it is my delight.

I am for the truth and His Word is truth and not the word of men.

Ummm, this is a Sabbath thread in case ya didn't notice

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[Gibs]

Ummm, this is a Sabbath thread in case ya didn't notice

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One of your pictures stated a "Jewish Sabbath" and that is not true. Yes I had caught this is a Sabbath thread but why am I getting the flack about being tried something called "list"

I have been on this forum some time and I get some added words in a Bible verse every time unless it has been stopped, will post one to see it still is.

1Jo[bless and do not curse]4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

My Church is this one that Jesus Guaranteed would not fall,

Mt[bless and do not curse]16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

This is the one and only True Church, all the others are but structures of men as only God can build His Church. He is the Cornerstone in it and we are His Body and His Bride, each a living stone in the building,

1Co[bless and do not curse]3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Pe[bless and do not curse]2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Why should I join a structure of men fallen into apostasy. In this, His Church all are keepers of the Holy Sabbath as that apostasy came in the first apostate that fell from it!

I didn't take out the added words in the verses this time and can you imagine that I really like to post in this forum?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

One of your pictures stated a "Jewish Sabbath" and that is not true.
Yes I had caught this is a Sabbath thread but why am I getting the flack about being tried something called "list"..........

"List"?

Do you mean "legalist"?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7802665/
Should legalist christianity be migrated to unorthodox theology?

I mean .. Christianity is about grace, what's all this law talk about anyway? isn't that another religion?

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[Cribstyl]

I take note the Sabbath, the seventh day is the only day out of His seven that He hallowed and blessed and there is a reason for that.

It is His rest and that alone is reason to know it is a hallowed and blessed day!

No you're incorrect. Scriptures proves that the seventh day was given to the Children of Israel as a sign of God's rest.

Now lets consider these scriptures are really saying.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

(This text above says that "we" (the believers in Christ) do enter into God's rest.
What is confirmed next is: that God's works were finished in those first 6 days which were the foundation of the world.
This proves that God did not rest weekly or with Adam because His works was finished.)


Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

(This text is confirming the certain place (is the OT in Genesis 2:1-3) where it says that God rested on the 7th day from all His work)

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

('This place again' is a ref to the OT, Psalms 95)

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

(God's rest is a place for people to get inyo, but the first ones that God invited into His rest, did not enter because of unbelief.) Saying that people rested with God is a lie.

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
( Text is saying... God has isolated a specific day, and the day is TODAY,, so hear the gospel and let Him into your heart by faith.)

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
( If Joshua (translated as Jesus in Greek NT) Had given the COI the rest of God, there would be no expectation of another day,)
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
(That's why there remains another rest for the people of God.) NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT SABBATH KEEPING.)
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(It's talking about an end of work and a heavenly rest as God took from all His works)
Heb 4:11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. [/quote] (Did not Jesus promise to prepare a place for you?)

 

[JohnRabbit]

No you're incorrect. Scriptures proves that the seventh day was given to the Children of Israel as a sign of God's rest.

let's see what God says about the sign!

Exodus 31:13(NKJV)
13“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

a sign that He is God!


Exodus 31:16-17(NKJV)
16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
17It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”

God recounts the creation (and yes He rested on that day in creation), a sign that He is the Creator!


Ezekiel 20:12(NKJV)
12Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

again a sign that He is God!


Ezekiel 20:20(NKJV)
20hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

and again, a sign that He is God!


so it seems that from scrpture God didn't say that the sabbath is a sign of His rest, that's just what you said!

the scripture says that God says that the sabbath was a sign that He God is God - the Creator!



that, to me, seems like a sign for everyone!

 

[JohnRabbit]

If man had not sinned then the Sabbath day would be meaningless therefore the Sabbath Day was made for sinners.

Mark 2:27(NKJV)
27And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

as i recall, adam was not a sinner when God made the sabbath!


so i'm guessing that Jesus didn't get your memo!

 

[Cribstyl]

let's see what God says about the sign!

Exodus 31:13(NKJV)
13“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

a sign that He is God!


Exodus 31:16-17(NKJV)
16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
17It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”

God recounts the creation (and yes He rested on that day in creation), a sign that He is the Creator!


Ezekiel 20:12(NKJV)
12Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

again a sign that He is God!


Ezekiel 20:20(NKJV)
20hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

and again, a sign that He is God!


so it seems that from scrpture God didn't say that the sabbath is a sign of His rest, that's just what you said!

the scripture says that God says that the sabbath was a sign that He God is God - the Creator!



that, to me, seems like a sign for everyone!

You're posting scripture but your comments are ignoring important the fact. Ex 31:13 says, that sabbath is a sign exclussively between God and the children of Israel. That truth is far from being a creation institution for the world.

Ex31:16-17 restates the same facts and declares that Sabbath is a covenant. A covenant is a binding agreement between two or more people. Scriptures reenforces that Gentiles nations were strangers to God's covenants.

In Eze 20:20 God declares to whom the Sabbath was made with. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind, that a creation sabbath is a myth that contradicts God's claim.

 

[Angelquill]

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

So, Gentiles, you can all just forget it...you are not included in God's "New Covenant" anyhow....like the Sabbath, it is just for Jews, right?

 

[Gibs]

The Sabbath was instituted in earth at it's creation to Adam and Eve and to all their posterity for all eternity. It is the recurring Seventh Solar day into all eternity never to be broken. One of God's great time clocks and He has several!

LORD, Yahweh of Hosts, the pre Bethlehem Jesus Christ was the earths and all visible creation and also all the the Hosts Creator. And no He did not ever change it and never will!

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

It is absolutely ludicrous that Jesus changed anything!

It is also absolutely ludicrous that when John spoke of the LORD'S day that he was speaking of Sunday!

Listen! Here only is what of he spoke,

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Who only I ask can make anything Holy or orthodox? Man fails at that miserably!

Christ and the Apostles kept the Holy Sabbath and the Church Christ built still does of which I am a member and none can deny it has not fallen, many have fallen away in apostasy but He Guaranteed "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Of the structures men call church have though as error is entertained in them all!

In His Church, No! as He alone is it's Head, He alone is it's Organizer and He alone Ordains the teachers, preachers and Apostles.

You must see that only He alone can know who has His Spirit of Truth and will not be weaving in the errors of men!

His Church door is always open and all are invited to come and worship in Spirit and in Truth of which the worship must be or He will not be present in it and His Presence in it only constitutes Church!

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Mt 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The law of love is given to men in 10 segments,

Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Ex 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Ex 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Ex 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Ex 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Ex 20:12 ¶ Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Ex 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Ex 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Ex 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Ex 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

[Gibs]

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

So, Gentiles, you can all just forget it...you are not included in God's "New Covenant" anyhow....like the Sabbath, it is just for Jews, right?

I must tell you and all, the new covenant was not to change the immutable law in no way.

Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The new covenant was built on the true sacrifice that the old pointed to and Christ fulfilled with His death on the cross and shedding of His Blood for us in our place.

Yah says what He means and means what He says! let us not twist or put a spin on any of His Word.

 

[VictorC]

Mark 2:27(NKJV)
27And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

as i recall, adam was not a sinner when God made the sabbath!


so i'm guessing that Jesus didn't get your memo!

Non sequitur: drawing a fictitious origin of the Sabbath from a passage wherein Jesus declared the Sabbath was made for man (it wasn't God's rest) and omitting His decree that He is Lord of the Sabbath (He is the sovereign owner of the Sabbath, following from the fact that it wasn't made for God and doesn't pertain to Him). Your opinion has no relation to Scripture. The Sabbath didn't exist during the lifetime of Adam, and you didn't respond to the previous post quoting from Exodus 31, where the Sabbath was an exclusive sign and covenant made with the children of Israel.

I looked up my notes. This has been how your posts have been over the course of more than four years! Just an example:

again, the word according to VictorC.

Direct quotes were furnished in many cases that show:

• The Ten Commandments was the covenant from Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:18-19, Deuteronomy 4:11-14).
• We are not bound to that covenant that Judaic believers have been delivered from (Romans 7:6-7) and Gentile believers are instructed to cast away (Galatians 4:21-30).

bottom line is that adam and eve were married and there was a law that bound them together.

you know it and i know it and anyone who can read can see it for themselves!

Provide evidence for this alleged law, chapter and verse. Your misuse of Romans 7 addresses the law mediated by Moses, and it was used by the original author to show that a claim of belonging to both the law and to Jesus Christ is adultery.

When Scripture is shown to you, a reason is found to dismiss it. You never answered my request from over four years ago, and your post misses the challenge of the OP as well.

 

[JohnRabbit]

You're posting facts from scripture but your comments are ignoring the truths. Ex 31:13 says, that sabbath is a sign exclussively between God and the children of Israel. That truth is far from being a creation institution for the world.

Ex31:16-17 restates the same facts and declares that Sabbath is a covenant. A covenant is a binding agreement between two or more people. Scriptures reenforces that Gentiles nations were strangers to God's covenants.

In Eze 20:20 God declares to whom the Sabbath was made with. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind, that a creation sabbath is a myth that contradicts God's claim.

the facts of scripture that I pointed out was to expose the errant statement that you made, which was that the Sabbath was a sign of God's rest!

so, to whom God made the Sabbath was not even the issue that I was addressing!

I said that the Sabbath was a sign that God is God - Creator, and it was not what you said - a sign of God's rest!


you need to pay attention to what you are posting!



and no creation Sabbath?

so when was the Sabbath made? (please don't show your ignorance and say at Sinai! )

 

[VictorC]

The Sabbath was instituted in earth at it's creation to Adam and Eve and to all their posterity for all eternity.

I must tell you and all, the new covenant was not to change the immutable law in no way.

It is impossible to take you seriously when all you can do is repeat claims already proven wrong.

...they all must admit of the seventh day being God's Sabbath as none Truly have a valid scripture to show that God who changeth not has changed it.

This is the third time I've seen you use this straw man fallacy. No one has any obligation to address a point that isn't even valid.

I'm not among those who claim that the Mosaic covenant Law changed in essence, seeing that Hebrews 7:12 suggests a change in location (or, jurisdiction) as the Greek metatithemi is used to declare a 'change' in the Law according to Hebrews 7:12, consistent with the context. See the Blue Letter Bible for how this same term is used in other passages.

Your fallacy of confusing the Creator with His temporal creation remains in variance with Scripture declaring how the first covenant changed in jurisdiction, and not in content.

• The Law ordained in the first covenant demanded change (Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• It was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

You affirm the immutable nature of the old covenant Law, and yet forgot that there isn't a commandment anywhere given to us to observe the unholy rendition you've replaced the Sabbath with.

James just didn't mention the 4'th as all at that time were keeping it and had no idea of using the Sunday in it's place and the 4'th reads,

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

You're already on record as admitting that you don't keep the Sabbath Holy according to the Law, as I explained in my first post to you yesterday. There is no commandment anywhere to keep the Sabbath unholy, you've already admitted that the Sabbath shares the same disposition God exercised on the Mosaic covenant, and now you're trying to insert nonsense to fill in the silence the Biblical authors chose to write. This reveals a dedication to replace Scripture with your agenda that can't be reconciled with God's Word.

And for the fourth time, you've repeated the straw man fallacy that Sunday replaced the Sabbath. It did not. We don't have the Sabbath, and no one can 'change' an entity that doesn't exist within their tenure. You've already admitted we don't have the Sabbath outside the Mosaic covenant, and yet once again you couldn't help yourself but to repeat the Mosaic covenant as if it conveys a commandment outside of Judaism. It doesn't.

You can find uninspired opinions that claim to change the Sabbath, but none of them explain how they resurrected this component that depends on the Mosaic covenant to exist. It is bogus, and Sunday Sabbatarianism is as equally incompatible with Christianity as Saturday Sabbatarianism. Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist except in your tortured imagination. We have the liberty to assemble at any time, and we extend that same liberty to those who want to assemble on Saturday. Sunday became the common tradition for the reason our Lord chose the first day of the week to meet with us.

John 20
19 Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.​

We're always glad to see the Lord, and we remember the first experience when we saw Him after His resurrection. In no way does this convey the Sabbath forward to those God redeemed as His purchased possession.

Gibs is the person who claims the old covenant changed in content, not others, and doesn't recognize the change in jurisdiction obtained via Christ's redemption.

 

[VictorC]

the facts of scripture that I pointed out was to expose the errant statement that you made, which was that the Sabbath was a sign of God's rest!

so, to whom God made the Sabbath was not even the issue that I was addressing!

Why not? That is the point made in the OP.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Non sequitur: drawing a fictitious origin of the Sabbath from a passage wherein Jesus declared the Sabbath was made for man (it wasn't God's rest) and omitting His decree that He is Lord of the Sabbath (He is the sovereign owner of the Sabbath, following from the fact that it wasn't made for God and doesn't pertain to Him). Your opinion has no relation to Scripture. The Sabbath didn't exist during the lifetime of Adam, and you didn't respond to the previous post quoting from Exodus 31, where the Sabbath was an exclusive sign and covenant made with the children of Israel.

I looked up my notes. This has been how your posts have been over the course of more than four years! Just an example:

When Scripture is shown to you, a reason is found to dismiss it. You never answered my request from over four years ago, and your post misses the challenge of the OP as well.

hi VictorC!

haven't heard from you in a while.

with that said, thanks for putting your "two cents" in and distorting what I said.


like Cribstyl, you need to pay attention and look at what I addressed!


I talked about the sign and showed from what God said it is!


and perhaps you can tell me when the Sabbath was made, enlighten me!

 

[JohnRabbit]

Why not? That is the point made in the OP.

again, pay attention Vic!

gotta get back to work!

 

[VictorC]

again, pay attention Vic!

gotta get back to work!

It would have taken fewer words to answer my simple question. I have to supply my own reason for your diversion to this thread, and I'm sure you wouldn't like the reason I've come to conclude.