Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

[FredVB]

One who is God is the Supreme Being, this is what being God means. This is not, with being trinity, that is, being triune, having three beings for God. God is still one Being. Though some have confusion about this, proper trinitarianism is monotheistic.

Yahweh is God, and that name is his, Yahweh is also being revealed as three persons. That name is revealed, to be remembered, for all generations. If that hasn't been done, it does not change that it is right to do, God having said it. That many people use the word for God does not mean they all worship the true God.

The Jews who believe their scriptures do not have the Christians' new testament contradicting them, so it is the same God revealing them. Muslims have the wrong ideas about God, "Allah" as a word may be used for God, and there are the Arabic speaking Christians who do, this isn't a problem, except for any who will make this a problem. And some who are Muslim may say "Allah" is the name, rather than the word for God, they though do not know the true God, as what they know from the Quran has all the contradictions with what is revealed through the Bible, including what is said about Yahweh God. Both, the Bible and the Quran, cannot be from the same one God, only one would be. The Bible is the one from God with basis for seeing that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Lion King

I respectfully disagree.

According to the teachings of the Scriptures, those who reject Jesus as the Messiah are not considered as God's children (Jews included).

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
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I agree

If you edit the word "children", replacing it with;"chosen, elect" or about twenty other words, I would agree completely. Can't do it with the word children. We are His whether we accept Him or not..........

Blame it on the Jewish rulers:

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS VS THE PHARISEES AND JEWISH RULERS

Matt 3:9
"And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’
for I tell you, God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham."

LUKE 16:
30 "And he said, 'Nay father Abraham!
but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

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[sculleywr]

You mean you'll become angels of God? In Islam humans have freewill, natural freedom - the freedom of choice for the Will. The Angels do not - they are programmed by God to do His Will. In Islam - Satan is not from the Angels - He is a Jinn (another creation of God) that was elevated to the status of the king of the angels by his piety.

In Orthodoxy, and Baptist circles from which I converted to Orthodoxy from, Satan is an angel. According to this understanding of Scripture, there was a time when the angels had free will to make a one time choice. Once they had made that choice, they were locked into it for life

Why should Islam also be wrong? Can you explain why you think we believe in all the alleged scriptures of Jesus Christ, because we don't? SO we can neglect any false prophecies as fabricated and falsely attributed to Christ.

Well, firstly, Islam reinvented Christ's story. Among other things, it says that He did not die upon the Cross. Islam asks that I believe one man who came hundreds of years later, rather than the dozens of corroborating sources within only a generation of Christ.

Also, Orthodoxy has a direct lineage back to the Apostles, and through the Apostles, to Christ.

Yes you should have returned to Judaism. You'll failed the test. That's why we believe Jesus would return again - not only to fulfill God's will on earth but also to forcefully be the Messiah - this time not so weak. That's one of the reasons Islam was revealed.

So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from God ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. 2:79

Let's play a thought game here. What if Muhammad was writing "scripture" with his own hands and saying "this is from God"? There are evidences of this:

1. Failed prophecies in the Qur'an are pretty easily testable. One prophecy in S 30:2-4 states that the Roman Empire was defeated now, but would be victorious within "Bidh'un." Well, that word means between 3 and 9 years. But it took 14 years for the Eastern Roman Empire to defeat the Persians.

2. As I said before, we don't know which Qur'an is truly from God because of the variants. Among Shiite and Sunni circles, investigation of these variants is highly discouraged, because the Qur'an was supposedly given directly by God. So which textual version of the Qur'an is the perfect Qur'an?

3. It is also too convenient that a story about Christ that differed substantially from the standard could be true without having left some historical mark. Christian Scriptures can face up to the test of corroboration. There are letters written from both Christian and pagan sources that corroborate the story of Christ according to the New Testament.

4. The Islamic version of Christ does not match up completely to the Jewish picture, either. The Jewish Scriptures prophecy that Christ would defeat death in His coming. But without Jesus dying, there is no sacrifice through which death could be defeated.


Now, the other reason that portion of the Qur'an doesn't apply is because none of the Apostles were intending to write Scripture. There is evidence, in fact, that they had no idea that what they were writing would be taken and made into Scripture, such as Paul's saying "I think I have the Spirit". They were writing letters to guide the churches they wrote to. They didn't even say it was from God. It was the Church that recognized this, because the Church is the Body of Christ.

 

[Lion King]

If you edit the word "children", replacing it with;"chosen, elect" or about twenty other words, I would agree completely. Can't do it with the word children. We are His whether we accept Him or not.

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Mankind isn't given a choice as to rather do this or not. You can do it now or later.

Incorrect.

There are two types of people on earth; children of God (Light) and children of the Devil (Darkness).

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. 1 John 3:9-10

 

[bbbbbbb]

Save me from Satan and from my own self. Saves me from Hell. Saves me from His Anger and guides me to His Mercy.

How does he save you? Does he simply look the other way about things like His Anger? Does he save all Muslims or only some Muslims?

 

[Lion King]

In Orthodoxy, and Baptist circles from which I converted to Orthodoxy from, Satan is an angel. According to this understanding of Scripture, there was a time when the angels had free will to make a one time choice. Once they had made that choice, they were locked into it for life.

Which part of the Scriptures teaches angels no longer have free will?

 

[sculleywr]

Which part of the Scriptures teaches angels no longer have free will?

While there aren't any that say they don't, there are evidences that the fallen ones cannot change and that the ones that haven't fallen will not, as they are subject to Christ.

 

[Lion King]

While there aren't any that say they don't, there are evidences that the fallen ones cannot change and that the ones that haven't fallen will not, as they are subject to Christ.

Can you provide such evidence?

 

[sculleywr]

Can you provide such evidence?

I peter 1:9 says they are subject to Christ. It is implied that the Angels stay that way

 

[Lion King]

I peter 1:9 says they are subject to Christ. It is implied that the Angels stay that way

for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9

I don't see it? Are you sure you got the right verse?

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Incorrect.

There are two types of people on earth; children of God (Light) and children of the Devil (Darkness).

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. 1 John 3:9-10

Who's speaking of earth? I'm speaking of eternity. It's not the devil men will face at the judgement.

 

[sculleywr]

for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9 I don't see it? Are you sure you got the right verse?

Not right now, since I'm at the plasma center instead of home. It might have been II peter. I do know it was in Peter.

 

[Lion King]

Who's speaking of earth? I'm speaking of eternity. It's not the devil men will face at the judgement.

I don't understand you, sometimes.

 

[Lion King]

Not right now, since I'm at the plasma center instead of home. It might have been II peter. I do know it was in Peter.

Fair enough.

Anyway, I personally believe all angels, whether good or bad, are under Christ's control, and have always been since their creation.

 

[pshun2404]

Their god says he has no son...! Nuf said....

 

[pshun2404]

I peter 1:9 says they are subject to Christ. It is implied that the Angels stay that way

Satan and his cohorts did not...they rebelled....(rebellion requires freedom of will)

 

[Mama Kidogo]

I don't understand you, sometimes.

I'm speaking in the English tongue. I'm saying we belong to the Creator whether we like it or not. It is He who judges us. We are His creation. Accepting or denying it does not change the truth.

 

[Lion King]

I'm speaking in the English tongue. I'm saying we belong to the Creator whether we like it or not. It is He who judges us. We are His creation. Accepting or denying it does not change the truth.

Ok. So why did you object when I claimed that those who reject Jesus as the Messiah are not considered God's children?


PS. Not everyone belongs to God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Their god says he has no son...! Nuf said....

Or partners, whatever the heck that means....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...as+no+partners+christianforums&hl=en&&ct=clnk

99 names of allah or whatever

Originally Posted by Skillganon

Muhhamed did not reject Jesus (and it's funny you keep mentioning Christ but do you know what it mean's), he know's Jesus is a prophet of God, like all the other prophet.
OF course Jesus claim to being a God is blasphemy, he has no partners. & you can keep giving you'r concept to explain trinity.
I muslim cannot obviously accept Jesus as God, that will be against the teaching of oneness God.

One should think Islam reject christianity at is core (trinity)
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[Archie the Preacher]

I must say No, they are not the same, or even different names for the same underlying concept.

The Muslim concept of Allah is certainly similar to the Creator God of the Jews and Christians, but self-identifies and shows a difference in several ways.

Probably the most obvious manner is Islam denies the God head NEVER sacrificed himself to pay for mankind's sin. Man must 'work' out his own salvation by actions and certain rituals. (Giving alms is one, killing Christians is another.)

A secondary, but obvious difference is as a non-Triune being. Allah is only one.

Another, probably less conspicuous difference is that Allah can change his mind about things from day to day. The Creator God of the Jews and Christians is the same, constant being from eternity unto eternity.

Since the religion of Islam started in the 7th Century or so, I would speculate that Allah is based on the real God (who has been known and worshiped much longer). Which explains the similarities - all powerful and creator - and the differences - edit out the part not desired.