The Arabic "nun" - supporting our Christian brothers and sisters

[LittleLambofJesus]

France has offered refugee status to all Iraqi Christians.

Where are they going to put them?


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[Nik0s]

Where are they going to put them?


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Le' arc de triomphe?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Very excellent points as it concerns the ways that others may ended up stepping into a situation they didn't really want to be in but that seemed wise at the time...only for it to harm them later on. The nationalism present with groups that are fleeing persecution and the ways that other groups later persecute those who fled to them on the basis of their own nationalism...that cannot be ignored.
More than understand where you're coming from and agree..

It does clarify the reluctance on one hand and the need for understanding on the other.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

It does clarify the reluctance on one hand and the need for understanding on the other.

If nothing else, it reminds of the point that Humans are Humans...and make mistakes

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

If nothing else, it reminds of the point that Humans are Humans...and make mistakes

True dat ... as others posters have pointed out that's just a part of the political, social and economic differences that the region has to deal with. And that's just for those refugees that are relying on local help from the persecutions. I'm not sure what's being done for those that are leaving the area. Yesterday's news includes what was given to some that they in turn used against others to produce the conditions that exist today. Holding on to the past has never made a way for the future.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

True dat ... as others posters have pointed out that's just a part of the political, social and economic differences that the region has to deal with. And that's just for those refugees that are relying on local help from the persecutions. I'm not sure what's being done for those that are leaving the area. Yesterday's news includes what was given to some that they in turn used against others to produce the conditions that exist today. Holding on to the past has never made a way for the future.

Others are seeking to do much in order to change the situations for the better. For reference, one can go to Crisis Response International – Crisis In Iraq and Learning to love the 'enemy' in Iraq – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

As said there:

"There is a lesson to learn from the fatwa that called for our death: It’s not violence or pre-emptive strikes that terrify the terrorists. They need violence to be done against them to justify their cause.

But pre-emptive love — shown through heart surgeries or simple hospitality — upends our simplistic stories and threatens hatred everywhere."


Or, in the words of the fatwa issued against our work: “We must stop [these heart surgeries] lest it lead our children and their parents to love their enemies!”​

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

While it may be true that most of the population of christians under attack are Catholic I'm sure that makes no difference to those attacking ... christian is christian to them. However I think it should be pointed out that it's more than just Islamic extremists at the root of the problem as this link to catholic news suggests

What's Really Behind the Persecution of Christians in the Middle East? / OrthoChristian.Com

From the link
Palestinian Christians beg us not to "exploit [their] sufferings to fuel some islamophobic tendencies and negative images about Islam. Indeed, this is what the Israeli occupation persistently tries to do. It demonizes Islam in a way that deflects blame from the repression levied by the state itself."

Others are seeking to do much in order to change the situations for the better. For reference, one can go to Crisis Response International – Crisis In Iraq and Learning to love the 'enemy' in Iraq – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
"There is a lesson to learn from the fatwa that called for our death: It’s not violence or pre-emptive strikes that terrify the terrorists. They need violence to be done against them to justify their cause.

But pre-emptive love — shown through heart surgeries or simple hospitality — upends our simplistic stories and threatens hatred everywhere."


Or, in the words of the fatwa issued against our work: “We must stop [these heart surgeries] lest it lead our children and their parents to love their enemies!”

As said there:

That seems to be the message that the Christians want sent and really the only biblical Christian answer. To truly conquer an enemy the only way is to make them your friend.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

That seems to be the message that the Christians want sent and really the only biblical Christian answer. To truly conquer an enemy the only way is to make them your friend.

As it concerns the way that Muslims have often NOT fitted the stereotypes others have had and how often discussion and dialogue has made a world of difference, I'd highly suggest investigating the book entitled "Waging Peace on Islam" Waging Peace on Islam... | 89.9 LightFM

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Christine Mallouhi, in her book Waging Peace on Islam , (more here, and here ), shared the story of St. Francis of Assisi, who during the height of the Crusades traveled to Egypt and visited the Sultan Kamil (the nephew of the great Islamic leader Saladin). Francis came in humility and peace, in contrast to the conquering Crusaders. His approach and attitude so impressed the Muslim Sultan that he invited Francis to send his Little Brothers throughout his territory. It is out of this experience that we have perhaps Francis’s wisest counsel: “Preach the Gospel at all times, and if necessary, use words.” He saw the dignity of God in every Muslim person. Such grace toward Muslims was radical in his day, and still is in ours..


As noted before, with regards to the rise of Radical Islam, I do find it relevant that many have noted that it tends to rise in areas where there's high impoverishment of communities/neglect and others who were turned off by what has been represented in Western Christianity.

As noted best elsewhere, "In Egypt, the Fundamentalists are recruited mostly from active youth in their twenties and thirties. They are university students and graduates who tend to be conscientious and ambitious. Furthermore, most of these recruits spent their childhood in villages and little
towns. Ahmad agrees that Fundamen- talism in Egypt is most appealing to these groups." Amazingly, many who went into Extreme Radical Islam came from backgrounds where they were either struggling with socioeconomic realities that were left unaddressed and thus the promise of spiritual blessings for giving their lives became appealing....or others were exchange students who saw A LOT of the ways that Western Culture/Western Christianity (very akin to the Crusades in their view) came in/demonized all in their world. One story I read about was heart-breaking when hearing of an exchange student who came over and was mistreated from day one, with other believers fearing him simply because of the Islamic background he grew up in---and others doing other things to him that made him feel that being a believer didn't really lead to one having concern for others.

For more, one can investigate A Christian Perspective on Islam and Terrorism by Rick Love, PhD (the International Director of Frontiers ).

From the link
Palestinian Christians beg us not to "exploit [their] sufferings to fuel some islamophobic tendencies and negative images about Islam. Indeed, this is what the Israeli occupation persistently tries to do. It demonizes Islam in a way that deflects blame from the repression levied by the state itself."

I remember the link from earlier - and indeed, it is a valid point. Many often see what is happening with Islamist persecution of Christians and then superimpose that onto ALL Muslims - claiming they are concerned for the persecuted and yet they ignore the ways persecution DOES arise for others in the process when inciting violence since many Palestinian or Arabic Christians have noted the peace they have fought to have with Muslims and how their Muslims friends end up being harmed by the rest of the world because they are not represented well....

 

[Gxg (G²)]

True dat ... as others posters have pointed out that's just a part of the political, social and economic differences that the region has to deal with.

Some of this was noted earlier as it concerns the ways that it seems even Iraqi Christians have ignored the plights of other minority groups and thus they need to be seen with consideration (as is the case with what occurred with Black Iraqis and the racism they have faced from all sides it seems - more shared in
#133 and #138 )

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I'm not sure what's being done for those that are leaving the area. Yesterday's news includes what was given to some that they in turn used against others to produce the conditions that exist today. Holding on to the past has never made a way for the future.

A lot of what happens in our times with the the past being held to can also be impacted with others not really understanding the past as it was....nor knowing the present which will impact the future.

Sadly, now Iraq's Yazidi population is at risk of extinction.

• Iraqi Yazidis stranded on isolated mountaintop begin to die of thirst - The Washington Post

 

[WisdomTree]

I hope all this debacles doesn't result in the extermination of the Nestorians...

 

[SolomonVII]

Where are they going to put them?


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I don't know. I just heard the news on a internet program, and thought it was worthwhile to note that the French are the ones that are taking notice, in spite of all their economic problems.
France took charge in Mali too, and rescued that country from terrorists.

It is worthwhile to note who is taking responsibility and moral leadership in the world today.

It's the French.

 

[SolomonVII]

I hope all this debacles doesn't result in the extermination of the Nestorians...

I am quite sure that a lot of these eastern churches have aligned themselves with the RCC, even though they practice their Christianity very differently than elsewhere.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

A lot of what happens in our times with the the past being held to can also be impacted with others not really understanding the past as it was....nor knowing the present which will impact the future.

Sadly, now Iraq's Yazidi population is at risk of extinction.

• Iraqi Yazidis stranded on isolated mountaintop begin to die of thirst - The Washington Post

I watched a movie tonight about a village that had been half muslim and half christian living together for years and suddenly at war with each other. But it was mild compared to the reality. All those people forced from their homes, it's far beyond only christianity being attacked. I have to admit ignorance and bewilderment as to the final count and what it means to the people there.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I hope all this debacles doesn't result in the extermination of the Nestorians...

Likewise. The history behind the Nestorian Church is truly rich and they have survived so much, even though times have been very rough for them over the past couple of decades ..and considering what the centuries have brought them since they began, the fact that they are still here is astounding enough:

• Genocides Against the Assyrian Nation

• Jonah, the Whale, the Assyrians, Christianity and Islam

• ASSYRIANS IN IRAQ - Assyrian International News Agency

 

[~Anastasia~]

I don't know. I just heard the news on a internet program, and thought it was worthwhile to note that the French are the ones that are taking notice, in spite of all their economic problems.
France took charge in Mali too, and rescued that country from terrorists.

It is worthwhile to note who is taking responsibility and moral leadership in the world today.

It's the French.

I was thinking earlier that the "refugees" may prove to be a great blessing to those who take them in.

I actually have space in my home right now ... though from a practical standpoint I know that's just wishful thinking.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I watched a movie tonight about a village that had been half muslim and half christian living together for years and suddenly at war with each other. But it was mild compared to the reality. All those people forced from their homes, it's far beyond only christianity being attacked. I have to admit ignorance and bewilderment as to the final count and what it means to the people there.

Curious as to what movie in specific you were watching as I'd want to see it as well for the sake of being informed. It is sad to see how they got a lot and yet came a part suddenly, from what you described.

Indeed, it's far beyond Christianity that has been attacked - many minority groups have suffered since before the onslaught of the ISIS and there needs to be caution that Christians don't just speak of the evils of persecution when it comes to other believers...as all men are made in the Image of God.

And with the persecution, I do hope that it ceases - it had actually begun to spread into Lebanon:

• ISIS Marches On (And The Saudis Are Getting Nervous) | Zero Hedge

• ISIS just took a town in Lebanon. Wait, Lebanon? - Vox

• ISIS extends control into Lebanon, threatens 500,000 with captured Iraqi dam « Hot Air

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Curious as to what movie in specific you were watching as I'd want to see it as well for the sake of being informed. It is sad to see how they got a lot and yet came a part suddenly, from what you described.

Indeed, it's far beyond Christianity that has been attacked - many minority groups have suffered since before the onslaught of the ISIS and there needs to be caution that Christians don't just speak of the evils of persecution when it comes to other believers...as all men are made in the Image of God.

And with the persecution, I do hope that it ceases - it had actually begun to spread into Lebanon:

• ISIS Marches On (And The Saudis Are Getting Nervous) | Zero Hedge

• ISIS just took a town in Lebanon. Wait, Lebanon? - Vox

• ISIS extends control into Lebanon, threatens 500,000 with captured Iraqi dam « Hot Air

It was called "Where Do We Go Now? While their men fight a war, the women of a Lebanese village band together to denounce the clash of Islamic and Christian beliefs". It was subtitled and a bit corny but I wanted to get a feel of how they co-existed

 

[prodromos]

Darn it! I have tried several times to add the Arabic "nun" to my signature and it never shoes up on my posts. It shows up in the preview when I edit my profile but I never see it on my posts .

Possibly been on CF long enough to become fossilised.

 

[WisdomTree]

Darn it! I have tried several times to add the Arabic "nun" to my signature and it never shoes up on my posts. It shows up in the preview when I edit my profile but I never see it on my posts .

Possibly been on CF long enough to become fossilised.

Well, you are reaching your fifties.