Why the United States people and International community needs to support Israel

[GarfieldJL]

I'm going to be very blunt, right now people running around bashing Israel is just encouraging more violence, and it is supporting Hamas.

I know the images of dead children is heart-wrenching and pulls at your emotional heartstrings, I understand that, if you didn't feel that way, something is probably wrong with you. That being said, people are letting their emotions blind them from what is really going on, and you're only encouraging more children to be killed.

When you and I look at dead children, we're horrified, but when Hamas looks at dead children, they celebrate it because it means they have more fodder for propaganda.

When people condemn Israel over the deaths of Palestinian Children, they only encourage Hamas to keep using children as human shields, that's right the condemnations towards Israel is encouraging Hamas to use more children as human shields.

So instead of bashing Israel, people need to be voicing outrage at the behavior of Hamas, if using dead children as fodder for propaganda is no longer viable for them, I seriously believe we'd be seeing a lot fewer Palestinian Children being killed.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Hamas needs to renounce violence.

Satan has always hated the ancestral line through whom the Lord Jesus came into the world.

Jews today are mainly veiled from understanding the Gospel, while Gentiles are within the scope of the day of grace.

 

[High Fidelity]

I don't think people are all bashing Israel, but people need to stop assuming Israel isn't at fault in certain areas.

There's no way of progressing until either one side is wiped out or both sides are willing to accept faults and make concessions.

People that tell themselves Israel hasn't done wrong are lying to themselves.

 

[GondwanaLand]

I'm going to be very blunt, right now people running around bashing Israel is just encouraging more violence, and it is supporting Hamas.

I know the images of dead children is heart-wrenching and pulls at your emotional heartstrings, I understand that, if you didn't feel that way, something is probably wrong with you. That being said, people are letting their emotions blind them from what is really going on, and you're only encouraging more children to be killed.

When you and I look at dead children, we're horrified, but when Hamas looks at dead children, they celebrate it because it means they have more fodder for propaganda.

When people condemn Israel over the deaths of Palestinian Children, they only encourage Hamas to keep using children as human shields, that's right the condemnations towards Israel is encouraging Hamas to use more children as human shields.

So instead of bashing Israel, people need to be voicing outrage at the behavior of Hamas, if using dead children as fodder for propaganda is no longer viable for them, I seriously believe we'd be seeing a lot fewer Palestinian Children being killed.

I'm going to be very blunt - Israel's actions are unacceptable. Completely. Supporting them will only encourage their actions to continue like we've been doing as a country for years now. Israel needs to wake up and realise it is part of the international community and signatory to the Geneva conventions, and it does not magically get to ignore and break international humanitarian and human rights laws whenever they please.


And the whole "human shields" claim is dubious at best:

Debunking the Claim that Palestinians Use Civilians as "Human Shields" Washington's Blog

The Nation debunks the claim that Palestinians are using civilians as “human shields”This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.
International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.
In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

 

[GarfieldJL]

I'm going to be very blunt - Israel's actions are unacceptable. Completely. Supporting them will only encourage their actions to continue like we've been doing as a country for years now. Israel needs to wake up and realise it is part of the international community and signatory to the Geneva conventions, and it does not magically get to ignore and break international humanitarian and human rights laws whenever they please.

Hamas is committing War Crimes by firing rockets from Hospitals, schools, residential areas, etc. They are turning those locations into military targets, on purpose.

And the whole "human shields" claim is dubious at best:

Debunking the Claim that Palestinians Use Civilians as "Human Shields" Washington's Blog

All I've seen thus far is your sources have proven not to be credible...

Hamas Spokesperson Encourages Use of Human Shield - YouTube

Kinda hard to argue that Hamas isn't using Human Shields, when they are publicly encouraging people to be human shields, and the video ends up posted on youtube, isn't it?

Thane Rosenbaum: Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy - WSJ

 

[GondwanaLand]

Hamas is committing War Crimes by firing rockets from Hospitals, schools, residential areas, etc. They are turning those locations into military targets, on purpose.



All I've seen thus far is your sources have proven not to be credible...

Hamas Spokesperson Encourages Use of Human Shield - YouTube

Kinda hard to argue that Hamas isn't using Human Shields, when they are publicly encouraging people to be human shields, and the video ends up posted on youtube, isn't it?

Thane Rosenbaum: Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy - WSJ

So you've got nothing gotcha.

 

[Hentenza]

• Prospects for peace in the Middle East have been dealt an enormous blow by the election triumph of Hamas in January 2006. Palestinian education, television shows, websites, and even families are all being mobilized in an intensified environment of agitated hatred toward Israel and Israelis.
• Even prior to the Hamas election victory, anti-Israel rhetoric was already embedded in Palestinian school textbooks and other educational materials, and ideas such as romanticizing martyrdom and “reconquering” the land were taught in the classroom. Bitter hostility towards Israel’s very existence is currently woven into the entire Palestinian educational system.
• UNRWA educational institutions are controlled by individuals committed to Hamas ideology and they are educating terrorists. Numerous terrorist operatives and Hamas political leaders have been educated in UNRWA schools.
• The idea of martyrdom has become so ingrained in Palestinian culture that it is a major theme in religious practice, television broadcasting, posters, pre-suicide eulogies, summer camps, children’s trading cards, movies, music, and games.

• Palestinian newspapers report that the number of children who express a willingness to become martyrs exceeds 70 percent. Palestinian psychiatrist Dr. Shafiq Massalha, after finding that over half the Palestinian population aged 6 to 11 dream of becoming suicide bombers, concludes that the next generation of Palestinians will be a very murderous population full of anger and hatred.

The raison d’etre of Hamas – the Islamic Resistance Movement, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, is the complete annihilation of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in its place. Prospects for peace in the Middle East have been dealt an enormous blow by the election triumph of Hamas in January 2006. Palestinian education, television shows, websites, and even families are all being mobilized in an intensified environment of agitated hatred toward Israel and Israelis.

Read more at: Hamas' Determination to Perpetuate the Israel-Palestinian Conflict: The Critical Role of Hate Indoctrination, by Justus Reid Weiner and Noam Weissman - BDS News - SPME Scholars for Peace in the Middle East

 

[GarfieldJL]

So you've got nothing gotcha.

I really hate repeating myself...

Hamas Spokesperson Encourages Use of Human Shield - YouTube

Kinda hard to argue that Hamas isn't using Human Shields, when they are publicly encouraging people to be human shields, and the video ends up posted on youtube, isn't it?

The fact you have a spokesman for Hamas encouraging people to serve as human shields to protect rocket launch sites, completely undermines your source's claim.

The fact is, that in that video, Hamas basically admitted that they use civilians as human shields.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I really hate repeating myself...


The fact you have a spokesman for Hamas encouraging people to serve as human shields to protect rocket launch sites, completely undermines your source's claim.

The fact is, that in that video, Hamas basically admitted that they use civilians as human shields.

You say the Hamas spokesman is “encouraging people to serve as human shields to protect rocket launch sites”.

Yet the Hamas spokesman is actually saying “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in order to protect their HOMES, I believe this strategy is proving itself.”

Nothing about rocket launch sites in your video. Did you post the wrong video?

 

[GondwanaLand]

You say the Hamas spokesman is “encouraging people to serve as human shields to protect rocket launch sites”.

Yet the Hamas spokesman is actually saying “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in order to protect their HOMES, I believe this strategy is proving itself.”

Nothing about rocket launch sites in your video. Did you post the wrong video?

Those pesky fact thingies!

 

[GarfieldJL]

You say the Hamas spokesman is “encouraging people to serve as human shields to protect rocket launch sites”.

Yet the Hamas spokesman is actually saying “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in order to protect their HOMES, I believe this strategy is proving itself.”

Nothing about rocket launch sites in your video. Did you post the wrong video?

From the video and I quote: "And we, Hamas call on people to adopt this practice."

So yeah they are encouraging people to serve as human shields, contrast that with the Israelis that tell their civilians to get to the nearest bomb shelter and we see who really cares about the lives of their civilian populace.

Also:
Egyptian TV Hosts Slam Hamas Leaders: We Are Sick and Tired of You - YouTube

It's interesting that Egypt is slamming Hamas rather than Israel.

Those pesky fact thingies!

From the video and I quote: "And we, Hamas call on people to adopt this practice."

 

[Sistrin]

I don't think people are all bashing Israel, but people need to stop assuming Israel isn't at fault in certain areas.

Israel is using its weapons to protect its people. Hamas is using its people to protect its weapons. There is no more clear example of good verses evil than the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

There's no way of progressing until either one side is wiped out or both sides are willing to accept faults and make concessions.

What concessions can you make with the devil?

People that tell themselves Israel hasn't done wrong are lying to themselves.

Which justifies what, exactly?

You say the Hamas spokesman is “encouraging people to serve as human shields to protect rocket launch sites”.

Yet the Hamas spokesman is actually saying “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in order to protect their HOMES, I believe this strategy is proving itself.”

Garfield has already posted this, but I will as well. Quote:

"And we, Hamas call on people to adopt this practice."

That is a clear call for the people to serve as human shields.

So yeah they are encouraging people to serve as human shields, contrast that with the Israelis that tell their civilians to get to the nearest bomb shelter and we see who really cares about the lives of their civilian populace.

Quite correct.

 

[Profane]

Support Israel with what? They have the Iron Dome protecting them, making sure not a single missile can hit them..... they have a better army, better technology, a better position, a better economy then their enemies....

This is basically a man wearing bullet-proof armor beating up a midget, I don't see why we have to go out of our way to help the side that's by no means the underdog.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

From the video and I quote: "And we, Hamas call on people to adopt this practice."

So yeah they are encouraging people to serve as human shields, contrast that with the Israelis that tell their civilians to get to the nearest bomb shelter and we see who really cares about the lives of their civilian populace.

Also:
Egyptian TV Hosts Slam Hamas Leaders: We Are Sick and Tired of You - YouTube

It's interesting that Egypt is slamming Hamas rather than Israel.



From the video and I quote: "And we, Hamas call on people to adopt this practice."

To protect their HOMES!

To protect their HOMES!

To protect their HOMES!

To protect their HOMES!

To protect theirHOMES!

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Support Israel with what? They have the Iron Dome protecting them, making sure not a single missile can hit them..... they have a better army, better technology, a better position, a better economy then their enemies....

This is basically a man wearing bullet-proof armor beating up a midget, I don't see why we have to go out of our way to help the side that's by no means the underdog.

It is also like a man using a shotgun with buckshot to kill mosquitos.

 

[hedrick]

The US doesn't have to take positions on every conflict. Both sides are doing unacceptable things. In my view the need to Do Something made things worse in Iran and Iraq. We should be a voice for peace, and be helpful when we can be. I would avoid attacking Israel without doing something about Hamas also, but I think it would be best just not to take any public position.

 

[faroukfarouk]

From the video and I quote: "And we, Hamas call on people to adopt this practice."

So yeah they are encouraging people to serve as human shields, contrast that with the Israelis that tell their civilians to get to the nearest bomb shelter and we see who really cares about the lives of their civilian populace.

Also:
Egyptian TV Hosts Slam Hamas Leaders: We Are Sick and Tired of You - YouTube

It's interesting that Egypt is slamming Hamas rather than Israel.



From the video and I quote: "And we, Hamas call on people to adopt this practice."

Well, exactly; it speaks for itself.

Hamas needs to renounce violence.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Support Israel with what? They have the Iron Dome protecting them, making sure not a single missile can hit them..... they have a better army, better technology, a better position, a better economy then their enemies....

This is basically a man wearing bullet-proof armor beating up a midget, I don't see why we have to go out of our way to help the side that's by no means the underdog.

If you see a midget run up and attack someone wearing bullet-proof armor, generally one would wonder if the midget was high on some substance...

To protect their HOMES!

Except that isn't protecting their homes, that's just serving as canon fodder for Hamas' propaganda...

 

[Aryeh Jay]

If you see a midget run up and attack someone wearing bullet-proof armor, generally one would wonder if the midget was high on some substance...



Except that isn't protecting their homes, that's just serving as canon fodder for Hamas' propaganda...

Or they could be wondering what kind of psychopath needs to wear bullet proof armor to assault midgets…

 

[Aryeh Jay]

If you see a midget run up and attack someone wearing bullet-proof armor, generally one would wonder if the midget was high on some substance...



Except that isn't protecting their homes, that's just serving as canon fodder for Hamas' propaganda...

Are you saying that no Palestinian civilian homes have been destroyed by Israel?