How many have actually read The Great Controversy or The Desire of Ages...

[Targaryen]

No I'm not wearing a sign with the end is near written on it. End times are not my concern. I'm concerned about today. I'll concern myself with tomorrow when tomorrow comes if it comes.

The gospel is sufficient. I don't require a prophet to tell me what's lacking in them. I definitely don't need one who's entire ministry is devoted to tearing Catholicism down. Seems you do. So I'll just say, different strokes. If I need to follow Ellen to get into heaven, I've not yet found it in scripture.
Christ taught upon the Kingdom of heaven. Ellen teaches upon the Kingdom of the Antichrist being upon the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. I can't find much gospel in that. Especially when you keep changing which pope the Antichrist is depending on who's in power at the time. It's a very deceptive practice to be vague but accusatory at the same time .
I see a lot of preaching against and very little preaching for love.

 

[squint]

There is a difference between testing and mocking, a difference between humility to know the truth and arrogant presumption, for how shall we know?

All we have to do is consider the first two groups of soldiers that were sent to 'bring' Elijah down, in comparison with the 3rd...

As you know I also believe every Word of God, particularly His Law(s) remain fully valid to this day.

We all have our instinctive ways to tell truth from lie. Biblical tools are much more effective. There are more basic, almost instant litmus tests.

People who claim they are legal sinners or that they can sin without reproof under Grace have liar issues, regardless of their insight to the soldiers or armies engaged with Elijah.

I am not apt to buy religious whitewash applied on anyone's tomb in the Name of Jesus.

 

[squint]

I've even read some writings by L. Ron Hubbard. At least he could write even if it was all fiction.

Battlefield Earth is an excellent piece. The 10 book series, Mission Earth? What a letdown. I can't believe I devoted so much time to that series. Went from mediocre to a waste of time.

Scientology fwiw draws on some deeper underlying christian matters. I'm sure Hubbard stumbled into them from the dark side of his encounters in personal life. I doubt he even realized the correlations.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

No I'm not wearing a sign with the end is near written on it. End times are not my concern....

You do realize that the endtimes are today, and Jesus himself places a great emphasis in them, for He is looking to end all sin and rebellion. Look around you sister. Which of the signs, that Jesus mentioned would take place before he comes, would you like to see in the headline news?

These have already taken place historically:

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Revelation 6:12

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation 6:13

The Great Lisbon Earthquake 1 November 1755;

The great Dark Day May 19, 1780;

The Greatest Leonid Meteor Shower, Unprecedented November 12/13 1833 ...
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Other signs are already in the world...

Jesus said in regards his Second Coming, "Take ye heed, watch and pray..." Mark 13:33 and "Watch ye therefore..." Mark 13:35 and "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Mark 13:37
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Do you think Jesus was serious when He says it numerous times in a row? If you were to tell a child three times, would it be important?

Jesus said, "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors." Mark 13:29
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Those signs are already among you, even more rapid and intense... even as a woman about to give birth...

This is already happening:

And the gospel must first be published among all nations. Mark 13:10
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Judgement for the professed believers is taking place now, beginning with those that have fallen asleep in death, and will soon pass to the living, then probation closes for all:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Revelation 14:6

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14:7
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It does not say that they would all believe, but that it would be proclaimed to them...

Peter Himself warned of Present [Today] Truth, and said:

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. 2 Peter 1:12
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We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19
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Consider:

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:12
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What happens to those that are not discerning, careless of the words of Jesus Christ, in what he stated and what he is now even doing? They will be taken unawares, even as a thief, it will come upon them, and sudden destruction, not because they could not be saved/delivered from it, but because they chose to ignore the words and signs given them from Jesus...

As Jerusalem was a type then, again there will be destruction to come upon the whole world, because they knew not the time of their visitation, not that they could not know, but they refused to understand [Hosea 4:6]:

And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. Luke 19:44
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Sister, the doors to the Ark are closing [Revelation 11:19]. Get in.

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Luke 13:25

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1

"... for the last days." James 5:3

"... behold, the judge standeth before the door." James 5:9
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[Targaryen]

I've said it before...research amillennialism Or even preterism

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

I've said it before...research amillennialism Or even preterism

False doctrines of Rome, I have researched, and was Roman Catholic before...

 

[Targaryen]

it's not just a "doctrine of rome", it's the end times view of the majority of christians,regardless of denomination.

Lazy reasearch...what would Ellen White think of you.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

You do realize that the endtimes are today, and Jesus himself places a great emphasis in them, for He is looking to end all sin and rebellion. Look around you sister. Which of the signs, that Jesus mentioned would take place before he comes, would you like to see in the headline news?

These have already taken place historically:

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Revelation 6:12

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation 6:13

The Great Lisbon Earthquake 1 November 1755;

The great Dark Day May 19, 1780;

The Greatest Leonid Meteor Shower, Unprecedented November 12/13 1833 ...
​

Other signs are already in the world...

Jesus said in regards his Second Coming, "Take ye heed, watch and pray..." Mark 13:33 and "Watch ye therefore..." Mark 13:35 and "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Mark 13:37
​

Do you think Jesus was serious when He says it numerous times in a row? If you were to tell a child three times, would it be important?

Jesus said, "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors." Mark 13:29
​

Those signs are already among you, even more rapid and intense... even as a woman about to give birth...

This is already happening:

And the gospel must first be published among all nations. Mark 13:10
​

Judgement for the professed believers is taking place now, beginning with those that have fallen asleep in death, and will soon pass to the living, then probation closes for all:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Revelation 14:6

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14:7
​

It does not say that they would all believe, but that it would be proclaimed to them...

Peter Himself warned of Present [Today] Truth, and said:

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. 2 Peter 1:12
​

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19
​

Consider:

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:12
​

What happens to those that are not discerning, careless of the words of Jesus Christ, in what he stated and what he is now even doing? They will be taken unawares, even as a thief, it will come upon them, and sudden destruction, not because they could not be saved/delivered from it, but because they chose to ignore the words and signs given them from Jesus...

As Jerusalem was a type then, again there will be destruction to come upon the whole world, because they knew not the time of their visitation, not that they could not know, but they refused to understand [Hosea 4:6]:

And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. Luke 19:44
​

Sister, the doors to the Ark are closing [Revelation 11:19]. Get in.

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Luke 13:25

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1

"... for the last days." James 5:3

"... behold, the judge standeth before the door." James 5:9
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Well, in about an hour today will be over via the Jewish clock. I've heard this since I can remember. My mother said she heard it since she could remember. and her mother said the same.
So I'll set, pray and try to be ready. It's not like some fancy code or wisdom is going to change anything. Jesus will come when it's time.
The apostles were also convinced it would be in their lifetime. In a manner of speaking it was.
So If today is the day may he find me in prayer and with him on my mind. Life goes on in the meantime.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

I think I've still got time. The great national Sunday Law has not yet been fulfilled.
Yeah, I wasted time reading that one too.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

False doctrines of Rome, I have researched, and was Roman Catholic before...

Rome teaches partial preterism. How about full (without going into it as that's not permitted)

 

[prodromos]

Well, in about an hour today will be over via the Jewish clock. I've heard this since I can remember. My mother said she heard it since she could remember. and her mother said the same.
So I'll set, pray and try to be ready. It's not like some fancy code or wisdom is going to change anything. Jesus will come when it's time.
The apostles were also convinced it would be in their lifetime. In a manner of speaking it was.
So If today is the day may he find me in prayer and with him on my mind. Life goes on in the meantime.

Yep, we've been in the end times since the day of Pentecost. The signs have always been there.

 

[Targaryen]

Yep, we've been in the end times since the day of Pentecost. The signs have always been there.

Yeah well for some, they want to rush Jesus into the Second coming, rather then leaving the timing up to him to choose.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

I think I've still got time. The great national Sunday Law has not yet been fulfilled.
Yeah, I wasted time reading that one too.

When it does, may you have mercy from Heaven, and remember in that day everything that was said here.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

...The apostles were also convinced it would be in their lifetime....

Paul said,

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:3
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The great "apostasy" had to happen first, for Paul knew the prophecies of Daniel, and of Christ Jesus, etc. The "son of perdition" gets his "revealing" first, before Jesus in his "revealing".

Paul knew that the Roman Empire was withholding that spiritual wickedness, which was already surfacing in his day, when he said:

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 2 Thessalonians 2:6

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:7
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The "let" [hindrance] was the Roman Empire. And the "mystery of iniquity" was to grow in power and remain upon this earth until Jesus Himself, in His "revealing" took it out of the way. Read the context, see vs 8.

Read who will be deceived...

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:10

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a [Gr. lit. "the"] lie: 2 Thessalonians 2:11
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"The lie". What is it? The context declares "the lie" about the manner, etc of Jesus second advent, and when [generally, signs/events given] it was to occur, and what events were to come before it, in their order. That those which do not seek to understand will be [not might be] deceived.

Dangerous.

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:12
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Because they did not "believe" "the truth", they will believe "the lie".

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Yep, we've been in the end times since the day of Pentecost. ...

Indeed, but most people misunderstand the phrase.

The week of God is 7000 years [a day "with" God is as a 1000 years, hence Adam died in that first day, at 930 years of age]. In Jesus' day it was already the 4th Day [4000 years since creation]. The first half of the week of God was already over... hence the "last days" are the last 2 days, before the 7th Day [7000th year] arrives.

See the following - http://www.christianforums.com/t7790165/

Satan knew also:

"...he knoweth that he hath but a short time." Revelation 12:12
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[prodromos]

Indeed, but most people misunderstand the phrase

Yourself included apparently.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Yeah well for some, they want to rush Jesus into the Second coming, rather then leaving the timing up to him to choose.

Through His people and Angels, He Himself will cut short the time:

For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. Romans 9:28
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God is working upon His clock, but He will come sooner that the allotted time.

The people of God were given "commission" from God:

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:12

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14
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Here is the prayer of God's people:

"thy Kingdom come"...
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It will be no earthly buildup... but it cometh from Heaven...

For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. Hebrews 13:14
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That so-called 'eternal city of Rome' will fall, as will all the nations of the earth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Indeed, but most people misunderstand the phrase.

See the following - http://www.christianforums.com/t7790165/

Satan knew also:

"...he knoweth that he hath but a short time." Revelation 12:12
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That greek word is also used in conjuntion with the 7 kings in Reve 17.....Kewl!

Greek Lexicon :: G3641 (KJV)

Rev 17:10
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh, he must continue a short time G3641

3641. oligos ol-ee'-gos of uncertain affinity; puny (in extent, degree, number, duration or value); especially neuter (adverbially) somewhat:--+ almost, brief(-ly), few, (a) little, + long, a season, short, small, a while.

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[Targaryen]

That greek word is also used in conjuntion with the 7 kings in Reve 17.....Kewl!

Greek Lexicon :: G3641 (KJV)

Rev 17:10
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh, he must continue a short time G3641

3641. oligos ol-ee'-gos of uncertain affinity; puny (in extent, degree, number, duration or value); especially neuter (adverbially) somewhat:--+ almost, brief(-ly), few, (a) little, + long, a season, short, small, a while.

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I thank God for your presence in the forums LLOJ

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Rome teaches partial preterism. How about full (without going into it as that's not permitted)

Actually it depends on which person you are speaking to in Rome, and which source you are reading from them. It is a Jesuit systematically formulated doctrine, not meant to clarify anything, but simply misdirect one from its own identification -

"There has historically been general agreement with non-preterists that the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy was written by the Jesuit Luis de Alcasarhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_de_Alcasar during the Counter Reformation." [Link]
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Luis De Alcasar - [Link]

The history is clearly detailed here and documented - [Link]

The Greek Antiochus Epiphanes IV and Roman Emperor Nero [etc] do not fit the prophecies in numerous ways, and fall far short.

Rome teaches both Preterism [Antiochus IV and Nero] and Futurism [along with Amillennialism], all of which are not merely contradictory to one another, but also false, and incongruent with Scriptural prophecy and history.

Rome [Papacy] thought to change "times and laws", and those times are not merely God's chosen days, but also the prophecies dealing with time. Rome seeks to redirect all attention from its identification in Prophecy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_de_Alcasar