How many have actually read The Great Controversy or The Desire of Ages...

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For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. Habakkuk 2:3

The word of God gives dire warning to anyone which mock the sent messengers of God:

You know shiny, I've heard that line from so many believers when others disagree with them. The old 'touch not the Lords annointed' line.

Sorry to break this to you but Saturday church attendance never made anyone sinless nor will it be the basis of putting you on the 'right side' and everyone else not. Why? Because everyone is still a sinner regardless of how many religious cloaking devices are employed.

Honesty will probably play a much larger role in the events than Saturday church.

I doubt God in Christ will be calling too many liars to His Side.

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[Mama Kidogo]

The word of God gives dire warning to anyone which mock the sent messengers of God:

You have such a fancy way of saying , "shut up'.
And to think it took you 13 lines to say two words

 

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You know shiny, I've heard that line from so many believers when others disagree with them. The old 'touch not the Lords annointed' line.

Sorry to break this to you but Saturday church attendance never made anyone sinless nor will it be the basis of putting you on the 'right side' and everyone else not. Why? Because everyone is still a sinner regardless of how many religious cloaking devices are employed.

Honesty will probably play a much larger role in the events than Saturday church.

I doubt God in Christ will be calling too many liars to His Side.

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Its one of the defense that send me running. Anyone that uses it can't defend their doctrine. In short its a brow beater putting another down without taking physical or legal action. I can't and won't fellowship with such people.

 

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You have such a fancy way of saying , "shut up'.
And to think it took you 13 lines to say two words

They have to be wordy.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Has Shiny Gospel Shoes read every word in "Desire of Ages" and every word in "The Great Controversy"? Every last word?

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Has Shiny Gospel Shoes read every word in "Desire of Ages" and every word in "The Great Controversy"? Every last word?

Yep, coupla' times.

I really enjoyed going back over them, especially, the Desire of Ages on the last week of Jesus [about 20 Chapters or so].

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

You have such a fancy way of saying , "shut up'.
And to think it took you 13 lines to say two words

I said no such thing, but did 'say':

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Galatians 6:7
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[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Has anyone here read the 35th Chapter of The Great Controversy recently, as made mention here - http://www.christianforums.com/t7833904-14/#post66072557

or the 38th Chapter recently, as partially cited here - http://www.christianforums.com/t7833904-20/#post66084159

Is anyone looking to converse on the subjects therein, as they are dealing with events building, and even transpiring now, and will continue to unfold further.

The book is not merely about some historical event, but truly details that which is coming upon the whole earth, yes, the future, and even describes events taking place now. It should be easy to then test the things written of the now and of the future in it, as they now are taking place and as they come to pass, or not pass.

Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. John 13:19

And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. John 14:29
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Notice the very reason Jesus gave in the giving/foretelling of future events, so that we would believe ["...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin" Rom 14:23] that He is the "I AM", even He that declares "the end from the beginning" [see, Isa 46:9-10].

How much does the LORD do ...?

And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; Genesis 18:17​

Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7

"...Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper." 2 Chronicles 20:20​

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Has anyone here read the 35th Chapter of The Great Controversy recently, as made mention here - http://www.christianforums.com/t7833904-14/#post66072557

or the 38th Chapter recently, as partially cited here - http://www.christianforums.com/t7833904-20/#post66084159

Is anyone looking to converse on the subjects therein, as they are dealing with events building, and even transpiring now, and will continue to unfold further.

The book is not merely about some historical event, but truly details that which is coming upon the whole earth, yes, the future, and even describes events taking place now. It should be easy to then test the things written of the now and of the future in it, as they now are taking place and as they come to pass, or not pass.

Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. John 13:19

And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. John 14:29
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Notice the very reason Jesus gave in the giving/foretelling of future events, so that we would believe ["...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin" Rom 14:23] that He is the "I AM", even He that declares "the end from the beginning" [see, Isa 46:9-10].

How much does the LORD do ...?

And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; Genesis 18:17​

Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7

"...Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper." 2 Chronicles 20:20​

Headline, France:

Ikea France convicted for Violation of the Sunday Rest Law (July 2014)

"A court has convicted Ikea's French branch for violations of the Sunday rest. It has been fined 120,000 euro in damages which it has to pay 8 employees, but the cost could surge to 30 million euro ... Eight employees, from its Paris Nord 2 store, finally took the company to court and got FO's support, a socialist labour union. The judge has now agreed with the plaintiffs and awarded them 3,500 to 34,000 euro each, depending on the number of Sundays they had to work." - Ikea France convicted for illegal Sunday openings | Retail Detail

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Ellen G. White, wrote, 1904:

"The time is fast coming when the controlling power of the labor unions will be very oppressive. Again and again the Lord has instructed that our people are to take their families away from the cities, into the country, where they can raise their own provisions; for in the future the problem of buying and selling will be a very serious one. We should now begin to heed the instruction given us over and over again: Get out of the cities into rural districts, where the houses are not crowded closely together, and where you will be free from the interference of enemies.—Letter 5, 1904." Country Living, Page 9.5

"A few men will combine to grasp all the means to be obtained in certain lines of business. Trades unions will be formed, and those who refuse to join these unions will be marked men.... " Last Day Events, Page 117.1

"The trades unions will be one of the agencies that will bring upon this earth a time of trouble such as has not been since the world began.—Letter 200, 1903. " Selected Messages Book 2, Page 142.1

More on Labor Unions, and their working together with the man of sin. -

Ellen G. White Writings

Ellen G. White Writings
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I can understand how anyone raised in a paranoid 4th commandment environment all their lives would have a very hard time seeing any other way.

We are most often creatures of our social programming.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

"But there is a brighter side to the picture. “Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted.” Let this thought be kept uppermost. In labor for the erring, let every eye be directed to Christ. Let the shepherds have a tender care for the flock of the Lord’s pasture. Let them speak to the erring of the forgiving mercy of the Saviour. Let them encourage the sinner to repent, and believe in Him who can pardon. Let them declare, on the authority of God’s word, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9. All who repent have the assurance, “He will have compassion upon us; He will subdue our iniquities; and Thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.” Micah 7:19.

Let the repentance of the sinner be accepted by the church with grateful hearts. Let the repenting one be led out from the darkness of unbelief into the light of faith and righteousness. Let his trembling hand be placed in the loving hand of Jesus. Such a remission is ratified in heaven.

Only in this sense has the church power to absolve the sinner. Remission of sins can be obtained only through the merits of Christ. To no man, to no body of men, is given power to free the soul from guilt. Christ charged His disciples to preach the remission of sins in His name among all nations; but they themselves were not empowered to remove one stain of sin. The name of Jesus is the only “name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4:12." The Desire of Ages; Page 806
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[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

You know shiny, I've heard that line from so many believers when others disagree with them. The old 'touch not the Lords annointed' line. ...

There is a difference between testing and mocking, a difference between humility to know the truth and arrogant presumption, for how shall we know?

All we have to do is consider the first two groups of soldiers that were sent to 'bring' Elijah down, in comparison with the 3rd...

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

There is a difference between testing and mocking, a difference between humility to know the truth and arrogant presumption, for how shall we know?

All we have to do is consider the first two groups of soldiers that were sent to 'bring' Elijah down, in comparison with the 3rd...

wow oh wow ... and the forum comes toppling down

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

wow oh wow ... and the forum comes toppling down

Hi sister, Have you ever read either of the two OP titles, the Great Controversy of The Desire of Ages?

Why, or why not?

 

[Mama Kidogo]

There is a difference between testing and mocking, a difference between humility to know the truth and arrogant presumption, for how shall we know?

All we have to do is consider the first two groups of soldiers that were sent to 'bring' Elijah down, in comparison with the 3rd...

So it's mocking if it's spoken against Ellen and testing to call the pope the Antichrist. Oh how blind of me not to see that.

 

[Targaryen]

So it's mocking if it's spoken against Ellen and testing to call the pope the Antichrist. Oh how blind of me not to see that.

Isn't that exactly why they get in apickle when others stand by their own interpretation of the faith?

Dutch door theology.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

So it's mocking if it's spoken against Ellen and testing to call the pope the Antichrist. Oh how blind of me not to see that.

Rome was tested sister, by the Scriptures, and it was why I left it after 30 years in it. That the Roman system of religion is clearly identified in Scripture as the Antichrist system, by at least 100 identifiers, from prophecy to typology, and also by numerous expositors of the Scriptures, quite learned in much theology, from various backgrounds, etc is evidence enough, on top of the historical evidence itself in the very actions of the said system.

Ellen G White on the other hand, is not being tested, nor even read, as admitted to by many here. Those that have read her, tend to 'hand wave', or 'marginalize' instead of discussing the theological and historical evidences of the validity of the words in her materials.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Rome was tested sister, by the Scriptures, and it was why I left it after 30 years in it. That the Roman system of religion is clearly identified in Scripture as the Antichrist system, by at least 100 identifiers, from prophecy to typology, and also by numerous expositors of the Scriptures, quite learned in much theology, from various backgrounds, etc is evidence enough, on top of the historical evidence itself in the very actions of the said system.

Ellen G White on the other hand, is not being tested, nor even read, as admitted to by many here. Those that have read her, tend to 'hand wave', or 'marginalize' instead of discussing the theological and historical evidences of the validity of the words in her materials.

I've read her writings. I found little real historical and theological value to them. I've also read the Book of Mormon. Oddly similar in style and substance.
I've even read some writings by L. Ron Hubbard. At least he could write even if it was all fiction.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

I've read her writings. I found little real historical and theological value to them...

"Historical and theological value"? What of "historical and theological truth"? Please allow me to ask, once more, for cited evidence of the opinion.

You do not see any "value" in understanding the High Priestly ministry of Jesus Christ now in the Heavenly Most Holy, in regards to the plan of redemption, and that it is soon to end, "finished"?

 

[Mama Kidogo]

"Historical and theological value"? What of "historical and theological truth"? Please allow me to ask, once more, for cited evidence of the opinion.

You do not see any "value" in understanding the High Priestly ministry of Jesus Christ now in the Heavenly Most Holy, in regards to the plan of redemption, and that it is soon to end, "finished"?

No I'm not wearing a sign with the end is near written on it. End times are not my concern. I'm concerned about today. I'll concern myself with tomorrow when tomorrow comes if it comes.

The gospel is sufficient. I don't require a prophet to tell me what's lacking in them. I definitely don't need one who's entire ministry is devoted to tearing Catholicism down. Seems you do. So I'll just say, different strokes. If I need to follow Ellen to get into heaven, I've not yet found it in scripture.
Christ taught upon the Kingdom of heaven. Ellen teaches upon the Kingdom of the Antichrist being upon the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. I can't find much gospel in that. Especially when you keep changing which pope the Antichrist is depending on who's in power at the time. It's a very deceptive practice to be vague but accusatory at the same time .
I see a lot of preaching against and very little preaching for love.