Sabbath was made for man

[from scratch]

When Christ is "REALLY" in you He is your strength and stay and your love of Him you begin to walk with Him all the days long and it is not galling but is exuberant!

OK I've heard double speak before.

 

[Gibs]

OK I've heard double speak before.

We have a tendency to not be beholding Him as we should. We need to behold Him as our strength and stay over the evil knowing Him dwelling within we now have His strength as long as we don't let self be resurrected.

Self is our weakness, continually demanding gratification for the flesh that we live in. It is the lust for things of the eyes, and flesh, sex and all gratifications which are many, appetite being a big one.

When we behold Him continually we become changed more and more to be like Him and of Him and for Him..

 

[from scratch]

We have a tendency to not be beholding Him as we should. We need to behold Him as our strength and stay over the evil knowing Him dwelling within we now have His strength as long as we don't let self be resurrected.

Self is our weakness, continually demanding gratification for the flesh that we live in. It is the lust for things of the eyes, and flesh, sex and all gratifications which are many, appetite being a big one.

When we behold Him continually we become changed more and more to be like Him and of Him and for Him..

Sin and the law are separate. Sin was before the law showing the law had nothing to do with creating sin. Paul says the law causes sin. He understood human nature. The negative philosophy was used on me as a child to inspire me to perform and prove things to be wrong.

You comments and post is off topic and doesn't prove anyone is obligated to the Sabbath thru sneaking in the back door.

 

[VictorC]

Scratch you should honestly know that there is no way I can agree with the premise that you expound!

Why?
I don't endorse many of the posts I see, but this one in particular was wholly Biblical and follows the same point I've made to you: Moving the broken covenant to another location doesn't make it 'new'. That's the conclusion the inspired author of the epistle to the Hebrews makes when he wrote "In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete".

 

[VictorC]

I'm sure you really don't expect him to say something else. After all he's under orders to not listen (accept) any thing you say unless it is what he says.

How about it, Gibs? Is this true?

 

[Gibs]

Sin and the law are separate. Sin was before the law showing the law had nothing to do with creating sin. Paul says the law causes sin. He understood human nature. The negative philosophy was used on me as a child to inspire me to perform and prove things to be wrong.

You comments and post is off topic and doesn't prove anyone is obligated to the Sabbath thru sneaking in the back door.

Scratch, if you came up with a verse that proves the old law was dropped and a new very pleasing one to the sinner then I could believe your thesis.

But as it is all that I have encountered use scripture out of context to show God is really changeable when He has stated, "I change not"

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

You all inject that the law of Jesus is different than in the beginning and here it is, we are told the Father is in Him in ALL fullness and He would tell us of a law different from the beginning.

Now if that was the case we would have straight forward testimony of His Word to that effect, but no, IT IS NOT THERE!

Man cannot change the Way He has made for the salvation of men but he is deceiving himself that he can.

There is a broad Way and there is the Narrow Way and it is the Narrow that leads to life.

Now if it is as so many are hammering here, then the great share will find life!

Not so!

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mt 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 

[from scratch]

Scratch, if you came up with a verse that proves the old law was dropped and a new very pleasing one to the sinner then I could believe your thesis.

Why do you continue to lie? You've been quoted and referenced the passages by me and other. You simply decide to throw them out sometimes by even ignoring them while you quote them yourself. I've made issue that isn't responded to by your camp often. This is because its not refutable or even gotten around. Its noted that you don't even believe Moses. In short either you haven't read the Bible or don't believe it. What you say isn't supportable from the Bible with out divorcing your proof text from the rest of the Bible. So just change the subject again.

But as it is all that I have encountered use scripture out of context to show God is really changeable when He has stated, "I change not"

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Your rendition of this verse is that God doesn't change any covenant. The covenant given to Israel conflicts with the covenant given to Noah. Your theory falls flatter than a pancake or corn tortilla. The verse you quote has to do with God's character or personality and nothing to do with the covenants. To say so either calls God and/or His prophets including Moses, Jesus, Paul and the rest of the Apostles.

You all inject that the law of Jesus is different than in the beginning and here it is, we are told the Father is in Him in ALL fullness and He would tell us of a law different from the beginning.

We inject nothing of the sort. Read the Bible for a change.

Here is a lie right from the Gospel of John -

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Do I need to post the lies of other writers especially those supposedly quoting Jesus. Yes I'm mocking the truth just for you because you refuse to accept it.

Now if that was the case we would have straight forward testimony of His Word to that effect, but no, IT IS NOT THERE!

If its not there in your Bible its because someone blotted or cut it out.

Man cannot change the Way He has made for the salvation of men but he is deceiving himself that he can.

That's true. Why do you try it?

There is a broad Way and there is the Narrow Way and it is the Narrow that leads to life.

Guess what? Its not the law. The law is called the ministration of death. Paul also said he found it to lead to death. You ignore both passages.

Now if it is as so many are hammering here, then the great share will find life!

Not so!

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mt 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Yes and you have been deceived by one or more and those that promote them.

 

[Gibs]

Why do you continue to lie? You've been quoted and referenced the passages by me and other. You simply decide to throw them out sometimes by even ignoring them while you quote them yourself. I've made issue that isn't responded to by your camp often. This is because its not refutable or even gotten around. Its noted that you don't even believe Moses. In short either you haven't read the Bible or don't believe it. What you say isn't supportable from the Bible with out divorcing your proof text from the rest of the Bible. So just change the subject again.Your rendition of this verse is that God doesn't change any covenant. The covenant given to Israel conflicts with the covenant given to Noah. Your theory falls flatter than a pancake or corn tortilla. The verse you quote has to do with God's character or personality and nothing to do with the covenants. To say so either calls God and/or His prophets including Moses, Jesus, Paul and the rest of the Apostles. We inject nothing of the sort. Read the Bible for a change.

Here is a lie right from the Gospel of John -

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Do I need to post the lies of other writers especially those supposedly quoting Jesus. Yes I'm mocking the truth just for you because you refuse to accept it.If its not there in your Bible its because someone blotted or cut it out.That's true. Why do you try it?Guess what? Its not the law. The law is called the ministration of death. Paul also said he found it to lead to death. You ignore both passages.

Yes and you have been deceived by one or more and those that promote them.[/QUOTE]

The new covenant only did away with the ceremonial laws that were a shadow or pointing to Christ and no way took a jot or tittle from the Royal Law.

We were given a copy in stone that is in the temple in Heaven by the Throne of God, thus the Royal Law. Immutable as He is!

You will be judged by it and if a breaker of it then the penalty of it falls on you.

Jas 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[from scratch]

Yes and you have been deceived by one or more and those that promote them.

The new covenant only did away with the ceremonial laws that were a shadow or pointing to Christ and no way took a jot or tittle from the Royal Law.

We were given a copy in stone that is in the temple in Heaven by the Throne of God, thus the Royal Law. Immutable as He is!

You will be judged by it and if a breaker of it then the penalty of it falls on you.

Jas 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You've been lied to and swallowed it whole.

 

[Gibs]

You've been lied to and swallowed it whole.

My Only Guide,

Ps 119:103 ¶ How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Ps 119:105 ¶ NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

 

[disciple1]

Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[Gibs]

Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Paul is but letting you know that even the Gentiles who have faith in Jesus have obtained it but of Israel of old they didn't do the works of faith but strained at the law and did not fulfill it,

Now that was not the ones who did have faith and obtained it by faith and that is what we all must have and it is faith that works by love.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[BobRyan]

The new covenant only did away with the ceremonial laws that were a shadow or pointing to Christ and no way took a jot or tittle from the Royal Law.

We were given a copy in stone that is in the temple in Heaven by the Throne of God, thus the Royal Law. Immutable as He is!

You will be judged by it and if a breaker of it then the penalty of it falls on you.

Jas 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Which is the position that the OP points out as promoted by even the pro-Sunday groups.

And in this case it is the majority of Christian scholarship agreeing with you on those points in favor of the TEN Commandments as included in the still-binding moral Law of God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

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Paul is but letting you know that even the Gentiles who have faith in Jesus have obtained it but of Israel of old they didn't do the works of faith but strained at the law and did not fulfill it,

Now that was not the ones who did have faith and obtained it by faith and that is what we all must have and it is faith that works by love.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Gentiles didn't fulfill the law either.

 

[Gibs]

The Gentiles didn't fulfill the law either.

That is not your call or mine to say one way or the other.

We know the majority or a large number will find the strait gate and narrow way, so I would give that some thought

We know that a very large number are professing to be Christians and it is the few that the great amount can't see with.

 

[from scratch]

That is not your call or mine to say one way or the other.

We know the majority or a large number will find the strait gate and narrow way, so I would give that some thought

We know that a very large number are professing to be Christians and it is the few that the great amount can't see with.

So you want to say by implication Gentiles fulfill the law. Yes I fully understand you're saying I'm not a Christian.

 

[Gibs]

So you want to say by implication Gentiles fulfill the law. Yes I fully understand you're saying I'm not a Christian.

I don't judge you or no one, each must do that for himself and one day we all will learn at the great judgment throne as to whether we judged ourselves aright.

His Word is our guide to judge ourselves.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I don't judge you or no one, each must do that for himself and one day we all will learn at the great judgment throne as to whether we judged ourselves aright.

His Word is our guide to judge ourselves.

So are you saying those who refuse to keep the Sabbath can be allowed in heaven or not?

 

[Gibs]

So are you saying those who refuse to keep the Sabbath can be allowed in heaven or not?

Sophrosyne, I have made that "call" for myself and it is also your "call" for yourself.

 

[from scratch]

I don't judge you or no one, each must do that for himself and one day we all will learn at the great judgment throne as to whether we judged ourselves aright.

His Word is our guide to judge ourselves.

We're in 2 very different worlds and must not be speaking the same language.

First you say the Jews didn't fulfill the law.

I respond with neither do the Gentiles.

Then you talk about finding the straight gate and narrow way. And state - We know that a very large number are professing to be Christians and it is the few that the great amount can't see with.

Personally I don't see either comment as on topic but accusatory. This is called flaming here.

Then you have the audacity to post you're not judging. Really?

The tenor or over all theme of your posts is one must observe the law. This is a full rejection of grace. But you say you believe in and need grace. I ask why you have the law. Problem is you violate the law which requires death. You abhor death and wish to escape it and claim grace. Cheap grace is talked about here. But you make the law worthless. Personally I see no difference. What it really boils down to is grace is cheep like its said we promote. You can't separate the flesh and the soul in your mind as the Bible does. Everything you relate to is based on the flesh and its performance to the law. The Sabbath gives the flesh rest. The Sabbath doesn't give rest for the soul that Jesus promised if one comes to Him. Jesus didn't offer them what they already had.

I invite you to the peace (rest) of God He provides through unmerited favor and declaration.