Creationists: What are the reasons general acceptance of deep time and evolution

[juvenissun]

You said there was a fatal flaw in evolution but are then unable to explain what that is.

Then again, what should we expect from someone who lies about being a geology professor?

I was going to reply to your first sentence.

Then I see your second sentence. It changed my mind.

No explanation for you. Sorry.

 

[juvenissun]

So Francisco Ayala doesn't believe in God, even though he is an ordained priest, and has a list of scientific honours as long as your arm.

I guess he must be a TE. I told you TE is special. They use God to mend holes of evolution. Cleaver way. But I think they are cheating themselves. And there will be consequences.

 

[lesliedellow]

I guess he must be a TE. I told you TE is special. They use God to mend holes of evolution.

No they don't. That is what Michael Behe does - or at least the holes he can persuade nobody else are there to need mending.

 

[juvenissun]

No they don't. That is what Michael Behe does - or at least the holes he can persuade nobody else are there to need mending.

Once I proposed God makes evolution. So evolution works without the need of God afterward. But TE people criticized it as an idea of deism. If so, they must be aware of that evolution can not work on itself.

 

[Shemjaza]

Once I proposed God makes evolution. So evolution works without the need of God afterward. But TE people criticized it as an idea of deism. If so, they must be aware of that evolution can not work on itself.

Given your level of openness and honesty, I'm dubious about your description of other peoples beliefs. Got some links as evidence?

 

[juvenissun]

Given your level of openness and honesty, I'm dubious about your description of other peoples beliefs. Got some links as evidence?

No.

But I also heard of other people talked about this "deistic" idea about revolution. Many years ago, that was also one of my consideration. Then I abandoned it because I do find many problems about evolution. God won't make such a stupid system. It will not work on itself.

 

[MikeCarra]

I do find many problems about evolution. God won't make such a stupid system. It will not work on itself.

A: God doesn't make stupid systems.
B: Juvenissun thinks evolution is stupid (because he has some questions about it)
C: Therefore God wouldn't make evolution.

SYLLOGISMS FOR THE WIN!

 

[TLK Valentine]

I was going to reply to your first sentence.

Then I see your second sentence. It changed my mind.

No explanation for you. Sorry.

He doesn't need an explanation -- he's given it.

You're caught, Juven... again. Soon there won't be anyone on this forum who doesn't know you for what you really are.

 

[juvenissun]

He doesn't need an explanation -- he's given it.

You're caught, Juven... again. Soon there won't be anyone on this forum who doesn't know you for what you really are.

You know me (?), but you still beg me for info.

 

[lesliedellow]

Once I proposed God makes evolution. So evolution works without the need of God afterward. But TE people criticized it as an idea of deism. If so, they must be aware of that evolution can not work on itself.

It would be deism if they said that God had no concern for the outcome of Evolution, but that concern does not imply that he has to be constantly intervening along the way.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You know me (?), but you still beg me for info.

And expose you when you can't deliver.

 

[juvenissun]

It would be deism if they said that God had no concern for the outcome of Evolution, but that concern does not imply that he has to be constantly intervening along the way.

No need to be a constant or frequent or occasional intervention. Just once would be more than enough.
It says that the evolution process can not function as it is suggested by evolutionist.

So TE people are actually against the scientific evolution process. They do see big problems in that and can only call God to help.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No need to be a constant or frequent or occasional intervention. Just once would be more than enough.
It says that the evolution process can not function as it is suggested by evolutionist.

Or simply did not function that way...

So TE people are actually against the scientific evolution process. They do see big problems in that and can only call God to help.

By that "logic," Theists are against everything scientific -- every answered prayer is nothing more than God stacking the deck in one's favor.

 

[juvenissun]

Or simply did not function that way...



By that "logic," Theists are against everything scientific -- every answered prayer is nothing more than God stacking the deck in one's favor.

Not everything, but something.
Are you a scientist? Do not exaggerate observations.
You are forgiven if you are not one.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not everything, but something.

Are you going to explain that statement or make an excuse not to?

Are you a scientist? Do not exaggerate observations.

You're saying that theists never pray for God to invalidate biology, medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, zoology, meteorology, psychology, etc., etc., by skewing results in their favor?

Or are you saying God never answers such prayers?

You are forgiven if you are not one.

I never tried to pass myself off as something I'm not -- how about you?

 

[juvenissun]

Are you going to explain that statement or make an excuse not to?

You're saying that theists never pray for God to invalidate biology, medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, zoology, meteorology, psychology, etc., etc., by skewing results in their favor?

Or are you saying God never answers such prayers?

I never tried to pass myself off as something I'm not -- how about you?

Miracles are intended for a single person who prayed for it. For everyone else, what happened is either 100% scientific (or reasonable), or is not interpretable "yet".

What should I explain?

 

[florida2]

I was going to reply to your first sentence.

Then I see your second sentence. It changed my mind.

No explanation for you. Sorry.

Because I exposed your lies? Fine

Other people have asked for an explanation - you can answer them instead.

If you can't actually explain what you think is wrong with evolution, your criticisms must be disregarded.

 

[juvenissun]

Because I exposed your lies? Fine

Other people have asked for an explanation - you can answer them instead.

If you can't actually explain what you think is wrong with evolution, your criticisms must be disregarded.

ALL examples of evolution are isolated cases. That is what's wrong.

 

[TLK Valentine]

ALL examples of evolution are isolated cases. That is what's wrong.

A pity you can't substantiate that statement.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Miracles are intended for a single person who prayed for it. For everyone else, what happened is either 100% scientific (or reasonable), or is not interpretable "yet".

What should I explain?

So miracles are subjective experiences, then... No actual bending of natural laws, just the appearance of such to the individual who prayed for it.