Sabbath was made for man

[Gibs]

I disagree in that most of the fringe Christian groups like the Mormons and JWs and etc all base their doctrine on errors in the KJV that more modern translations don't offer to them.

Well you may disagree if you want and I will tell you in truth that all the rest are paraphrases made by man to kosher what he wants it to read for his skewed theology.

Take note that in them all, they are copyrighted and to be copyrighted they must have so many changes to be so.

You can prove the KJV as the Hebrew and Greek dictionary will give you the meaning of every word any would have in question and the KJV is found to give the best translation into English of them all!

You have greater peace when you get it right, there is no peace in error!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Well you may disagree if you want and I will tell you in truth that all the rest are paraphrases made by man to kosher what he wants it to read for his skewed theology.

Take note that in them all, they are copyrighted and to be copyrighted they must have so many changes to be so.

You can prove the KJV as the Hebrew and Greek dictionary will give you the meaning of every word any would have in question and the KJV is found to give the best translation into English of them all!

You have greater peace when you get it right, there is no peace in error!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Explain to me how one can stone another to death in the Bible when there is a KJV scripture that says "Thou shall not Kill".
You can't do it because any time you take a life it is killing and killing is a sin. Newer translations properly equate it as murder.

 

[Gibs]

Explain to me how one can stone another to death in the Bible when there is a KJV scripture that says "Thou shall not Kill".
You can't do it because any time you take a life it is killing and killing is a sin. Newer translations properly equate it as murder.

Give me the text you speak of and I will give you the KJV text and prove to you that it makes it just as dire.

Here is an example of how it is rendered in the KJV,

Ac 9:23 ¶ And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

Kill in Greek is anaireo,
337. anaireo

anairew anaireo an-ahee-reh'-o
from 303 and (the active of) 138; to take up, i.e. adopt; by implication, to take away (violently), i.e. abolish, murder:--put to death, kill, slay, take away, take up.

See Greek 303
See Greek 138

The KJV gives no problem there and kill in the old testament is no different.

What matters is all the so called new versions are paraphrases of men and that is not acceptable!

 

[Steve Petersen]

Explain to me how one can stone another to death in the Bible when there is a KJV scripture that says "Thou shall not Kill".
You can't do it because any time you take a life it is killing and killing is a sin. Newer translations properly equate it as murder.

The underlying Hebrew word means 'murder.'

 

[BobRyan]

What puzzles me is why you disagree with Moses, the prophets and the Gospels.

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That was going to be my question to you...where you object to the very Bible truths accepted by even the pro-Sunday sources in the signature line below.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I am a member of His Church, that only He alone can build His Church, and also I see the Sabbath is as valid as ever and will be in Heaven on the Seventh solar day as in in sync with Heaven now on this earth.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

That much of what you said is also affirmed by even the pro-sunday sources in the list below.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I want to ask a question: and I do not want personal opinion, I am asking a legitimate question out of curiosity while watching a history of religion in America.

At what time in history did the concept of the 10 commandments not being needed come into vogue??--It was not when the first settlers came to this country as they then turned around and made laws requiring the keeping of the 10 commandments and requiring the displaying of the 10 in churches and courtrooms.

D.L. Moody argued against the wild extremism that tries to do away with the TEN Commandments - and even argued against the efforts in his day to downsize them.

Most of the sources listed below stood firm against the heresy of trying to downsize or delete the TEN Commandments.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

It'll be interesting to hear all the testimonies on Judgment day of men as to why they did not keep God's Holy day and His response back to them.

Isaiah and John both spoke of it,

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Re 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

When you bring in that much Bible in favor of God's Commandments you know that you will be the target of some ad hominem. So be strong in the faith.

Just so you know.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Sophrosyne]

Give me the text you speak of and I will give you the KJV text and prove to you that it makes it just as dire.

Here is an example of how it is rendered in the KJV,

Ac 9:23 ¶ And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

Kill in Greek is anaireo,
337. anaireo

anairew anaireo an-ahee-reh'-o
from 303 and (the active of) 138; to take up, i.e. adopt; by implication, to take away (violently), i.e. abolish, murder:--put to death, kill, slay, take away, take up.

See Greek 303
See Greek 138

The KJV gives no problem there and kill in the old testament is no different.

What matters is all the so called new versions are paraphrases of men and that is not acceptable!

Do you honestly think this nonsense you posted does anything but prove my point? If you have to go back to the greek to show that the word MURDER is correct and the KJV doesn't use that word you only prove it is WRONG.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The underlying Hebrew word means 'murder.'

I agree the word should be murder..... NOT Kill.
If one has to go back to another language to get the word murder then it shows that the KJV was wrong to not choose it in the first place.

 

[Gibs]

When you bring in that much Bible in favor of God's Commandments you know that you will be the target of some ad hominem. So be strong in the faith.

Just so you know.

in Christ,

Bob

Bob, you are so right, and I know that you get the same. Well the Truth must go out and we are His Witnesses,

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Too on the Sabbath I have read in Enoch's writings that the Sabbath will into all eternity future continue recurring. He also stated it was kept in Heaven before earth and brought to earth and in sync with Heaven. We keep Sabbath with all of Heaven, a wonderful thought.

It is a wonderful thought also to know that wherever we go God has true of heart people.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Gibs]

I agree the word should be murder..... NOT Kill.
If one has to go back to another language to get the word murder then it shows that the KJV was wrong to not choose it in the first place.

Mercy me, did you not know that to kill is murder. A killer is a murderer and a murderer is a killer. The words are Synonyms in English. Look it up!

Talk about straining at a gnat!

Your point in respect of the KJV being deficient there is not worthwhile.

1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Mercy me, did you not know that to kill is murder. A killer is a murderer and a murderer is a killer. The words are Synonyms in English. Look it up!

Talk about straining at a gnat!

Your point in respect of the KJV being deficient there is not worthwhile.

1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

So by your words those who in the Bible were told to stone someone to death were murderers... correct?
You make God also into a sinner because he commanded Israel to MURDER people around them a LOT.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Murder is the killing of an innocent person (someone not liable to the death penalty.)

When someone is put to death because they WERE liable to the death penalty, it is not murder.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Murder is the killing of an innocent person (someone not liable to the death penalty.)

When someone is put to death because they WERE liable to the death penalty, it is not murder.

I agree..... but the word killing isn't the same as murder. Murder is a specific TYPE of killing that equates sin while killing can be justified in some cases which make the KJV translation problematic and essentially I consider it an error not to use the word "MURDER".

But anyway this is off the topic here, so I'm dropping this.

 

[from scratch]

Mercy me, did you not know that to kill is murder. A killer is a murderer and a murderer is a killer. The words are Synonyms in English. Look it up!

Talk about straining at a gnat!

Your point in respect of the KJV being deficient there is not worthwhile.

1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Nope!!! a thousand times nope!!!! I kill bugs when I step on them. Its not malicious intent. Offering an animal sacrifice isn't murder, but its killing alright.

 

[from scratch]

When you bring in that much Bible in favor of God's Commandments you know that you will be the target of some ad hominem. So be strong in the faith.

Just so you know.

in Christ,

Bob

Are you carrying out a vendetta thru a 3 rd party?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Are you carrying out a vendetta thru a 3 rd party?

It is called false persecution complex..... a typical ploy when unbiblical doctrine is exposed and instead of defending your unsupported beliefs with the Bible you do everything else imaginable including screaming people are picking on you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I agree the word should be murder..... NOT Kill.
If one has to go back to another language to get the word murder then it shows that the KJV was wrong to not choose it in the first place.

Interesting.

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE MURDEROUS JUDEAN RULERS

Matthew 23:31
So as Ye are testifying to yourselves, that sons ye are of the ones murdering/foneusantwn <5407> the prophets;
James 5:6
Ye condemn, ye murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.
[Matt 27/Reve 9:21]
Revelation 9:21
And not they reform/repent out of their murders/fonwn <5408>, nor out from their sorceries,...........


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[Gibs]

Murder and Kill are synonyms as is Murderer and Killer in our English language so this is not a valid argument.

It would be best to drop it or show your lack of knowing English.