Important Facts about Evolution

[toolmanjantzi]

How does God choose who he will justify?

Not sure. A reason based on scripture of why he chose the Jews in the Old Testament can maybe answer that.

Deut. Chapter 7:6,7,8

6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye [were] the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

The scriptures describe Israel as a bride. So in Gods sovereignty he chooses to Love unconditionally like a husband and wife.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Sometimes there is playful banter and sometimes there is gibberish.

Good gibber.

 

[BL2KTN]

Keep that for the philosophy threads. Where everyone makes each other frustrated

No need to be bossy. I discuss issues as they are brought up.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Looks like psychological gymnastics to me. But hey, whatever it takes, right?

Not sure.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No need to be bossy. I discuss issues as they are brought up.

It is 100% off topic in this thread, which I remind everyone is supposed to be about evolution

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I believe Jesus was a good person whose real actions were lost in exaggeration and miracle fairy tales. But that doesn't mean I have to worship or even like an openly malevolent being.

It's called Free will.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's called Free will.

If all belief is a choice, make yourself believe the sky is green.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Then your god chose to create a place called hell, then chose who he would send there before they existed. Your god is obviously worse than Hitler.

No Hitler told the Jews they were showers and then gased them.

Jesus sends someone like me to tell you about the gas chambers; and you freely choose ignorance and close the shower door behind you.

Big difference.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Unconditional love should mean God would justify all the one's he loves, no?

That is correct.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

It is 100% off topic in this thread, which I remind everyone is supposed to be about evolution

Good point so you were saying the red blood cells do carry the y-chromosome in their earlier stage?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

If all belief is a choice, make yourself believe the sky is green.

No, belief in God is not based on personal choice.

 

[MuchWiser]

No Hitler told the Jews they were showers and then gased them.

Jesus sends someone like me to tell you about the gas chambers; and you freely choose ignorance and close the shower door behind you.

Big difference.

So you come with threats do you? the carrot and the stick is normally only used on donkeys.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Good point so you were saying the red blood cells do carry the y-chromosome in their earlier stage?

All cells in the body at some point contain DNA, but red blood cells lose all their DNA before they are even active in the body. They only reality have it during certain stages of their development, then all red blood cells, regardless to gender, lose all the DNA

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, belief in God is not based on personal choice.

Then how does free will factor into it?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

So you come with threats do you? the carrot and the stick usually only works on donkeys.

What threats are you referring to? The carrot and stick analogy I only know from Merry Melodies.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

All cells in the body at some point contain DNA, but red blood cells lose all their DNA before they are even active in the body. They only reality have it during certain stages of their development, then all red blood cells, regardless to gender, lose all the DNA

But the research talked about blood having a lower y-chromosome; which I assumed meant white blood cells.

 

[PsychoSarah]

But the research talked about blood having a lower y-chromosome; which I assumed meant white blood cells.

If you have to assume which blood cells, that is a bad sign. Also, white blood cells don't lose their DNA naturally

 

[Dizredux]

No, belief in God is not based on personal choice.

I think it can be at least to a degree. For myself, I looked at a number of faiths but the teachings of Christ pulled on me so I feel I chose to worship the Christian God and Christ out of my free will. I have no need to "prove" the existence of God. To me it is pure faith and nothing else and that resonates with me, feels right and I find myself with a very comfortable with God and his son. That is enough for me.

Dizredux

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Then how does free will factor into it?

" Answer: If "free will" means that God gives humans the opportunity to make choices that genuinely affect their destiny, then yes, human beings do have a free will. The world's current sinful state is directly linked to choices made by Adam and Eve. God created mankind in His own image, and that included the ability to choose.

However, free will does not mean that mankind can do anything he pleases. Our choices are limited to what is in keeping with our nature. For example, a man may choose to walk across a bridge or not to walk across it; what he may not choose is to fly over the bridge--his nature prevents him from flying. In a similar way, a man cannot choose to make himself righteous--his (sin) nature prevents him from canceling his guilt (Romans 3:23). So, free will is limited by nature.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/free-will.html#ixzz36RPAM7ZO


I'm sure I can't answer that question any better. But Man who is dead (spiritually) in his sin; would not choose God. PERIOD. By Gods Grace and Mercy He shows us by opening our eyes to the truth. Hence I can no longer refuse that which I understand. It would be like asking a child to deny his mother gave birth to him, BELIEF.

 

[PsychoSarah]

" Answer: If "free will" means that God gives humans the opportunity to make choices that genuinely affect their destiny, then yes, human beings do have a free will. The world's current sinful state is directly linked to choices made by Adam and Eve. God created mankind in His own image, and that included the ability to choose.

However, free will does not mean that mankind can do anything he pleases. Our choices are limited to what is in keeping with our nature. For example, a man may choose to walk across a bridge or not to walk across it; what he may not choose is to fly over the bridge--his nature prevents him from flying. In a similar way, a man cannot choose to make himself righteous--his (sin) nature prevents him from canceling his guilt (Romans 3:23). So, free will is limited by nature.

Read more: Do human beings truly have a free will?


I'm sure I can't answer that question any better. But Man who is dead (spiritually) in his sin; would not choose God. PERIOD. By Gods Grace and Mercy He shows us by opening our eyes to the truth. Hence I can no longer refuse that which I understand. It would be like asking a child to deny his mother gave birth to him, BELIEF.

So basically, where free will would really matter to our salvation it doesn't apply. As if that is fair and just.