Sabbath was made for man

[Cribstyl]

And of course the much-anticpated made-up fiction that will be brought in response to -- "God said "Tomorrow is THE Sabbath" Exodus 20 not "pick any day you like"."

False..... In Exodus 16 Moses said that not God.

Apparently - attacks against the Law of God must resort to some sort of fiction to make their case appear to stand. To each his own.

in Christ,

Bob

Who is attacking the law? Who is telling fiction?

 

[BobRyan]

False..... In Exodus 16 Moses said that not God.


Who is attacking the law? Who is telling fiction?

I guess that would be you from your post above.

Ex 16 says --
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

 

[BobRyan]

There is nothing moral about the sabbath. (resting 1/7 days)

1. someone said "there is nothing moral about eating an apple from this tree or that tree".

We all saw how well that argument played out. Too late to revisit that idea as if the result were not already "in".

2. Christ said "The Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27 -- of course not everyone believes Him on that point

3. God said "the Seventh day is The Sabbath of the Lord Thy God" not "A day in seven is Your sabbath". God said "Tomorrow is THE Sabbath" Exodus 20 not "pick any day you like".

And of course - we all knew that.

And of course the much-anticpated made-up fiction that will be brought in response to -- "God said "Tomorrow is THE Sabbath" Exodus 20 not "pick any day you like"."

Then Moses must be a liar.

Apparently - attacks against the Law of God must resort to some sort of fiction to make their case appear to stand. To each his own.

Are you saying that the Book of the Law and the prophets are works of fiction?

Why would you want to make up something like that??

Why stray so far from the point of the post??

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

And of course the much-anticpated made-up fiction that will be brought in response to -- "God said "Tomorrow is THE Sabbath" Exodus 20 not "pick any day you like"."




Apparently - attacks against the Law of God must resort to some sort of fiction to make their case appear to stand. To each his own.




Why would you want to make up something like that??

Why stray so far from the point of the post??

in Christ,

Bob

Who's telling the truth? You have Moses, the prophets and Jesus saying opposing things about the Sabbath. Who do your believe if anyone?

 

[disciple1]

Exodus chapter 20 verse 10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to tho Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
Exodus chapter 35 verse 3 Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
So if you want to follow the Sabbath you can't have your stove on or refrigerator, because that would cause people to work, or do you just want to keep a little of the Sabbath, which brings me to my original post.
Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoner's by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

[from scratch]

And of course the much-anticpated made-up fiction that will be brought in response to -- "God said "Tomorrow is THE Sabbath" Exodus 20 not "pick any day you like"."




Apparently - attacks against the Law of God must resort to some sort of fiction to make their case appear to stand. To each his own.




Why would you want to make up something like that??

Why stray so far from the point of the post??

in Christ,

Bob

Are paying attention to the conversation or just goading people trying to make them angry? Is it indeed necessary to state everything in every post or are we having a conversation? If you don't understand why can't you hit the little blue button or scroll down for the last 10 mist recent posts?

 

[BobRyan]

Who's telling the truth? You have Moses, the prophets and Jesus saying opposing things about the Sabbath.

Until you actually read my posts.

In the mean time (while we wait) - even pro-Sunday sources listed in the signature line - get the point of perfect agreement between all the Bible sources on the fact that the 4th commandment was given to mankind in Eden - and still applies to the saints today. AND they agree that when given to mankind in Eden the 4th commandment was applied to the 7th day of the week as we see in Ex 20:8-11

Are paying attention to the conversation or just goading people trying to make them angry? ?

This is not at all making people angry - in fact I am pointing out an amazing amount of agreement between the Sabbath keeping Christians such as Seventh-day Adventists and the actual points made in documents like the Baptist Confession of Faith, and the Westminster Confession of Faith.

A fact of common agreement that makes almost no one angry.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

8 Remember The Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is THE Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus chapter 20 verse 10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to tho Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested THE seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed THE Sabbath day, and hallowed (Sanctified) it.

Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on THE seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on THE seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made For mankind"



Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to Worship"

Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith

Indeed we are reminded of that each time we read in the Law of God "Honor your Father and Mother"
And "Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in Vain"
and "Love God with all your heart and soul" Deut 6:5
and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

As Gal 3 points out this law leads the lost person to faith in Christ as the lost person sees his/her need of salvation from sin and the fact that the perfect law of God condemns the unloving ways of the wicked --dooming them to the second death - lake of fire.

now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoner's by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

Gal 3 and Romans 3 point out that the entire world is shut up under sin - accountable to God - in rebellion against God's Law.

But the New Covenant then writes the Law of God on the heart and mind - Jer 31:31-33.

And as Paul points out in Romans 8:5-8 while the wicked are still at war with the law of God - the saints sweetly comply with it.

No wonder Paul can say to the saints - "what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

No wonder even the sunday-keeping sources listed in the signature line below - get this obvious Bible teaching.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Until you actually read my posts.

In the mean time (while we wait) - even pro-Sunday sources listed in the signature line - get the point of perfect agreement between all the Bible sources on the fact that the 4th commandment was given to mankind in Eden - and still applies to the saints today. AND they agree that when given to mankind in Eden the 4th commandment was applied to the 7th day of the week as we see in Ex 20:8-11

Which one do you say actually have their carcass in a religious house of worship every or most Saturdays? And why are they always preaching on Sunday?

This is not at all making people angry - in fact I am pointing out an amazing amount of agreement between the Sabbath keeping Christians such as Seventh-day Adventists and the actual points made in documents like the Baptist Confession of Faith, and the Westminster Confession of Faith.

A fact of common agreement that makes almost no one angry.

in Christ,

Bob

No your saying those documents endorse your view point when they obviously practice something else.

 

[from scratch]

8 Remember The Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is THE Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:




11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested THE seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed THE Sabbath day, and hallowed (Sanctified) it.

Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on THE seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on THE seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made For mankind"



Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to Worship"






Indeed we are reminded of that each time we read in the Law of God "Honor your Father and Mother"
And "Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in Vain"
and "Love God with all your heart and soul" Deut 6:5
and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

As Gal 3 points out this law leads the lost person to faith in Christ as the lost person sees his/her need of salvation from sin and the fact that the perfect law of God condemns the unloving ways of the wicked --dooming them to the second death - lake of fire.




Gal 3 and Romans 3 point out that the entire world is shut up under sin - accountable to God - in rebellion against God's Law.

But the New Covenant then writes the Law of God on the heart and mind - Jer 31:31-33.

And as Paul points out in Romans 8:5-8 while the wicked are still at war with the law of God - the saints sweetly comply with it.

No wonder Paul can say to the saints - "what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

No wonder even the sunday-keeping sources listed in the signature line below - get this obvious Bible teaching.

in Christ,

Bob

And what else does Galatians say about the law and the Christian? Surely you must be hoping everyone ignores the rest of the book.

 

[mercy1061]

Exodus chapter 20 verse 10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to tho Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
Exodus chapter 35 verse 3 Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
So if you want to follow the Sabbath you can't have your stove on or refrigerator, because that would cause people to work, or do you just want to keep a little of the Sabbath, which brings me to my original post.
Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoner's by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

If the children of Jacob gathered enough manna for two days on the sixth day while walking by faith in the desert, why would anyone need to light a fire in their tent? Did they have refrigerators outside in their tents? We must practice what we teach, in practice you will understand Moses instruction. The sixth day manna from heaven was preserved for Sabbath without the need of a refrigerator or stove. The Sabbath's manna was the only bread that never spoiled. No need to cook during Sabbath, manna was already stored up in your tent the previous day.

 

[from scratch]

If the children of Jacob gathered enough manna for two days on the sixth day while walking by faith in the desert, why would anyone need to light a fire in their tent? Did they have refrigerators outside in their tents? We must practice what we teach, in practice you will understand Moses instruction. The sixth day manna from heaven was preserved for Sabbath without the need of a refrigerator or stove. The Sabbath's manna was the only bread that never spoiled. No need to cook during Sabbath, manna was already stored up in your tent the previous day.

Beats me.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by Cribstyl

There is nothing moral about the sabbath. (resting 1/7 days)​

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1. someone said "there is nothing moral about eating an apple from this tree or that tree".

We all saw how well that argument played out. Too late to revisit that idea as if the result were not already "in".

2. Christ said "The Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27 -- of course not everyone believes Him on that point

3. God said "the Seventh day is The Sabbath of the Lord Thy God" not "A day in seven is Your sabbath". God said "Tomorrow is THE Sabbath" Exodus 20 not "pick any day you like".

And of course - we all knew that.
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And of course next comes the comment in the form of the much-anticpated made-up fiction that will be brought in response to -- "God said "Tomorrow is THE Sabbath" Exodus 20 not "pick any day you like"." -- which is...

Originally Posted by from scratch

Then Moses must be a liar.
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Apparently - attacks against the Law of God must resort to some sort of fiction to make their case appear to stand. To each his own.

Are you saying that the Book of the Law and the prophets are works of fiction? .

How do you come up with such wild off-point rabbit trails? Where is the quote from me saying that the Bible is fiction or the part that Moses wrote is fiction?

Why keep doing that??

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

If the children of Jacob gathered enough manna for two days on the sixth day while walking by faith in the desert, why would anyone need to light a fire in their tent?

life in the desert was somewhat different that the life in Canaan where even Peter was "warming himself by the fire - for it was cold" during the trial of Christ.

I guess we all knew that - but there is an "any ol excuse will do" reaction to the Law of God that goes to all sorts of odd places to oppose it.

Maybe some of us knew that already as well.

At least we who accept the law of God can take comfort in the fact that even the pro-Sunday sources like those listed below in my signature line do not resort to such extremes in warring against God's 4th commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

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How do you come up with such wild off-point rabbit trails? Where is the quote from me saying that the Bible is fiction or the part that Moses wrote is fiction?

Why keep doing that??

in Christ,

Bob

What ever are you talking about? Why don't you wish to deal with the Bible? And why won't you answer the questions?

 

[from scratch]

life in the desert was somewhat different that the life in Canaan where even Peter was "warming himself by the fire - for it was cold" during the trial of Christ.

I guess we all knew that - but there is an "any ol excuse will do" reaction to the Law of God that goes to all sorts of odd places to oppose it.

Maybe some of us knew that already as well.

At least we who accept the law of God can take comfort in the fact that even the pro-Sunday sources like those listed below in my signature line do not resort to such extremes in warring against God's 4th commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

I guess you believe every one will accept something if told often enough.

 

[disciple1]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
James chapter 2 verse 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23

So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
Jesus also said the sabath was made for man not man for the sabath.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I have a hard time logically thinking that man must be a slave to the Sabbath when he should be master of it. Usually when something is "made" for you then it is a tool that you are master of but those who promote the Sabbath aren't considering that they are slaves to it when the Sabbath comes it controls their actions entirely they must adhere to its mastery.
Man wasn't made for the Sabbath, therefore the Sabbath isn't his master.

 

[Elder 111]

Exodus chapter 20 verse 10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to tho Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
Exodus chapter 35 verse 3 Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
So if you want to follow the Sabbath you can't have your stove on or refrigerator, because that would cause people to work, or do you just want to keep a little of the Sabbath, which brings me to my original post.
Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoner's by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

This uncalled for idea of not even lighting your stove is not scriptural is it?
Now you have quoted the above about not lighting a fire. What did it take to light a fire? Is it the same as lighting a stove today? Did it say that a fire could not be burning? Did not Jesus come and clarify what keeping the Sabbath was all about? Was it necessary to light a fire? If I don't used the things mentioned would that mean that other person would not work on the day?

 

[Elder 111]

I have a hard time logically thinking that man must be a slave to the Sabbath when he should be master of it. Usually when something is "made" for you then it is a tool that you are master of but those who promote the Sabbath aren't considering that they are slaves to it when the Sabbath comes it controls their actions entirely they must adhere to its mastery.
Man wasn't made for the Sabbath, therefore the Sabbath isn't his master.

Did not Jesus demonstrate that?