The pre-tribulation Rapture theory is a Satanic Deception.

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I see that you have not read anything who could have provided you some knowledge that the majority of those living in Israel today are not descendants from Biblical Jews.

One again.. as if they or you or anyone else knows better than the LORD..

These formed their own religion that was much different than the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews. These who are now called "Jews" added to the Old Testament Scriptures their own "Oral Law" called Talmud. This of course was a corruption of God’s Old Testament religion and the work of satan.


Right.. and you're Israel now.. got it.. the Israel over there is just Satanic deception..

Do you even know that the Talmud is the religious book that is used since the foundation of the modern Israel in 1948.

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The re-formation of Israel in the west. Israel's migrations to "the appointed place."
This excellent map charts the migrations of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel as they migrated north and west after the Assyrian captivity 721 (611 by Bullinger's dating) when they dropped out of the Biblical narrative and secular history supposedly. PS: They are not the so-called modern day Jews!

Right, but YOU are..

No chance that you're deceived is there?
 
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As if you know better than God who a Jew is an who isn't one..

Because in Christ there is NEITHER Jew or Gentile and yet that doesn't matter one iota to those who can't see the actual Israel right in front of their own eyes.. and who have been deceived into believing the lie that THEY are Israel..

If that's not Satanic Deception, then what is?

What you don't understand is the fact that only Judah(Jew's) returned to that nation state of Israel....In other words the two stick have not been joined back together


Ezekiel 37:16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: Then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:"

On the first stick, Ezekiel wrote the name of Judah, and it will represent all those who call themselves "Jews". It doesn't matter if they have Jewish blood or not, as long as they consider themselves of Judah. These people include those people of the tribes of Benjamin, and Judah, as well as part of the Levitical priesthood.

The whole "House of Israel", are all the Christian nations around the world. The English People are the offspring of the tribe of Ephraim, in large part. However, this second stick represents all the House of Israel that were divorced by God, and brought back as the "sons of the Living God".
By using the two sticks, God is symbolizing the division between Israel, and Judah, or in terms of today; Christian and Jew.


Ezekiel 37:17 "And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand."

This joining of the two sticks will not happen until the first day of the Millennium age, when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.

Ezekiel 37:18 "And when the children of thy People shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?"

When Ezekiel performs the joining of these two sticks, and is questioned by the Israelites, this is what God instructed him to say.

Ezekiel 37:19 "Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine hand."

They will be joined as one people, and one nation, just as they were in the days of Jacob, Moses, David and Solomon: before the nation split into two nations. This will be a great day, and it will happen when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.

Ezekiel 37:20 "And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes."

Ezekiel 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be one, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:"

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:"

Ezekiel 37:23 "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions:"

This has yet to happen,how do we know?Let's look at the next verse


Ezekiel 37:24 "And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them."


 
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LOL...

That Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in..

Are you serious?
English not being my first language can you explain what your quoted Biblical passage mean.
That Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in

What is that FULNESS of the Gentile who must come in ?

And when you talk about Israel do you talk about the Country of Israel?
 
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English not being my first language can you explain what your quoted Biblical passage mean.
That Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in

What is that FULNESS of the Gentile who must come in for the "Jews in Israel see ?

OK, sorry then, I thought that you were being sarcastic or something.

Paul is writing to the Gentile church in Rome (Romans chapters 9-11 deal with national Israel) and warning them that there is a mystery pertaining to Israel.. and that there are serious consequences for ignoring it..

Like becoming wise in our own conceits..

That's a serious matter..

He then tells us what the mystery is...

That Israel (the Israel he just spent chapters 9, 10, and 11 expounding upon) is BLINDED in part UNTIL a certain TIME..

And that TIME is when the FULNESS of the predominantly Gentile believers come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.. through the gospel of God's Son..

The same gospel which Israel currently rejects.. this is why Paul says that they are ENEMIES as concerning the GOSPEL.. and yet they are beloved because of God's ELECTION..

The seemingly endless list of OT Israelites who were justified in their faith in God at that time and in that dispensation.. long before Christ came into the world..

I will continue.. unless you don't understand up to this point.
 
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Because when the Apostle to the Gentiles says..

That Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in..

He actually doesn't mean that Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in..

Is that right?

Let me help you out

Read the link below

The Meaning of the Word Gentile as Used in Scripture

To summarize: the word gentile is derived from the Latin word gentilis and is only one of several words that are used to translate the Hebrew word goi and the Greek word ethnos into English. The best word to use is nations. It would have been better if the word gentile had never appeared in the English text. Neither goi nor ethnos necessarily mean non-Israel, as has been shown above.
 
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And when you talk about Israel do you talk about the Country of Israel?

This is an excellent question..

And YES.. the Apostle to the GENTILES is speaking of the the NATION of ISRAEL and its many earthly ordinances which were all a picture of Christ..

ISRAEL is the only NATION on earth that is not counted amongst the GENTILE nations.. and it consists exclusively of the twelve sons of JACOB.. and therefore the twelve tribes of Israel..

And it's that NATION, and that CITY of the great King, Jerusalem.. where the Lord shall sit upon the throne of His glory and be King over all the earth in that Day..
 
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The Israel of God based on the Word.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
 
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OK, sorry then, I thought that you were being sarcastic or something.

Paul is writing to the Gentile church in Rome (Romans chapters 9-11 deal with national Israel) and warning them that there is a mystery pertaining to Israel.. and that there are serious consequences for ignoring it..

Like becoming wise in our own conceits..

That's a serious matter..

He then tells us what the mystery is...

That Israel (the Israel he just spent chapters 9, 10, and 11 expounding upon) is BLINDED in part UNTIL a certain TIME..

And that TIME is when the FULNESS of the predominantly Gentile believers come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.. through the gospel of God's Son..

The same gospel which Israel currently rejects.. this is why Paul says that they are ENEMIES as concerning the GOSPEL.. and yet they are beloved because of God's ELECTION..

The seemingly endless list of OT Israelites who were justified in their faith in God at that time and in that dispensation.. long before Christ came into the world..

I will continue.. unless you don't understand up to this point.
Continue ,that is becoming interesting...
 
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The simplest and most important biblical connection which so many seem to miss... (and I don't know why)... is that...

ISRAEL is JACOB...

JACOB is ISRAEL...

Remember.. How that Jacob was left alone (OT book of GENESIS) and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the Day.. and THEN at the breaking of that DAY the SUN rose upon him and his name was changed to ISRAEL..

JACOB is ISRAEL..
 
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It's one of the most staggering stories in the story of stories..

Like as described in the miraculous story of Joseph...

The son of Jacob's old age..

Loved by his father and yet hated by his own brethren.. who threw him into a pit and sold him to the Gentiles for twenty pieces of silver..

Remember how they deceived JACOB?

They dipped Joseph's outer coat in blood..

Jacob was deceived...

Many years went past and Joseph went from the pit to the prison to the throne... second only to Pharaoh..

He revealed the abundance and then the coming future famine coming upon the world..

And when that famine does come.. who come looking for sustenance..?

The very brethren who threw him into that pit long ago..

Joseph lead his brethren to repentance and ultimately reveals himself to them and they weep together..

And JACOB learns late in his life that the son of his old age is not only alive.. but ruler over all the land..
 
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Jacob is Israel
and
Israel is Jacob

Here the rest of the story...

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The re-formation of Israel in the west. Israel's migrations to "the appointed place."

Now God changed Jacob’s name to Israel and he had 12 sons.
These twelve sons are the Patriarchs (founding fathers) of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. There was no such thing as Israel in the Bible until these twelve sons were born (approx. 1775-1728 B.C.). And God changes Jacob's name to Israel in (Gen 32:28 - approx.1739 B.C.). So prior to this the family of Adam (Formed in 4004 B.C.) was God’s chosen and it was they whom through the promise was to come. And by 'chosen' I mean that through them God would save ALL peoples. God loves all His children! Please do not read racism or anti-Semitism into this, there is no racism or anti-Semitism with God’s Word, but satan so loves to plant seeds of discord, so resist the temptation to be used in this manner (race baiting).
In the process of time these Twelve Tribes had a rift, and the split into two Kingdoms:
The Southern Kingdom:
Consisted of two of the tribes (Judah and Benjamin) and were called Judah with their capital in Jerusalem.
Judah punished:
Because of idolatry, God also punished Judah, and the Two Tribe Southern Kingdom Judah was taken into captivity by the Babylonians. In 477 B.C.* Nebuchadnezzar took Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple of God (the same location of the Temple Mount in modern Israel). At this time there are still no Jews, there is only the Kingdom of Judah. ‘Jew’ is a term that we will explain later, but for now understand that it is a religious designation and not a national identifier. In other words, contrary to popular misconception, you are not born a Jew but become one by that particular brand of religion (Judaism). More on that later.
[*all dating as per Companion Bible by E.W. Bullinger]
The Northern Kingdom:
Consisting of the other Ten Tribes were called Israel and their capital was at Samaria.
Israel punished:
Because of idolatry, God punished Israel, and The Ten Tribe Israel nation was taken into captivity by the Assyrians and Israel became a province of Assyria in 611 B.C.* and the people Israel dropped out of the Biblical narrative and profane history as well for the most part. They became not a people (lo-ammi).

In the process of time SOME of the Kingdom of Judah were allowed to return to Jerusalem, most did not. So this small contingent of the Tribe of Judah stayed in Jerusalem and intermarried with the Babylonians, as well as the Edomites (sons of Esau Jacob/Israels’s brother by Isaac) and the Kenites (sons of Cain, which was the son of the serpent/satan {Gen 3:15}). These formed their own religion that was much different than the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews. These who are now called "Jews" added to the Old Testament Scriptures their own "Oral Law" called Talmud. This of course was a corruption of God’s Old Testament religion and the work of satan.
It is these Jews that were in control of the Temple during Christ’s time, it is them that Christ so often chastised and rebuked, it is them that Jesus told:
John 8:44
44 Ye are of
[progeny; Greek word #1537 ek (out of)] your father the devil [satan - the serpent in the Garden of Eden], and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning [Cain - Kenites], and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it[satan/serpent uttered first lie (Gen 3:4)]. (KJV)
And it is them that killed the Son of God Jesus Christ by forcing the hand of pagan Rome. So today, when someone calls themselves a Jew they most likely aren’t, they are just ignorant to the preceding events. Not all of Israel or Judah are Jews and none of the Jews are Israel or Judah. It is these Jews that are in large number in modern day Israel (though there are also some true Judah and Israel there as well - they should be properly called Hebrews not Jews - but they don’t know this, it has been kept from them, they don’t know who they are, they have been betrayed by their parents ... parents ... parents). But all can be saved through Christ Jesus!
So in a perversion of truth, these Jews call themselves the chosen of God but in fact are the offspring of Judah that intermarried with the heathen peoples and formed their own perverted religion that disobeys God at almost every turn. The Jewish Anti Defamation League (among others) has suppressed this type of information and labels those who teach it as "anti-Semitic" or "racist" to discredit them, hide the truth, and proliferate the apostasy away from God (though some racists take this teaching and equally in ignorance use it in hate, we are not among that group). But the term "anti-Semetic" is itself a misnomer, for those called "Jews" have very little if any Semitic blood in their veins and they have apostate into heathen religion and forsook God. They have more blood of Cain (Kenites) and the Edomites (Esua - Khazer Jews of Russia) in their veins than blood of Israel or true Judah for that matter. Call it the fox in the hen house if you will. But NOT ALL HEBREW PEOPLE ARE JEWS, in fact, very very very few Hebrew peoples became Jews, and true Israel and true Judah know not who they are.
Ok, so what happened to Israel, the Ten Tribe Northern Kingdom? Did they die off? God forbid, for had they, then God’s Word would have failed, for God promised Abraham that his seed should be as the sand of the sea for multitude:
Gen 32:9-12
9 And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the LORD which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee................(Gen 32:12) And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)

Well, there are only 13 million Jews on the Planet of over 6 billion people (less that one percent) so where is the multitude as the sand of the sea? Did God make a mistake, or lie to Abraham in the Covenant? Of course not!!! This is not possible, God cannot lie {Titus 1:2}! Below we shall show where Israel is today, and we will also clarify who Judah is and the Kenites and the Gentiles.
In the Bible, who Are The People Of The House Of Israel,
the House Of Judah, The Jews, And The Kenites?
The difference between the peoples of Israel, Judah, the Jews,
and the Kenites (the sons of Cain, the first murderer)
First of all, when studying Biblical history and prophecy, you mustn't confuse the House of Israel with the House of Judah. When you see the 'House of Israel' written of in the scriptures, it refers to the Ten Northern Tribes of Israel (now referred to as the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel). But when you see the 'House of Judah' spoken of, it refers to the Southern Kingdom consisting of peoples of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
Originally, when the Houses were still joined together, there were twelve Tribes. These Twelve Tribes became split into two Houses, one called the Northern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Samaria, and the other called the Southern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Jerusalem. To this very day they are split, with the Ten Northern tribes having lost all knowledge of their identity, as was prophesied of to happen in Scripture:
Rom 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (KJV)

But what ever became of Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel)? After a three years siege and the final fall of Samaria with it's becoming of an Assyrian Province in 611 B.C. (722 B.C. by profane history), Israel ceased to be and dropped out of history.
But Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes) were never lost to God, they migrated North over the Caucasus Mountains (where we get our word 'Caucasian' from) and settled Europe, eventually populating Scotland, Ireland, Britain, Iceland, and ultimately crossing westward over the seas and established the Americas.
Yes we are the descendants of the lost Northern Ten Tribes of Israel. We are the chosen people of God. Look around the world, who is the last light of hope in the world? That does not mean that we are Jewish, for as you see by the division of the original 12 tribes descended from Jacob/Israel; Judah is only one of those twelve tribes, and Jews are only a small portion of them who mixed with the heathen both physically and religiously. As of Jan 2, 2000, there are only 13 million Jews on the planet (as per World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics), that is less than 1% of the total global population which is 6,099,686,302 (6 billion plus) as of 4:04 EDT Oct 1, 2000 per Popclock™. But in God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob He promised:
Gen 13:16
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. (KJV)

Gen 17:4
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. (KJV)

Gen 28:14
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (KJV)

Gen 35:11
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; (KJV)

 
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