The pre-tribulation Rapture theory is a Satanic Deception.

[iamlamad]

There is only 2 Advents (coming)of Jesus Christ mentioned in the Bible.Jesus First Advent was about 2 thousands years ago.The Second Advent will be at the END of the Great Tribulation.
Saying that Jesus have make a "secret promise" revealed by Paul, that Jesus will come before or in the middle of the Great Tribulation to rapture some selected Christians (those who believe very hard in the pretrib rapture of the Church)is a deception.Because it need a fabricated third advent ... the only gathering/rapture will happen only when Jesus return at the End of the Great Tribulation.

Why do you keep saying this when it is BOGUS? Does Paul call his rapture a COMING?

1 Thes 4
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Is this a coming?
How about this?

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
John does not use the word "coming" but Jesus does come to earth. It is therefore a coming. It is NOT Paul's rapture coming. Therefore the bible shows us TWO MORE comings.

There are MANY verses that speak of His coming. We have to STUDY and show ourselves approved, so we know which coming each verse is speaking of. There are very clearly TWO MORE comings. Therefore your theory is BOGUS - only a MYTH.

LAMAD

 

[n2thelight]

What part of "impossible" do you not understand? Either people WILL know the day, or they WON'T know the day of Jesus' return. Which is it? Of course the bible tells us NO ONE WILL KNOW.

So He does NOT come on day 1335 or ANY OTHER numbered day that people know or think they know. His coming will on a SURPRISE to all on the earth. This goes for His coming pretrib FOR His bride, and HIs coming Posttrib WITH His bride.

When the abomination takes place PEOPLE WILL KNOW AROUND THE WORLD. It is sure to be on TV. So anyone could begin to count to 1260 to get to the last day of the week. SURPRISE! Jesus does NOT COME that day. Many would then know the day, but God says NO ONE will know. AFter the 70th week is finished (it ends with the 7th seal) Jesus is STILL IN HEAVEN and waiting for the events of Rev. 17 and 18 to take place. Then it will be time to begin the marriage and supper. It is only AFTER the marriage and supper that Jesus decends - on a UNKNOWN day.

LAMAD

Christ returns 3 1/2 days after the two witnesses are killed...

Revelation 11:7 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit [abyss] shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sod'-om and E'-gypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

The two witnesses' bodies will lie in the "street", which in the Greek text reads "plateia", or "broad place", which, more then likely is a stadium or a large hall in Jerusalem. It is then that the entire world will celebrate. This also will set off a chain of events, and many of the prophecies throughout the Bible will occur in the next three and one half days.

Revelation 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."

Revelation 11:10 "And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."

Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the spirit [breath] of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

Revelation 11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Revelation 11:14 "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

Remember that the first woe was the coming to earth of Satan, also called "Abaddon" in the Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in the Greek, with all his locust army to seduce the entire earth. This is what was taught in chapter nine. The first woe ended with their massive appearance on the earth that would cause the peoples of the earth to worship Satan as the Christ.

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.

 

[Riberra]

Why not say, I lean toward the post trib view for reasons, 1..., 2..., 3... etc. ? Rather than the mocking,

That is not really a mocking.I have stipulated many times the reasons why the pretrib or mid-trib rapture will not happen . Let me state this another way.If you agree that Jesus second coming will be at the end of the tribulation Who will make the pretrib or mid-trib rapture ?

which is only going to work against you, should the rapture take place at some other time.

The only gathering/rapture announced in the Bible will be when Jesus return at the End of the Great Tribulation.
The Rapture Theory; What Does God's Word Say About It?

 

[Riberra]

When the bible says the 12 tribes of Israel, why don't you just believe that, instead of trying to put a spin on it and say WE are the 12 tribes? That theory has been disproven countless times.

Just use a little common sense: a few thousand Jews were carried away captive to other places, and ended up staying, and mixing with MILLIONS or locals. Now, 2000 years later, some are saying that the MAJORITY or almost all - are descendants of Abraham? What? Did the descendants of Abraham have hundreds of children (per couple) over the years while the Gentile locals only had two or three? Of course that is SILLY to the extreme. There is no proof that Hebrew couples had many more children than Gentiles couples. Common sense tells us that over time, the descendants of Jacob would be less and less as a % of the population. It is complete silliness to even think most of the US population are descendants of Jacob.

LAMAD

The point is exactly that the actual descendants of the lost 12 tribes of Israel are NOT Jews.


As of Sep 18, 2000, there are only 13 million Jews on the planet (as per World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics), that is less than 1% of the total global population which is 6,099,686,302 (6 billion plus) as of 4:04 EDT Oct 1, 2000 per Popclock.

Those that we now call 'Jews' today are only a portion of the true Tribe of Judah who had intermixed with their Babylonian captors, the heathen and profane descendants of Cain - the first murderer. In other words, all those of the tribe of Judah are not Jews, and none of the lost Ten Tribes are Jews. It is important to understand the differences so that you know who the Bible is speaking about in a particular verse.

I have provided you with something who explain it very clearly ....here it is again read and learn.

In the Bible, who Are The People Of The House Of Israel, the House Of Judah, and The Jews,
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The difference between the peoples of Israel, Judah, and the Jews, ​

First of all, when studying Biblical history and prophecy, you mustn't confuse the House of Israel with the House of Judah. When you see the 'House of Israel' written of in the scriptures, it refers to the Ten Northern Tribes of Israel (now referred to as the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel). But when you see the 'House of Judah' spoken of, it refers to the Southern Kingdom consisting of peoples of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
Originally, when the Houses were still joined together, there were twelve Tribes. These Twelve Tribes became split into two Houses, one called the Northern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Sumaria, and the other called the Southern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Jerusalem. To this very day they are split, with the Ten Northern tribes having lost all knowledge of their identity, as was prophesied of to happen in Scripture:

Rom 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (KJV)
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But what ever became of Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel)? After a three years siege and the final fall of Samaria with it's becoming of an Assyrian Province in 611 BC (722 BC by profane history), Israel ceased to be and dropped out of history.
But Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes) were never lost to God, they migrated North over the Caucasus Mountains (where we get our word 'Caucasian' from) and settled Europe, eventually populating Scotland, Ireland, Britain, Iceland, and ultimately crossing westward over the seas and established the Americas.
Yes, we are the descendants of the lost Northern Ten Tribes of Israel. We are the chosen people of God. Look around the world, who is the last light of hope in the world? That does not mean that we are Jewish, for as you see by the division of the original 12 tribes descended from Jacob; Judah is only one of those tribes. As of Sep 18, 2000, there are only 13 million Jews on the planet (as per World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics), that is less than 1% of the total global population which is 6,099,686,302 (6 billion plus) as of 4:04 EDT Oct 1, 2000 per Popclock. But in God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob He promised:

Gen 13:16
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. (KJV)

Gen 17:4
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. (KJV)

Gen 28:14
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (KJV)

Gen 35:11
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; (KJV)

Gen 32:12
12 And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)
Rom 9:27
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (KJV)
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You do believe God don't you? Well then, where are all these people now?!? Those that we now call 'Jews' today are only a portion of the true Tribe of Judah who had intermixed with their Babylonian captors, the heathen and profane descendants of Cain - the first murderer. In other words, all those of the tribe of Judah are not Jews, and none of the lost Ten Tribes are Jews. It is important to understand the differences so that you know who the Bible is speaking about in a particular verse.

 

[Riberra]

Why do you keep saying this when it is BOGUS? Does Paul call his rapture a COMING?

1 Thes 4
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Is this a coming?
How about this?

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
John does not use the word "coming" but Jesus does come to earth. It is therefore a coming. It is NOT Paul's rapture coming. Therefore the bible shows us TWO MORE comings.

There are MANY verses that speak of His coming. We have to STUDY and show ourselves approved, so we know which coming each verse is speaking of. There are very clearly TWO MORE comings. Therefore your theory is BOGUS - only a MYTH.

LAMAD

There are very clearly TWO MORE comings

We know that Jesus First Advent was about 2,000 years ago.
We also know that Jesus Second Advent will be at the End of the great tribulation as mentioned in
{1st Cor 15:51-52}

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

the Rapture theory fabricates a pre-Second Advent advent, which is not in the Bible. In essence, what they have done is that they have made three advents out of the true two Advents of Jesus Christ as found in among other places, {Zech 9:9+10}. It is a falsehood created by man and added to God's Word.
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The Rapturist has been been beguiled with satan's false teaching that the above Scripture {1st Cor 15:51-52} is not speaking of the Second Advent, and that it is not a change that all people go through at THE SAME TIME, but rather that it is speaking of a 'Rapture' of some selected people. It was necessary for satan to remove the most damning evidence that he is not Christ, but that instead he is the antichrist.
Satan accomplished that by fabricating an entire facade about some supposed pre-Second Advent prior to the true Second Advent of the Son of God Jesus Christ. satan spawned the Rapture theory, in effect creating three Advents out of the two Advents written of in Scripture.

Source:
The Rapture Theory; What Does God's Word Say About It?


The Rapture theories all unanimously state that Christ shall remove certainChristians from the earth, and then at a later time He will come back and have His Second Advent and remove everyone else. They have fabricated a two-stage Second Advent! But as we shall learn in this study, when Jesus Christ does return at His Second Advent, all people living on the planet shall be changed into their spiritual body at the very same time, 'saint' and 'sinner' alike: "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" {1st Cor 15:52} and the millennium period (the thousand years of Revelation 20:3-7 & Ezek chapter 38 onward) shall commence. After that comes Judgment day {Rev 20:12-13} and the casting into the Lake of Fire (Hell) of the evil ones {Rev 20:14-15}, and the eternal Heaven age for the overcomers {Rev 21:1-4}.

1 Cor 15:51-52(the Second Advent of Jesus Christ)51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (KJV)
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You can see from the above Scripture that there is no secret Rapture of selected Christians, hence the use of the word "all" in verse 51. Those that sleep (dead) are raised first because it already had happened to them (raised to their spiritual body at the moment of their death, but they are yet to be judged) and we ALL who are alive at His coming are changed to our spiritual body at the return of Jesus Christ at His prophesied Second Advent.
You will also notice from verse 52 above that this event happens at the LAST TRUMP. There are only Seven Trumps {Rev 8:7-11:19}; the antichrist comes at the SIXTH Trump, and the true Jesus Christ returns at the SEVENTH Trump - the last Trump. We shall cover this verse more in depth later in this study, and we shall show that the Rapturist will be worshipping the great deceiver antichrist at the Sixth trump and sadly will be quite surprised when the True Christ returns at the Seventh Trump - to say the least! "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." {Luke 12:40}.

More :
The Rapture Theory; What Does God's Word Say About It?

 

[Riberra]

I wonder if the Jews of today even know what a Biblical Jew is.......

History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews

According to Strong's Greek Lexicon, the English word "Jewry" in this verse was translated from the Greek word #2449 Ioudaia {ee-oo-dah'-yah} feminine for the land of Judea. Modern translations no longer use the word "Jewry" but the correct translation, "Judea," as in the New American Standard Bible: "And after these things Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill Him." The New International Version uses the same word. However, these translations continue to improperly use the word "Jews" in the same verse. A consistent translation would read: ". . . He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Judeans were seeking to kill Him."

Every Jewish historian of note, and all encyclopaedias, Jewish and otherwise, agree that only a tiny remnant of so-called Jews is Semitic. None of these possess the faith of Abraham and few worship according to Yahweh Torah instituted by Moses. The few who are not atheistic or agnostic mostly follow Talmudic Judaism which is Pharisaism and anathema to Moses and the prophets.....................

Something that LAMAD should read with attention .

 

[Bible2]

iamlamad said in post 690:

First, if what you suggest was true, then all would know exactly the day Jesus would return. We all know that NO ONE will know.

Note that Matthew 24:36,42,44 refers to Jesus' 2nd coming (Matthew 24:37,42,44), which Jesus had just finished saying won't happen until immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). So in Matthew 24:42,44, Jesus can mean that only if believers don't watch (stay awake, spiritually) during the tribulation, the 2nd coming will happen at an hour they don't know/think not (cf. the if principle of Revelation 3:3b). In the context of Matthew 24:36,42,44, Jesus suggests that it is possible for believers to know when the 2nd coming will occur and to watch for it (Matthew 24:43-44a; 1 Thessalonians 5:4).

Also, Jesus says "of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Matthew 24:36), he doesn't say "of that day and hour no man will know". So it's possible that at a certain point in our future, some believers will come to know the date (as in the year, month, and day) of the 2nd coming before it happens. Also, if we mistakenly think that Jesus can come today or tomorrow (as is sometimes claimed by the pre-tribulation and preterist views), then how can we also claim that he will come when nobody thinks he will (Matthew 24:44)?

Also, compare the following: "of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Matthew 24:36), "the things of God knoweth no man" (1 Corinthians 2:11). If we claim that the first verse means that no man will ever know the date of the 2nd coming until it happens, then to be consistent we would have to also claim that the second verse means that no man, not even believers, can know the things of God until the 2nd coming. But who would say that? For the Holy Spirit can currently reveal to believers the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:12-13). He can currently guide them into all truth and show them what will happen in the future (John 16:13), including the date of the 2nd coming. For, again, Jesus suggests that it is possible for believers to know when the 2nd coming will occur and to watch for it (Matthew 24:43-44a; 1 Thessalonians 5:4). Also, what Amos 3:7 says would include the 2nd coming: Surely God the Father won't send Jesus back without having first revealed to some believers the secret of the date of the 2nd coming.

Jesus could return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in a 3rd Jewish temple (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

iamlamad said in post 690:

First, if what you suggest was true, then all would know exactly the day Jesus would return. We all know that NO ONE will know.

The unsaved people of the world will have no idea that most of them are going to be killed at Jesus' 2nd coming until it happens (Matthew 24:37-39). For they could think that the 2nd coming had already occurred with the coming into power of the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20), who could claim to be Jesus returned. And just as the people of the world shortly before Noah's flood, even though they could see or hear about Noah building his huge ark, no doubt rejected the idea that YHWH had the power to actually cause a global flood which would kill them, so the people of the world at the end of the future tribulation could reject the idea that YHWH has the power to actually defeat them.

For during the tribulation's 2nd half, the world will see the power of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and his fallen angels (Revelation 12:9), and the power Lucifer will give to the Antichrist to take over the entire earth (Revelation 13:4-8), and to utterly revile YHWH year after year without being destroyed (Revelation 13:5-6, Daniel 11:36), and to physically overcome and kill people in the church in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13). And the world will see the amazing miraculous powers that Lucifer will give to the Antichrist's False Prophet, by which he will be able to even call fire down from heaven in the sight of everyone (Revelation 13:13, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

And near the end of the future tribulation, the world will see the Antichrist's defeat of YHWH's amazingly-powerful 2 witnesses (Revelation 11:3-9), after which defeat the world will rejoice and make merry and send gifts to each other because the 2 witnesses had been sending plagues on the world (Revelation 11:10,6). And even though those plagues will be shortly followed by even more plagues from YHWH, poured out directly from heaven (Revelation 16, the tribulation's final stage), the people of the world won't lose their confidence that YHWH can still be defeated. For after almost all of the plagues from heaven are over, the world will see the awesome miraculous powers of some unclean spirits, convincing the world's armies to gather together for a battle against YHWH (Revelation 16:13-14, Revelation 19:19). And so the world could come to that battle at the very end of the tribulation with the same careless attitude as some people at the start of the American Civil War, who held picnics at the expected first battleground of Bull Run/Manassas to watch the battle and what they expected to be a quick and easy victory.

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iamlamad said in post 691:

John saw the church IN HEAVEN at the same time frame as the sealing.

Note that Revelation 7:9-17 doesn't require a pre-tribulation rapture. For in Revelation 7:9-17, the great multitude can be only that part of the church (Revelation 7:14b) which will enter the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, and then come out of it (Revelation 7:14) and enter heaven (Revelation 7:15) by dying (cf. Philippians 1:21,23; 2 Corinthians 5:8) during the 2nd through 6th seals in the chapter just prior (Revelation 6), the tribulation's 1st stage.

This would be similar to how the souls of "them that were slain for the word of God", who will be under the altar in heaven at the 5th seal (Revelation 6:9-11), will enter heaven by dying sometime before the 5th seal. And it would be similar to how those in the church who will be on the sea of glass in heaven (Revelation 15:2, cf. Revelation 12:11) at the tribulation's 7 last plagues (Revelation chapters 15-16), the tribulation's final stage, will enter heaven by dying during the just-preceding, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Regarding the rapture, note that no scripture requires that believers will be raptured any higher than the clouds of the sky (the 1st heaven) to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus at his 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). After that meeting, in which the church will be judged by Jesus (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27), and the obedient part of the church will be married to Jesus (Revelation 19:7, Matthew 25:1-13), the obedient part of the church will come back down from the sky (the 1st heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:15-21) to reign on the earth with him for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). After the 1,000 years and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), the obedient part of the church will live on the new earth with God the Father and Jesus in the literal city of New Jerusalem (Revelation chapters 21-22).

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iamlamad said in post 699:

This goes for His coming pretrib FOR His bride, and HIs coming Posttrib WITH His bride.

Note that Jesus' coming FOR his bride and WITH his bride will occur at the same 2nd coming. For 1 Thessalonians 3:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 show that at Jesus' 2nd coming, the souls of all obedient dead believers of all times will be brought down from the 3rd heaven with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15), and their souls will descend to the earth and their bodies will resurrect/rise from their graves (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Then they and all believers who will survive the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 on the earth (those who will still be "alive and remain") will be raptured up high into the air above the places all around the globe where they will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17a), and then they will be gathered together from the sky (the 1st heaven) all around the globe (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) to the one place in the sky where the returned Jesus will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17b), which will be right above Jerusalem, before he sets his feet on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4-5, Acts 1:11-12).

It's because of this 2nd-coming rapture into the sky, and then the gathering to where in the sky Jesus will be (and then the marriage of the obedient part of the church there to Jesus: Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), that the obedient part of the church will already be with Jesus when he subsequently descends from the sky (the 1st heaven) to the earth (Revelation 19:14, Revelation 17:14, Zechariah 14:5c,4).

 

[Douggg]

That is not really a mocking.

If you go back and remove the Santa and Santa Clause from your post, then it would not be mocking. But as it, you are mocking.

 

[iamlamad]

Something that LAMAD should read with attention .

Ezek. 37
9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


Now what am I going to believe -these words that God Himself wrote, or your crazy, man made theories?


LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

We know that Jesus First Advent was about 2,000 years ago.
We also know that Jesus Second Advent will be at the End of the great tribulation as mentioned in
{1st Cor 15:51-52}

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

You DON'T know that - you only THINK you know.

Paul wrote this verse as well as his letters to the Thessalonians. His thesis on the rapture - HIS rapture - in PRETRIB. Instead of arguing, why don't you go and study 1 Thes. 5? Paul TELLS US His rapture will be the trigger for the Day of the Lord.

We all know a trigger must be pulled first, before a gun goes off. I guess you think the gun goes off first, and then the trigger is pulled.

WAKE UP! Paul's sudden destruction that comes at the same time as his rapture is the WORLDWIDE earthquake at the 6th seal - and the 6th seal comes before the 7th seal that OPENS the 70th week.

LAMAD

the Rapture theory fabricates a pre-Second Advent advent, which is not in the Bible. In essence, what they have done is that they have made three advents out of the true two Advents of Jesus Christ as found in among other places, {Zech 9:9+10}. It is a falsehood created by man and added to God's Word.

The rapture is clearly written in the Word of God and is NOT a theory. If Riberra wants to be left behind, he certainly will be. God will NEVER take someone who does not wish to be taken. The truth is, God is coming VERY SOON FOR His bride, and that event will be the trigger for the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel.

The Rapturist has been been beguiled with satan's false teaching that the above Scripture {1st Cor 15:51-52} is not speaking of the Second Advent, and that it is not a change that all people go through at THE SAME TIME, but rather that it is speaking of a 'Rapture' of some selected people. It was necessary for satan to remove the most damning evidence that he is not Christ, but that instead he is the antichrist.
Satan accomplished that by fabricating an entire facade about some supposed pre-Second Advent prior to the true Second Advent of the Son of God Jesus Christ. satan spawned the Rapture theory, in effect creating three Advents out of the two Advents written of in Scripture. //quote]

The truth is, Riberra is lost in a doctrine of devils. Paul was very clear about the rapture of the church. Riberra simply IGNORES what is written. He will most certainly be LEFT BEHIND.

Source:
The Rapture Theory; What Does God's Word Say About It?


The Rapture theories all unanimously state that Christ shall remove certainChristians from the earth, and then at a later time He will come back and have His Second Advent and remove everyone else. They have fabricated a two-stage Second Advent! But as we shall learn in this study, when Jesus Christ does return at His Second Advent, all people living on the planet shall be changed into their spiritual body at the very same time, 'saint' and 'sinner' alike: "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" {1st Cor 15:52} and the millennium period (the thousand years of Revelation 20:3-7 & Ezek chapter 38 onward) shall commence. After that comes Judgment day {Rev 20:12-13} and the casting into the Lake of Fire (Hell) of the evil ones {Rev 20:14-15}, and the eternal Heaven age for the overcomers {Rev 21:1-4}.

Riberra IGNORES the parable of the 10 virgins. Riberra is a FOOLISH VIRGIN and is blinded by doctrines of devils and cannot see that he is a foolish virgin, SHORT ON THE HOLY SPIRIT. The door (to the rapture and so to the marriage) will be SHUT and he will be locked out.

1 Cor 15:51-52(the Second Advent of Jesus Christ)51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (KJV)
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You can see from the above Scripture that there is no secret Rapture of selected Christians, hence the use of the word "all" in verse 51. Those that sleep (dead) are raised first because it already had happened to them (raised to their spiritual body at the moment of their death, but they are yet to be judged) and we ALL who are alive at His coming are changed to our spiritual body at the return of Jesus Christ at His prophesied Second Advent.
You will also notice from verse 52 above that this event happens at the LAST TRUMP. There are only Seven Trumps {Rev 8:7-11:19}; the antichrist comes at the SIXTH Trump, and the true Jesus Christ returns at the SEVENTH Trump - the last Trump. We shall cover this verse more in depth later in this study, and we shall show that the Rapturist will be worshipping the great deceiver antichrist at the Sixth trump and sadly will be quite surprised when the True Christ returns at the Seventh Trump - to say the least! "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." {Luke 12:40}.

More of the doctrine of devils. PAUL wrote this verse as well as his 1 Thes. 4 verse, which are SISTER passages. Both refer to a pretrib rapture of the church. If Riberra wished to be left behind, IGNORING Luke 21:36, God will certainly honor that and he will be LEFT BEHIND.

LAMAD

 

[Douggg]

What part of "impossible" do you not understand? Either people WILL know the day, or they WON'T know the day of Jesus' return. Which is it? Of course the bible tells us NO ONE WILL KNOW.

So He does NOT come on day 1335 or ANY OTHER numbered day that people know or think they know. His coming will on a SURPRISE to all on the earth. This goes for His coming pretrib FOR His bride, and HIs coming Posttrib WITH His bride.

No-one knows the day nor hour before the 7 years begin. Once the 7 years begin, them who are believers will be able to piece together the events and count the 1335 days right up to the day that Jesus descends from heaven, but will also be aware because the whole wolrd will see Jesus before the throne of God for a period of time, for the armies of the world to assemble themselves in preparing to make war on Jesus.

The unbelievers will not know about the 1335 days count to Jesus's return - because they will be under strong delusion, once the Antichrist comes back to life, in what will be validation to them that he has obtained God-hood and overcome death.

Not only will believers know as the Jews become Christians in Revelation 12, but it says in the text that Satan knows, once he is cast down to earth. Which he knows what is coming the day that Jesus returns in Revelation 19 and 20, that he Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

When the abomination takes place PEOPLE WILL KNOW AROUND THE WORLD. It is sure to be on TV. So anyone could begin to count to 1260 to get to the last day of the week. SURPRISE! Jesus does NOT COME that day.

There is not a 1260 day count to the day that Jesus returns, unless they had enough insight to understand the two witnesses are killed at the exact midpoint of the 7 years.

Plus there is the 30 day leap month (to account for a 360 day/year to the 365.25 day/year) that has to be factored in to that first half if a person were actually doing the 1260 day counting of the two witnesses. The 30 day leap month must be in the first half because the exactness of the 1335th day, would preclude the 30 day leap month to being after the AOD is setup to be worshiped.

 

[Riberra]

You DON'T know that - you only THINK you know.

Paul wrote this verse as well as his letters to the Thessalonians. His thesis on the rapture - HIS rapture - in PRETRIB. Instead of arguing, why don't you go and study 1 Thes. 5? Paul TELLS US His rapture will be the trigger for the Day of the Lord.

We all know a trigger must be pulled first, before a gun goes off. I guess you think the gun goes off first, and then the trigger is pulled.

WAKE UP! Paul's sudden destruction that comes at the same time as his rapture is the WORLDWIDE earthquake at the 6th seal - and the 6th seal comes before the 7th seal that OPENS the 70th week.

LAMAD



The rapture is clearly written in the Word of God and is NOT a theory. If Riberra wants to be left behind, he certainly will be. God will NEVER take someone who does not wish to be taken. The truth is, God is coming VERY SOON FOR His bride, and that event will be the trigger for the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel.

LAMAD

By VERY SOON you are surely referring to the RED MOON RAPTURE MADNESS

2014-2015 - Red Moon Rapture

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In 2014 – 2015 a rare sequence of Tetrad Red Blood Moon lunar eclipses will occur on the Jewish Holidays of Passover and the Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles). Two solar eclipses will also occur in 2015 on the Jewish New Years for KINGS and Feast of Trumpets Holidays.

[/FONT]My prediction is that VERY SOON everybody will see how wrong you were.Nothing related to your above claims will happen "very soon" [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]In 2014 – 2015[/FONT]...no Worldwide Earthquake caused by the dead in Christ rising ...no pretrib rapture of LAMAD and those believing very-very hard to a pretrib rapture.All those BLOODY MOON will pass like the Mayan prediction have passed.
And LAMAD will not be humble enough to admit that he was flat wrong...but rather will come with another madness still in line with a pretrib or mid-trib rapture who will never happen.... Because the only gathering/rapture and the rising of the dead in Christ mentioned in the Bible will happen only when Jesus return at the END of the Great Tribulation.
Note those words.

 

[iamlamad]

No-one knows the day nor hour before the 7 years begin. Once the 7 years begin, them who are believers will be able to piece together the events and count the 1335 days right up to the day that Jesus descends from heaven, but will also be aware because the whole wolrd will see Jesus before the throne of God for a period of time, for the armies of the world to assemble themselves in preparing to make war on Jesus.

How amazing your theory makes the Word of God a lie, and you are oblivious to this fact. The truth is NO ONE WILL KNOW UNTIL HE HAS COME!

This is true for the rapture coming and the coming on the white horse. There simply is NO SET DAY of His coming, either FOR His bride or WITH His bride. ONLY the Father knows, and He is NOT TELLING. So the truth is, HE IS NOT coming on day 1335. That is simply a MYTH.

The unbelievers will not know about the 1335 days count to Jesus's return - because they will be under strong delusion, once the Antichrist comes back to life, in what will be validation to them that he has obtained God-hood and overcome death.

Not only will believers know as the Jews become Christians in Revelation 12, but it says in the text that Satan knows, once he is cast down to earth. Which he knows what is coming the day that Jesus returns in Revelation 19 and 20, that he Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit.

Who or what tells you the Jews become Christians Chapter 12? What verse are you looking at?

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
There is not a 1260 day count to the day that Jesus returns, unless they had enough insight to understand the two witnesses are killed at the exact midpoint of the 7 years.

You have been wrong on every count, and wrong again. The two witnesses SHOW UP 3 1/2 days before the abomination, testify for 1260 days, which brings them to 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial. They lay dead for 3 1/2 days, then rise up on the LAST DAY of the 70th week, at the 7th vial. If you will notice, their earthquake is the very same earthquake at the 7th vial.

Plus there is the 30 day leap month (to account for a 360 day/year to the 365.25 day/year) that has to be factored in to that first half if a person were actually doing the 1260 day counting of the two witnesses. The 30 day leap month must be in the first half because the exactness of the 1335th day, would preclude the 30 day leap month to being after the AOD is setup to be worshiped.

How do you know God factored in a "leap" month anywhere in the 2520 days? There is simply NO ROOM for it.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

By VERY SOON you are surely referring to the RED MOON RAPTURE MADNESS

2014-2015 - Red Moon Rapture

Excerpts
My prediction is that VERY SOON everybody will see how wrong you were.Nothing related to your above claims will happen "very soon" [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]In 2014 – 2015[/FONT]...no Worldwide Earthquake caused by the dead in Christ rising ...no pretrib rapture of LAMAD and those believing very-very hard to a pretrib rapture.All those BLOODY MOON will pass like the Mayan prediction have passed.
And LAMAD will not be humble enough to admit that he was flat wrong...but rather will come with another madness still in line with a pretrib or mid-trib rapture who will never happen.... Because the only gathering/rapture and the rising of the dead in Christ mentioned in the Bible will happen only when Jesus return at the END of the Great Tribulation.
Note those words.

I don't set dates. Only idiots set dates for the rapture. "Soon" is close enough. It is amazing you are predicting what will NOT be, yet condemning me for saying what WILL BE. Only time will tell. However, I will not be able to give you an "I told you so" when I am flying up to heaven.

LAMAD

 

[Douggg]

How amazing your theory makes the Word of God a lie, and you are oblivious to this fact. The truth is NO ONE WILL KNOW UNTIL HE HAS COME!

That may be what the JW's teach about Jesus's return in the early 1900's invisibily, but it is not what the bible says.

First, the world will see the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, then it will see Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven in Great Power and Glory.

The sign of the Son of Man in heaven is everyone will see him in Revelation 6 before the throne of God, sickle in hand, to carry out judgment, which will cause the world to gather their armies to fight Jesus as it says in Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

So it is not going to be some secret, suddenly, Jesus appears and descends from heaven in one day.

This is true for the rapture coming and the coming on the white horse. There simply is NO SET DAY of His coming, either FOR His bride or WITH His bride. ONLY the Father knows, and He is NOT TELLING. So the truth is, HE IS NOT coming on day 1335. That is simply a MYTH.

The rapture is different. There is not going to be any sign of the Son of Man in heaven before it happens.

Jesus is not descending down from heaven to earth on day 1335, but day 2520, the last day of the 7 years. It is not day 1335, but the 1335th day.

The 1335th day is from the day the AOD is setup to be worshiped. There are no futher days in Daniel 12. Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel 8, Daniel 9, Daniel 11, Daniel 12, all end with the day that Jesus returns. Learn the lesson of Jesus said about his first coming to his Second Coming - Luke 24: 44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Who or what tells you the Jews become Christians Chapter 12? What verse are you looking at?

It is in Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Then in Revelation 12:17, the remanent of the woman, keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. Those are the Jews having come to Christ.

"Now salvation is come", meaning in the present at that future time, which by comparison since the time of Luke 24:44-48 salvation has been broadly preached throughout the world and received by many, but not received by the Jews. It is not until the middle part of the 7 years, coinciding with the war in heaven and Satan cast down, in the time of the seventh angel sounding in Revelation 10, that the mystery of God be completed which is the bringing of the Jews to Christ.

How do you know God factored in a "leap" month anywhere in the 2520 days? There is simply NO ROOM for it.

LAMAD

Well, it has to be done as a matter of synchronizing the 360 days year with the 365.25 day year once the 7 years begin because the earth orbits around the sun 365.25 days in a year. For our purposes, we cannot factor in the 30 day leap month because we don't know when the 7 years begin on what future calendar day, which is why no-one knows the day nor hour - until after the AOD is setup to be worshiped. The count is not at the start of the seven years, but the day the AOD is setup to be worshiped, 1335 days from then.

 

[n2thelight]

The point is exactly that the actual descendants of the lost 12 tribes of Israel are NOT Jews.


As of Sep 18, 2000, there are only 13 million Jews on the planet (as per World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics), that is less than 1% of the total global population which is 6,099,686,302 (6 billion plus) as of 4:04 EDT Oct 1, 2000 per Popclock.

Those that we now call 'Jews' today are only a portion of the true Tribe of Judah who had intermixed with their Babylonian captors, the heathen and profane descendants of Cain - the first murderer. In other words, all those of the tribe of Judah are not Jews, and none of the lost Ten Tribes are Jews. It is important to understand the differences so that you know who the Bible is speaking about in a particular verse.

I have provided you with something who explain it very clearly ....here it is again read and learn.

In the Bible, who Are The People Of The House Of Israel, the House Of Judah, and The Jews, ​

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The difference between the peoples of Israel, Judah, and the Jews, ​

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First of all, when studying Biblical history and prophecy, you mustn't confuse the House of Israel with the House of Judah. When you see the 'House of Israel' written of in the scriptures, it refers to the Ten Northern Tribes of Israel (now referred to as the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel). But when you see the 'House of Judah' spoken of, it refers to the Southern Kingdom consisting of peoples of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
Originally, when the Houses were still joined together, there were twelve Tribes. These Twelve Tribes became split into two Houses, one called the Northern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Sumaria, and the other called the Southern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Jerusalem. To this very day they are split, with the Ten Northern tribes having lost all knowledge of their identity, as was prophesied of to happen in Scripture:

Rom 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (KJV)

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But what ever became of Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel)? After a three years siege and the final fall of Samaria with it's becoming of an Assyrian Province in 611 BC (722 BC by profane history), Israel ceased to be and dropped out of history.
But Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes) were never lost to God, they migrated North over the Caucasus Mountains (where we get our word 'Caucasian' from) and settled Europe, eventually populating Scotland, Ireland, Britain, Iceland, and ultimately crossing westward over the seas and established the Americas.
Yes, we are the descendants of the lost Northern Ten Tribes of Israel. We are the chosen people of God. Look around the world, who is the last light of hope in the world? That does not mean that we are Jewish, for as you see by the division of the original 12 tribes descended from Jacob; Judah is only one of those tribes. As of Sep 18, 2000, there are only 13 million Jews on the planet (as per World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics), that is less than 1% of the total global population which is 6,099,686,302 (6 billion plus) as of 4:04 EDT Oct 1, 2000 per Popclock. But in God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob He promised:

Gen 13:16
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. (KJV)

Gen 17:4
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. (KJV)

Gen 28:14
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (KJV)

Gen 35:11
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; (KJV)

Gen 32:12
12 And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)
Rom 9:27
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (KJV)

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You do believe God don't you? Well then, where are all these people now?!? Those that we now call 'Jews' today are only a portion of the true Tribe of Judah who had intermixed with their Babylonian captors, the heathen and profane descendants of Cain - the first murderer. In other words, all those of the tribe of Judah are not Jews, and none of the lost Ten Tribes are Jews. It is important to understand the differences so that you know who the Bible is speaking about in a particular verse.

Amen Great site too,by the way.........

 

[Old Timer]

Now there's a shock...

The true Israel isn't actually Israel at all... that nation over there that is hated and surrounded by its sworn enemies..

Just an illusion folks.. nothing to see here..

SEE...

It ALWAYS comes down to ISRAEL..

The real Israel... yes, the one which the god of this world has convinced the masses that it means nothing..

We are ISRAEL.. the BODY of ISRAEL.. The Super Spiritual Body of Israel !

That settles it.. anything else is Satanic Deception..

 

[Riberra]

Now there's a shock...

The true Israel isn't actually Israel at all...

The point is about who a true Biblical Jew is.
What happened to the Biblical Jews and if the actual citizen of Israel are really descendants of true Biblical Jews.

Here a complement to the above study... about the migration of the tribes of Israel

Link:
The re-formation of Israel in the west. Israel's migrations to "the appointed place."

This excellent map charts the migrations of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel as they migrated north and west after the Assyrian captivity 721 (611 by Bullinger's dating) when they dropped out of the Biblical narrative and secular history supposedly. PS: They are not the so-called modern day Jews!

Excerpts:

Old Testament Israel are now the Anglo-Saxon Christian peoples of The U.K. and the Americas. The story from Gen 2:7 - Rev 7:8:​

There has been much confusion over who is Israel and who are Christians in regards to the end-time prophecies in the book of Revelation. Much of the confusion is due in no small part to the false teaching of a Pretrib Rapture doctrine wherein they 'need' the Christian Church to be gone after {Rev 4:1} for support of their errant theories. And if they were to accept that the 144,000 'sealed of Israel' {Rev chp.7} are not Jews but rather Christians from the 10 lost tribes of Israel then their Rapture theory washes of it's foundation of sand.
The entire Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament, the book of Revelation, even past {Rev 4:1} all the way to the last chapter "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches..." {Rev 22:16} is written to and/or about the Christian Church, that faithful church of God, some of it history, some prophecy, some warning and admonition, some instruction, but all of it for God’s chosen people, the planting of the Lord {Isa 61:3} as they moved from the Garden of Eden into present day history and then beyond into the eternity. It is the true Christian, the followers of Christ who are the light to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus the Son of God, that shall fulfill the prophecy and, for God, by God, spread the Gospel of God during the end-time troubles:



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Israel punished:
Because of idolatry, God punished Israel, and The Ten Tribe Israel nation was taken into captivity by the Assyrians and Israel became a province of Assyria in 611 B.C.* and the people Israel dropped out of the Biblical narrative and profane history as well for the most part. They became not a people (lo-ammi).
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In the process of time SOME of the Kingdom of Judah were allowed to return to Jerusalem, most did not. So this small contingent of the Tribe of Judah stayed in Jerusalem and intermarried with the Babylonians, as well as the Edomites (sons of Esau Jacob/Israels’s brother by Isaac) and the Kenites (sons of Cain, which was the son of the serpent/satan {Gen 3:15}). These formed their own religion that was much different than the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews. These who are now called "Jews" added to the Old Testament Scriptures their own "Oral Law" called Talmud. This of course was a corruption of God’s Old Testament religion and the work of satan.

It is these Jews that were in control of the Temple during Christ’s time, it is them that Christ so often chastised and rebuked, it is them that Jesus told:

John 8:44
44 Ye are of [progeny; Greek word #1537 ek (out of)] your father the devil [satan - the serpent in the Garden of Eden], and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning [Cain - Kenites], and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it[satan/serpent uttered first lie (Gen 3:4)]. (KJV)
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And it is them that killed the Son of God Jesus Christ by forcing the hand of pagan Rome. So today, when someone calls themselves a Jew they most likely aren’t, they are just ignorant to the preceding events. Not all of Israel or Judah are Jews and none of the Jews are Israel or Judah. It is these Jews that are in large number in modern day Israel (though there are also some true Judah and Israel there as well - they should be properly called Hebrews not Jews - but they don’t know this, it has been kept from them, they don’t know who they are, they have been betrayed by their parents ... parents ... parents). But all can be saved through Christ Jesus!
So in a perversion of truth, these Jews call themselves the chosen of God but in fact are the offspring of Judah that intermarried with the heathen peoples and formed their own perverted religion that disobeys God at almost every turn. The Jewish Anti Defamation League (among others) has suppressed this type of information and labels those who teach it as "anti-Semitic" or "racist" to discredit them, hide the truth, and proliferate the apostasy away from God (though some racists take this teaching and equally in ignorance use it in hate, we are not among that group). But the term "anti-Semetic" is itself a misnomer, for those called "Jews" have very little if any Semitic blood in their veins and they have apostate into heathen religion and forsook God. They have more blood of Cain (Kenites) and the Edomites (Esua - Khazer Jews of Russia) in their veins than blood of Israel or true Judah for that matter. Call it the fox in the hen house if you will. But NOT ALL HEBREW PEOPLE ARE JEWS, in fact, very very very few Hebrew peoples became Jews, and true Israel and true Judah know not who they are.

Ok, so what happened to Israel, the Ten Tribe Northern Kingdom? Did they die off? God forbid, for had they, then God’s Word would have failed, for God promised Abraham that his seed should be as the sand of the sea for multitude:

Gen 32:9-12
9 And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the LORD which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee................(Gen 32:12) And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)
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Well, there are only 13 million Jews on the Planet of over 6 billion people (less that one percent) so where is the multitude as the sand of the sea? Did God make a mistake, or lie to Abraham in the Covenant? Of course not!!! This is not possible, God cannot lie {Titus 1:2}! Below we shall show where Israel is today, and we will also clarify who Judah is and the Kenites and the Gentiles.

In the Bible, who Are The People Of The House Of Israel,
the House Of Judah, The Jews, And The Kenites?
The difference between the peoples of Israel, Judah, the Jews,
and the Kenites (the sons of Cain, the first murderer)​

First of all, when studying Biblical history and prophecy, you mustn't confuse the House of Israel with the House of Judah. When you see the 'House of Israel' written of in the scriptures, it refers to the Ten Northern Tribes of Israel (now referred to as the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel). But when you see the 'House of Judah' spoken of, it refers to the Southern Kingdom consisting of peoples of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
Originally, when the Houses were still joined together, there were twelve Tribes. These Twelve Tribes became split into two Houses, one called the Northern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Samaria, and the other called the Southern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Jerusalem. To this very day they are split, with the Ten Northern tribes having lost all knowledge of their identity, as was prophesied of to happen in Scripture:

Rom 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (KJV)
​

But what ever became of Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel)? After a three years siege and the final fall of Samaria with it's becoming of an Assyrian Province in 611 B.C. (722 B.C. by profane history), Israel ceased to be and dropped out of history.
But Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes) were never lost to God, they migrated North over the Caucasus Mountains (where we get our word 'Caucasian' from) and settled Europe, eventually populating Scotland, Ireland, Britain, Iceland, and ultimately crossing westward over the seas and established the Americas.
Yes we are the descendants of the lost Northern Ten Tribes of Israel. We are the chosen people of God. Look around the world, who is the last light of hope in the world? That does not mean that we are Jewish, for as you see by the division of the original 12 tribes descended from Jacob/Israel; Judah is only one of those twelve tribes, and Jews are only a small portion of them who mixed with the heathen both physically and religiously. As of Jan 2, 2000, there are only 13 million Jews on the planet (as per World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics), that is less than 1% of the total global population which is 6,099,686,302 (6 billion plus) as of 4:04 EDT Oct 1, 2000 per Popclock™. But in God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob He promised:

Gen 13:16
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. (KJV)
Gen 17:4
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. (KJV)
Gen 28:14
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (KJV)
Gen 35:11
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; (KJV)

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Do you know who you are? God Bless!

 

[Old Timer]

As if you know better than God who a Jew is an who isn't one..

Because in Christ there is NEITHER Jew or Gentile and yet that doesn't matter one iota to those who can't see the actual Israel right in front of their own eyes.. and who have been deceived into believing the lie that THEY are Israel..

If that's not Satanic Deception, then what is?

 

[Riberra]

As if you know better than God who a Jew is an who isn't one..

Because in Christ there is NEITHER Jew or Gentile and yet that doesn't matter one iota to those who can't see the actual Israel right in front of their own eyes.. and who have been deceived into believing the lie that THEY are Israel..

If that's not Satanic Deception, then what is?

I see that you have not read anything who could have provided you some knowledge that the majority of those living in Israel today are not descendants from Biblical Jews.
These formed their own religion that was much different than the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews. These who are now called "Jews" added to the Old Testament Scriptures their own "Oral Law" called Talmud. This of course was a corruption of God’s Old Testament religion and the work of satan.


It is these Jews that are in large number in modern day Israel (though there are also some true Judah and Israel there as well - they should be properly called Hebrews not Jews - but they don’t know this, it has been kept from them, they don’t know who they are, they have been betrayed by their parents ... parents ... parents). But all can be saved through Christ Jesus!


Do you even know that the Talmud is the religious book that is used since the foundation of the modern Israel in 1948.

Read and learn:
The re-formation of Israel in the west. Israel's migrations to "the appointed place."
This excellent map charts the migrations of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel as they migrated north and west after the Assyrian captivity 721 (611 by Bullinger's dating) when they dropped out of the Biblical narrative and secular history supposedly. PS: They are not the so-called modern day Jews!