Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[Elder 111]

VictorC made it clear to you that: "The seventh day "IS .... " is relative to present and future seventh days, not to God's creation rest.

We can agree that God is commanding the Children of Israel to keep the seventh day as a Sabbath unto God.

You will alway fail to see what Jesus confirms that it's within this commandment, that
Sabbath is actual being made and tailored for the Children of Isreal (man) and everyone and everything within their borders.

Jesus is Lord. Does that mean He never was? Or that He is only Lord now and in the future?
Adam was an Israelite? Or is it that the term man is only in reference to Jews? Gen. 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

 

[Elder 111]

Getting back to biblical facts.
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Note the text very carefully and consider the facts that we should take into account.

1. The First day of the week at midnight would be Saturday night in our time. The days was reckoned from evening. We should therefore understand that they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued to on into Saturday night/first day of the week.
2. For certain there were no Sunday service for the next morning/Sunday Paul was on his way. 13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus is Lord. Does that mean He never was? Or that He is only Lord now and in the future?
Adam was an Israelite? Or is it that the term man is only in reference to Jews? Gen. 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Don't follow you at all here.

 

[from scratch]

Getting back to biblical facts.
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Note the text very carefully and consider the facts that we should take into account.

1. The First day of the week at midnight would be Saturday night in our time. The days was reckoned from evening. We should therefore understand that they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued to on into Saturday night/first day of the week.
2. For certain there were no Sunday service for the next morning/Sunday Paul was on his way. 13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.

This isn't a continuation of the 7th day Sabbath assembly at the synagogue. Read the text you quoted.

 

[BobRyan]

Gen. 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Which is why so many people get the point that the 4th commandment remains valid for the saints of God today.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Getting back to biblical facts.
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Note the text very carefully and consider the facts that we should take into account.

1. The First day of the week at midnight would be Saturday night in our time. The days was reckoned from evening. We should therefore understand that they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued to on into Saturday night/first day of the week.
2. For certain there were no Sunday service for the next morning/Sunday Paul was on his way. 13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.

Indeed - all true.

And what is more interesting is that in Acts 13 you have Sabbath after Sabbath gospel evangelism to gentiles and to Jews - but primarily gentiles with "Almost the entire city" showing up.

Nothing like that ever recorded in the NT for 'week-day-1'

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

And still this fight goes on----amazing how hard people fight to go against the written and spoken word of God! How anyone can say that the Sabbath is not the 7th day of creation week is beyond ludicrous when it is so plain! God did something on that day--, .

God said "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God" Ex 20:8-11 "Made for mankind" Mark 2:27 and a time when "all mankind shall come before Me to worship" Is 66 in the New Heavens and New Earth.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Did the Judaizers keep the Sabbath and want the new gentile converts to Christianity to do the same?

Did the Judaizers read the Bible and want the new converts to do the same/ well then does that prove that the Bible is evil??

Or.. maybe another flawed argument against God's Word as Christ calls the Ten Commandments in Mark 7.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Cribstyl]

Jesus is Lord. Does that mean He never was? Or that He is only Lord now and in the future?
Adam was an Israelite? Or is it that the term man is only in reference to Jews? Gen. 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

If we're talking about Ex 20:10 why cant you present and face facts about your favorite commandment.

The command to labour six days is clearly what the children of Israel 'shall', ' will', do (present and future.)
The seventh day in this context is clearly present and future.

Exo 20:9
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

"In it" is relative to weekly seventh days to come.
There should be no question that this text is talking about weekly seventh days to come, rather than the seventh day of creation.

 

[Cribstyl]

Getting back to biblical facts.
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Note the text very carefully and consider the facts that we should take into account.

1. The First day of the week at midnight would be Saturday night in our time. The days was reckoned from evening. We should therefore understand that they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued to on into Saturday night/first day of the week.
2. For certain there were no Sunday service for the next morning/Sunday Paul was on his way. 13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.

Strike#1. The text makes it clear that the disciples came together to break bread on the first day of the week.
Strike#2. They did NOT come together on the first day of the week for a sabbath meeting.

Strike#3. The text makes it clear that Paul preached to them on the first day of the week, not the sabbath.

Three strikes you're out.

 

[from scratch]

The Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Which is why so many people get the point that the 4th commandment remains valid for the saints of God today.

in Christ,

Bob

Isa 66:23 has nothing to do with the Sabbath. If one reads what's there they easily see it says worship God all week.

There aren't many that get the point of the Sabbath as you do. It's easily less than 1%.

 

[Cribstyl]

The Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Which is why so many people get the point that the 4th commandment remains valid for the saints of God today.

in Christ,

Bob

Strike #1. No approved version of the bible say that Sabbath was made for mankind. SDA have to change the truth.

Mar 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Here is why the word man implies only the children of Israel.

1. God said: I gave Sabbath to the Children of Israel as a covenant between ME and THEM.

 

[from scratch]

Indeed - all true.

And what is more interesting is that in Acts 13 you have Sabbath after Sabbath gospel evangelism to gentiles and to Jews - but primarily gentiles with "Almost the entire city" showing up.

Nothing like that ever recorded in the NT for 'week-day-1'

in Christ,

Bob

Yeah right going to the Jewish synagogue to evangelize the gentiles. Paul's statement is to preach the Gospel to the Jews first. The evangelization of the gentile you mention is a coincidental evangelism of the Jews.

 

[from scratch]

God said "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God" Ex 20:8-11 "Made for mankind" Mark 2:27 and a time when "all mankind shall come before Me to worship" Is 66 in the New Heavens and New Earth.

in Christ,

Bob

No Bob it says very clearly from ... to. It doesn't say on.

 

[from scratch]

Did the Judaizers read the Bible and want the new converts to do the same/ well then does that prove that the Bible is evil??

No that doesn't make the Bible evil. I don't make the Sabbath evil either. You can keep some form of the Sabbath if you like. That is within Christian liberty. To required it for salvation is evil and against God's Word.

The Judaizers were converting some to Judaism from Christianity, not to Christianity.

Or.. maybe another flawed argument against God's Word as Christ calls the Ten Commandments in Mark 7.

in Christ,

Bob

I guess its OK to goad and flame me by saying that I'm teaching the commandments of men. I understand.

 

[mercy1061]

If we're talking about Ex 20:10 why cant you present and face facts about your favorite commandment.

The command to labour six days is clearly what the children of Israel 'shall', ' will', do (present and future.)
The seventh day in this context is clearly present and future.

Exo 20:9
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

"In it" is relative to weekly seventh days to come.
There should be no question that this text is talking about weekly seventh days to come, rather than the seventh day of creation.

You say the 10 commandments were given only to the children of Israel; of course the children of Israel married the Canaanites against Abraham's wishes; they had children, consequently they were a mixed multitude when they left Egypt and received the 10 commandments. The Sabbath was not only rest for the jews but also their slaves , their animals. Slaves were like Hagar, they were foreigners, strangers; animals are certainly not jews. The animals were not exempt from keeping Sabbath holy!

Ex 20
8 “Remember the day, Shabbat, to set it apart for God. 9 You have six days to labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Shabbat for Adonai your God. On it, you are not to do any kind of work — not you, your son or your daughter, not your male or female slave, not your livestock, and not the foreigner staying with you inside the gates to your property. 11 For in six days, Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. This is why Adonai blessed the day, Shabbat, and separated it for himself.

Those who lived inside the promise land were to keep the Sabbath holy. If you seek to enter the land of promise, you should honor Sabbath; Yeshua was speaking to jews who honored Sabbath; he promised them rest. Of course, that mixed multitude received the 10 commandments while they walked by faith outside the gates of the Israel. The gates of the holy city were not built yet.

 

[VictorC]

Jesus is Lord. Does that mean He never was? Or that He is only Lord now and in the future?

For this comparison to have validity, you would need to demonstrate how the seventh day continued to exist - not only 2.1+ million days later, but before creation itself to match the eternal nature of the Living God. Bottom line: your comparison is invalid.

Verbal tenses have great meaning in Scripture, as Jesus demonstrated according to John 8.

48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.​

Jesus revealed His pre-incarnate divinity with His revealed name, which is a verb in the present tense, contrasted with Abraham described in the past-tense.
Forcing your theology into the Bible violates the verbs Scripture uses. They have meaning, that you still can't reconcile your opinions with.

Adam was an Israelite?

Red herring. Adam didn't have the Sabbath.

Or is it that the term man is only in reference to Jews? Gen. 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Red herring. Adam didn't have the Sabbath.
And even your appeal to the Mosaic covenant proves that he didn't.

 

[VictorC]

Getting back to biblical facts.
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Note the text very carefully and consider the facts that we should take into account.

1. The First day of the week at midnight would be Saturday night in our time. The days was reckoned from evening. We should therefore understand that they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued to on into Saturday night/first day of the week.
2. For certain there were no Sunday service for the next morning/Sunday Paul was on his way. 13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.

You enjoy introducing straw man arguments. Go and take this to a forum where others will address this diversion from the topic.

 

[VictorC]

Did the Judaizers read the Bible and want the new converts to do the same/ well then does that prove that the Bible is evil??

Or.. maybe another flawed argument against God's Word as Christ calls the Ten Commandments in Mark 7.

in Christ,

Bob

Let me get this straight: Your argument is that Judaizers aren't evil unless the Bible becomes evil? There is no relation between these disparate entities.

 

[VictorC]

And still this fight goes on----amazing how hard people fight to go against the written and spoken word of God! How anyone can say that the Sabbath is not the 7th day of creation week is beyond ludicrous when it is so plain! God did something on that day--, .

God said "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God" Ex 20:8-11 "Made for mankind" Mark 2:27 and a time when "all mankind shall come before Me to worship" Is 66 in the New Heavens and New Earth.

in Christ,

Bob

Even Bob produced evidence that proves the seventh day of the creation account wasn't a Sabbath.

Of course Bob wants everybody to return to burnt offerings necessary to observe the new moons, which he isn't willing to do himself - but that deviates from the topic.

Are you noticing that your fellow Adventists can't support your premise, mmksparbud?