Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[BobRyan]

All!Did you notice Jews only? No one else?Why did God include the stranger? Why was Ruth and the harlot of Canaan included? Why did the gentles keep it? Why were there no objections from the apostle about it? Again every man.

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You raise some very good points.

And of course as we see in Isaiah 66 God says the Sabbath is for "ALL mankind".

Just as in Mark 2:27 "made for mankind".

How nice that even the pro-sunday source in my signature line below - all affirm the continued authority of the 4th commandment - even for saints today.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath command is the only one that says remember, why? Remember something that never was known? The Sabbath is the only commandment that is a problem why? None of them was written before and I maintain, even though you have rejected the idea, that all are to be treated the same way. Exclude all or include all.

It was before sin and it will be after sin Gen 2 Isa 66:22-23.

Good point. And as you will notice in sections 19 and 21 of the Baptist Confession of Faith - even they admit that the Sabbath was given to mankind in Eden.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

You gone back to the same premise. The Sabbath command is the only one that says remember, why? Remember something that never was known? The Sabbath is the only commandment that is a problem why? None of them was written before and I maintain, even though you have rejected the idea, that all are to be treated the same way. Exclude all or include all.

It was before sin and it will be after sin Gen 2 Isa 66:22-23.

It is interesting that even the pro-sunday keeping sources mentioned in my signature line - see the point that you make above clearly.

Pretty easy point for all to see.

Yeppers like I said in some other threads more spam. The above appears in several threads.

1. It is uncountable the number of times you post the same failed argument on multiple threads - I try not to notice.

2. You have repeatedly accused those who do not agree with you of "having a reading problem" -- and then here on this thread when I post to Elder111 an affirmation of a point he has made - you claim I am spamming him -- presumably because i do not whine about his post as you have done.

3. you make the vacuous charge that I keep posting to Elder 111 that his point about The Sabbath being in existence before sin - being a point so obvious, so apparent, that even the pro-sunday sources listed in my signature line agree with Elder 111 on that point. Please show the other posts where I have said that about Elder111's post.

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Elder 111]

Was Ruth dear present at Sinai? Or did she convert to Judaism? If she converted she was no longer a stranger and your argument fails. Yes you might say she wasn't circumcised and there by avoid Ex 12:48. There isn't any such requirement for women. You'll do anything to get around Ex 12:48. Why not just cut it out of your Bible? You can't cut it out of mine.

Yes, Ruth converted and was part of the root of David and therefore Jesus. What a wonderful privilege. She became a seed of Abraham as did Rahab. The same is still true today. We who are in Christ become the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise. We concert to righteousness and righteous living by the Holy Spirit. The guidelines of which are expressed in the Ten commandments written in our Hearts.

 

[JacobLaw]

I'm just a might put out with the run-a-round game the pro law people do. They can't reconcile one verse with another. They divorce every text from the Bible. That way it always agrees with them. But its funny to watch them contradict themselves when they move to a different text. I've come to the conclusion they really believe nothing.

I've come to the conclusion they really believe nothing

This is amazing observation!

The reality is that whenever the truth is ignored the bottom line arrives to the same conclusion. What is interesting that is the finality of its results!

Furthermore; the premises associated with assertions not consistent with the facts requires assumptions to be accepted that build non-existent reality. The original assumptions is soon forgotten and obscured when questioned challenged and ever re-challenged, this willing ignorance remains the menace of the truth and ultimately the demised of continued consent.

Good job Scratch

 

[mercy1061]

Are you reading the thread? I quoted Moses and the prophets to Elder. I ask you the same question - are those verses in your Bible? Please tell me who I should believe. I think I should believe all the Bible you have conflicting with itself. No wonder Christianity has a problem.

Did Adam keep Sabbath? Did Adam rest or fall into a deep sleep?

 

[Cribstyl]

1. It is uncountable the number of times you post the same failed argument on multiple threads - I try not to notice.

2. You have repeatedly accused those who do not agree with you of "having a reading problem" -- and then here on this thread when I post to Elder111 an affirmation of a point he has made - you claim I am spamming him -- presumably because i do not whine about his post as you have done.

3. you make the vacuous charge that I keep posting to Elder 111 that his point about The Sabbath being in existence before sin - being a point so obvious, so apparent, that even the pro-sunday sources listed in my signature line agree with Elder 111 on that point. Please show the other posts where I have said that about Elder111's post.

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

in Christ,

Bob

Well, I've notice that you're the illusive one. God said clearly and the scriptures reenforces that sabbaths are between God and the children of Israel. The sabbath cannot be both a creation ordinance and an exclussive sign as God said it was. Gen 2:1-3 does not say anything about man given God's seventh day rest.
Psalms and Hebrews proves that those first invited did not enter God's rest from creation.
Go ahead and prove that working 6 days and resting on the 7th day was present before sin. What bible are you reading?

 

[Cribstyl]

So when was the Sabbath made if not at creation?

It's your burden to prove your claims with scriptures. The scriptures that SDA try to manipulate (Gen 2:1-3) is reenforced proving that only God rested on the seventh day.

 

[JacobLaw]

Well, I've notice that you're the illusive one. God said clearly and the scriptures reenforces that sabbaths are between God and the children of Israel. The sabbath cannot be both a creation ordinance and an exclussive sign as God said it was. Gen 2:1-3 does not say anything about man given God's seventh day rest.
Psalms and Hebrews proves that those first invited did not enter God's rest from creation.
Go ahead and prove that working 6 days and resting on the 7th day was present before sin. What bible are you reading?

I have to agree, I cannot find anything that infers that man had a 7 day Sabbath especially before the fall or after until Moses.
Now before the fall maybe the rest was continuous after that I'm just not sure, maybe I need to hear more.

 

[from scratch]

i



You raise some very good points.

And of course as we see in Isaiah 66 God says the Sabbath is for "ALL mankind".

Just as in Mark 2:27 "made for mankind".

How nice that even the pro-sunday source in my signature line below - all affirm the continued authority of the 4th commandment - even for saints today.

in Christ,

Bob

No Jesus doesn't.

Why do you continue to present lies through you signature? These have been refuted by Bugkiller from your sources no less.

 

[VictorC]

Yes, Ruth converted and was part of the root of David and therefore Jesus. What a wonderful privilege. She became a seed of Abraham as did Rahab. The same is still true today. We who are in Christ become the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise. We concert to righteousness and righteous living by the Holy Spirit. The guidelines of which are expressed in the Ten commandments written in our Hearts.

So much of your post is speculative to the point that it merely asserts an unsupportable opinion. Adding to this, your closing comments are contrary to your previous posts, as I pointed out two days ago:

Your actions prove conclusively that whatever claim you made that the Mosaic covenant is written into your heart and mind is completely null and void.

Offering the usual regurgitated Adventist dogma you've proven false at the personal level illustrates the fallacy of the dogma.

 

[VictorC]

It's your burden to prove your claims with scriptures. The scriptures that SDA try to manipulate (Gen 2:1-3) is reenforced proving that only God rested on the seventh day.

And this very passage is quoted in Hebrews 4:4 to document God's rest that remained a promise those who had the Sabbath had not attained.

 

[Cribstyl]

I have to agree, I cannot find anything that infers that man had a 7 day Sabbath especially before the fall or after until Moses.
Now before the fall maybe the rest was continuous after that I'm just not sure, maybe I need to hear more.

The elephant in the room is: Everything that God requires from men are in His covenants.

Before Moses was given the tablets of stone (words of the covenant), God explained that the Sabbath was given to set His people apart from other nations. His chosen people were the Children of Israel.

The fact that sabbath was an exclussive covenant......Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

..and the New Testamant proving that Gentile nations were aliens, foreigners and strangers to all of God's covenants.
Eph 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


If sabbath was a covenant, how can you safely say, it was a creation ordinance?

PS. I trust the living word of God over commentary.

 

[from scratch]

1. It is uncountable the number of times you post the same failed argument on multiple threads - I try not to notice.

How many times must you be shown the truth? And why do you deny what even your sources say about the 4th commandment and Sunday? Its because it doesn't fit your position. If I didn't know some of those people you cite out of context, I might swallow your misrepresentation of what they say.

2. You have repeatedly accused those who do not agree with you of "having a reading problem" -- and then here on this thread when I post to Elder111 an affirmation of a point he has made - you claim I am spamming him -- presumably because i do not whine about his post as you have done.

Is Jer 31:31-33, Ex 31:13, Neh 9:14, Eze 20:12, Hosea 2:11, Joel 2:28-29, Mat 26:28, MK 14:24, LK 22:20; 24:44, Acts 10 and 15 in your Bible?

3. you make the vacuous charge that I keep posting to Elder 111 that his point about The Sabbath being in existence before sin - being a point so obvious, so apparent, that even the pro-sunday sources listed in my signature line agree with Elder 111 on that point. Please show the other posts where I have said that about Elder111's post.

Vicious? Really? More like you can't prove otherwise. Why is this? God didn't observe a periodic time period on the 7thd day of creation. If you read the account the 7th day never ended like the previous 6.

So you think my charge is without merit when you can't prove with evidence you position. hehehehehehawhe Or are you really saying that I lack intelligence and am insane and stupid? You could also be saying I'm making idle chit chat which would be very wrong. Why do you insist on insults and condemnation to make your points? Why don't you understand it doesn't work that way one me?

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

Of course you do. Facts are very illusive while assumptions and lies (out of context divorced quotes and references to such) are real facts. I the people you're trying to deceive.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Yes, Ruth converted and was part of the root of David and therefore Jesus. What a wonderful privilege. She became a seed of Abraham as did Rahab. The same is still true today. We who are in Christ become the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise. We concert to righteousness and righteous living by the Holy Spirit. The guidelines of which are expressed in the Ten commandments written in our Hearts.

Yes I inherit through Abraham and not through Jacob the deceiver renamed Israel. I'm not part of that covenant issued to Israel at Sinai and have never been inclined to join it. Essentially you're saying that God doesn't love me because I won't join you in follow the law (cough, cough amended law).

 

[from scratch]

Well, I've notice that you're the illusive one. God said clearly and the scriptures reenforces that sabbaths are between God and the children of Israel. The sabbath cannot be both a creation ordinance and an exclussive sign as God said it was. Gen 2:1-3 does not say anything about man given God's seventh day rest.
Psalms and Hebrews proves that those first invited did not enter God's rest from creation.
Go ahead and prove that working 6 days and resting on the 7th day was present before sin. What bible are you reading?

Reading the Bible? Impossible! Well maybe a funny one.

 

[from scratch]

The elephant in the room is: Everything that God requires from men are in His covenants.

Before Moses was given the tablets of stone (words of the covenant), God explained that the Sabbath was given to set His people apart from other nations. His chosen people were the Children of Israel.

The fact that sabbath was an exclussive covenant......Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

..and the New Testamant proving that Gentile nations were aliens, foreigners and strangers to all of God's covenants.
Eph 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


If sabbath was a covenant, how can you safely say, it was a creation ordinance?

PS. I trust the living word of God over commentary.

If the Sabbath was given to all mankind how can Eph 2:12 you quote be true? Just another truth inspired by God they won't accept.

 

[Cribstyl]

If the Sabbath was given to all mankind how can Eph 2:12 you quote be true? Just another truth inspired by God they won't accept.

No doubt. They set aside the word of God for the words of their prophetess.
The word of God says: God rested from all His works.
Their prophetess has more to say bout creation than Moses.

 

[Sophrosyne]

If the Sabbath was given to all mankind how can Eph 2:12 you quote be true? Just another truth inspired by God they won't accept.

The audience in the scripture wasn't intended to be "mankind" but Jews only. One can talk to any audience and say "man" or "mankind" and it doesn't automatically include those who are not present being spoken to. This fallacy is continued on to also include everyone around the synagogs keeping the Sabbath when in fact only Israel was doing so there.
The proof this "Sabbath made for man" didn't include non Jews is the fact Jesus himself didn't encourage his followers to seek out "mankind" and tell them to keep the Sabbath or even the 10 commandments. We really don't see an interest in "mankind" but only Jews till his death and then that task was thrust upon Paul who didn't equate the Sabbath as a necessity in any form or fashion. If the Sabbath were truly for non Jews then the Jews would have been up to the task to stone to death everyone around them Jew or non Jew, Israeli or non Israeli that broke the Sabbath. We never see God passing sentence on those nations around them regarding any connection to the Sabbath whatsoever..... none.

 

[Cribstyl]

The audience in the scripture wasn't intended to be "mankind" but Jews only. One can talk to any audience and say "man" or "mankind" and it doesn't automatically include those who are not present being spoken to. This fallacy is continued on to also include everyone around the synagogs keeping the Sabbath when in fact only Israel was doing so there.
The proof this "Sabbath made for man" didn't include non Jews is the fact Jesus himself didn't encourage his followers to seek out "mankind" and tell them to keep the Sabbath or even the 10 commandments. We really don't see an interest in "mankind" but only Jews till his death and then that task was thrust upon Paul who didn't equate the Sabbath as a necessity in any form or fashion. If the Sabbath were truly for non Jews then the Jews would have been up to the task to stone to death everyone around them Jew or non Jew, Israeli or non Israeli that broke the Sabbath. We never see God passing sentence on those nations around them regarding any connection to the Sabbath whatsoever..... none.

That seems logical. The very commandment they love to quote, shows that sabbath was for people within the boarders.