Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[Sophrosyne]

The Sabbath Day doesn 't exist for a man unless he "makes" it exist for him neither does God's Sabbath exist unless we accept it as so through Christ we have eternal rest.

 

[Elder 111]

You have quoted the scripture that it was made for man yourself, while the Genesis sabbath was not made for man at all but it was made for God. God is still resting why aren't you resting every day? Because you are stuck in a man made sabbath.

Genesis does not say that the Sabbath was made for God! You must stop that unwise action!
Is states the fact that God made the Sabbath and God Himself in the person of Jesus said it was made for man. Will you now deny Jesus and His word?

 

[Elder 111]

Great verse Elder 111, the first place Sabbaths was used, key first verse usage.

Couple of verses to consider;
First
Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Second
Psalms 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

As you can see that law and the word are related and near if not synonymous to each other. Key to knowing the word is that the word is about the word.

Using your own theology, when we deny the law of God we deny His word and therefore deny God. It would then be evil for us to deny His sanctified ordained blessed and hallowed Seventh day Sabbath!.
Agreed?

 

[Elder 111]

The Sabbath Day doesn 't exist for a man unless he "makes" it exist for him neither does God's Sabbath exist unless we accept it as so through Christ we have eternal rest.

So you do admit that the rejection of God Sabbath is rejection of eternal rest.
What fail to acknowledge is that Sabbath is the Seventh day Sabbath that God ordained from creation week and Gave Adam and Eve the father of all mankind. It is obvious that God was not in need of rest. neither has He been idol since creation. So the rest is not for God. Jesus made that very clear.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, Sabbath is not man made!

 

[mercy1061]

The Sabbath Day doesn 't exist for a man unless he "makes" it exist for him neither does God's Sabbath exist unless we accept it as so through Christ we have eternal rest.

How do you explain John 5:17?

 

[JacobLaw]

Using your own theology, when we deny the law of God we deny His word and therefore deny God. It would then be evil for us to deny His sanctified ordained blessed and hallowed Seventh day Sabbath!.
Agreed?

Yes; I nearly agree, evil might be a bit overly applied, but applying the law is the same matter it was established from Mount Sinai to the Resurrection would be a mistake. The law was changed and the word was made more perfect, being purified.
All the things you speak of are still being kept if you keep the one inspired word; however if you get entangled in the work of the law you are overlooking that your freedom is not in the ordinances but rather in the justification you have the substance and evidence (faith) that clarify our salvation.
Do I think a seventh day of doing some kind *(I'm not sure what you think we should be doing?) I personally just set it aside of not doing my normal work pattern. But I might add I see more people not working 6 days than not having a day of rest.

This is an interesting subject, I am find the discussion thought provoking.

 

[Elder 111]

Yes; I nearly agree, evil might be a bit overly applied, but applying the law is the same matter it was established from Mount Sinai to the Resurrection would be a mistake. The law was changed and the word was made more perfect, being purified.
All the things you speak of are still being kept if you keep the one inspired word; however if you get entangled in the work of the law you are overlooking that your freedom is not in the ordinances but rather in the justification you have the substance and evidence (faith) that clarify our salvation.
Do I think a seventh day of doing some kind *(I'm not sure what you think we should be doing?) I personally just set it aside of not doing my normal work pattern. But I might add I see more people not working 6 days than not having a day of rest.

This is an interesting subject, I am find the discussion thought provoking.

How has the law been changed? How can it be changed for that matter?
Consider this.
The law says, worship God only. How can the resurrection change that law?
Is it not that we are still to worship God alone?
The argument that the law has been abolished has been handed to us, but look at the Ten commandments again and tell us if we as christains really see them as abolished. List them and tell us the ones that we need not do.

 

[mercy1061]

Yes; I nearly agree, evil might be a bit overly applied, but applying the law is the same matter it was established from Mount Sinai to the Resurrection would be a mistake. The law was changed and the word was made more perfect, being purified.
All the things you speak of are still being kept if you keep the one inspired word; however if you get entangled in the work of the law you are overlooking that your freedom is not in the ordinances but rather in the justification you have the substance and evidence (faith) that clarify our salvation.
Do I think a seventh day of doing some kind *(I'm not sure what you think we should be doing?) I personally just set it aside of not doing my normal work pattern. But I might add I see more people not working 6 days than not having a day of rest.

This is an interesting subject, I am find the discussion thought provoking.

How can you claim to have rest or freedom if you refuse to rest?

 

[mercy1061]

The Sabbath Day doesn 't exist for a man unless he "makes" it exist for him neither does God's Sabbath exist unless we accept it as so through Christ we have eternal rest.

Remember the plagues in Egypt, the rest was not just for you but for the land animals servants, etc.

 

[VictorC]

Genesis does not say that the Sabbath was made for God! You must stop that unwise action!
Is states the fact that God made the Sabbath and God Himself in the person of Jesus said it was made for man. Will you now deny Jesus and His word?

The Genesis account doesn't record anything about the Sabbath. It records God's rest. The rest of your post denies the Biblical record, including the distinction Jesus made when He stated the Sabbath was 'made for man' and not God.

 

[VictorC]

How has the law been changed? How can it be changed for that matter?
Consider this.
The law says, worship God only. How can the resurrection change that law?
Is it not that we are still to worship God alone?
The argument that the law has been abolished has been handed to us, but look at the Ten commandments again and tell us if we as christains really see them as abolished. List them and tell us the ones that we need not do.

The covenant from Mount Sinai (the Ten Commandments) does not specify anything about worship, other than prohibiting other deities and idols. Plus, if one were to follow your argument, they wouldn't be able to reconcile it with the Biblical record showing that Job and Abraham worshiped the Living God.

 

[from scratch]

Genesis does not say that the Sabbath was made for God! You must stop that unwise action!
Is states the fact that God made the Sabbath and God Himself in the person of Jesus said it was made for man. Will you now deny Jesus and His word?

No it doesn't.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Genesis does not say that the Sabbath was made for God! You must stop that unwise action!
Is states the fact that God made the Sabbath and God Himself in the person of Jesus said it was made for man. Will you now deny Jesus and His word?

It says God rested... it didn't say man rested so the rest was God's rest, he made it and he rested and we don't see adam resting after his first 6 days of work and never working again.

 

[from scratch]

So you do admit that the rejection of God Sabbath is rejection of eternal rest.
What fail to acknowledge is that Sabbath is the Seventh day Sabbath that God ordained from creation week and Gave Adam and Eve the father of all mankind. It is obvious that God was not in need of rest. neither has He been idol since creation. So the rest is not for God. Jesus made that very clear.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, Sabbath is not man made!

Jus more spam.

 

[Sophrosyne]

So you do admit that the rejection of God Sabbath is rejection of eternal rest.
What fail to acknowledge is that Sabbath is the Seventh day Sabbath that God ordained from creation week and Gave Adam and Eve the father of all mankind. It is obvious that God was not in need of rest. neither has He been idol since creation. So the rest is not for God. Jesus made that very clear.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, Sabbath is not man made!

Nope... you still got it wrong wrong wrong, God has his own sabbath and it isn't a cycle thing God didn't pick up work again after 6 days. Man makes his own Sabbath but it is a day not an eternal rest and he does make it because we see him preparing for it and if he doesn't "do" or "make" it then the Sabbath Day doesn't happen for him. We have billions of people that don't "make" Saturday their Sabbath Day thus they are NOT making the Sabbath at all.

 

[Sophrosyne]

How do you explain John 5:17?

How do you explain the Father working till now? I don't see this relates to the Father's (God's) Sabbath because if it does you are proving God doesn't keep the Sabbath Day by that scripture as it doesn't equate working 6 days on 1 day off but working ALL THE TIME till now.

 

[from scratch]

How has the law been changed? How can it be changed for that matter?
Consider this.
The law says, worship God only. How can the resurrection change that law?
Is it not that we are still to worship God alone?
The argument that the law has been abolished has been handed to us, but look at the Ten commandments again and tell us if we as christains really see them as abolished. List them and tell us the ones that we need not do.

The first real evidence we see is the promise of a new and different covenant. Then we see that this new and different covenant is in effect by the words of Jesus.

 

[from scratch]

How can you claim to have rest or freedom if you refuse to rest?

You're speaking of the physical only. This isn't the rest of God spoken about. Jesus offered it in demonstration its not the Sabbath.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Remember the plagues in Egypt, the rest was not just for you but for the land animals servants, etc.

If one doesn't work their animals hard they don't need a day off and the rest for the land isn't a Sabbath Day at all, but Sabbath Year etc which brings up the point of did God keep Sabbath years too? This in itself shows that God's sabbath isn't the same.

 

[from scratch]

Remember the plagues in Egypt, the rest was not just for you but for the land animals servants, etc.

So why do you make them work for you which is against the law and specifically the 4th?