Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[from scratch]

Alright well...in that case I don't think we have too much to talk about.
I don't really feel like trying to explain the fact that the "Laws of God are not the Covenants of God"---so I pray you're right

When we say "the law" we're specifically talking about the covenant issued to Israel at Sinai.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I wish I could take the time and explain in depth verse 11-15, but I don’t have the time…
I’ll try a condensed version.

The Gentiles in verse 13 is obviously referring to Gentile believers who have come to faith in Jesus.
In verse 13 Paul describes the Gentile believers who did not grow up with the Torah (as their Jewish counterparts)—therefore –when Gentile believers who do not have the Torah naturally, do the things of the Torah—these not having the Torah are a Torah to themselves…

Even though they did not grow up with the Torah as part of their culture and upbringing, they still prove they have the Torah by their upbringing. This is because they have the Torah written on their hearts and Torah governs the way they live.

Their conscience bears witness to the truth. When the Torah is written on the heart, the renewed conscience is governed by the indwelling Spirit Who confirms or convicts in accordance with the Torah.

After All John tells us that the Holy Spirit will lead us in ALL Truth! (not just “some truth or NT truth”)

Nonsense, a gentile wouldn't have the torah written on their hearts by upbringing what utter nonsense. Paul was equating that people keep most of the commandments because they try and be good it has nothing to do with actually keeping the 10 commandments more akin to keeping just two of them that John and Jesus both equate these cover 9 commandments and the 10th is just plain absent and not a moral commandment anyway so it is not relevant to Christians it is a ceremonial commandment for Israel only.

 

[BobRyan]

There is the premise here that the "seventh day" is not the Sabbath.

Until you read Exodus 20:11 and Gen 2:3.

 

[BobRyan]

But the new covenant still contains the law! Where do you see the law removed from the new covenant? :

Jer 31:31-33 says the Law is written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant, and of course Paul admits that this Bible fact is "unchanged" when he quotes it in Hebrews 8.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The law of the new covenant is Love or 'agape'.

Indeed Lev 19:18 reminds us to Love our Neighbor as ourselves and Deut 6:5 to love God with all the heart and soul.

And of course 1John 5:1-4 tells us that we do not actually Love God if we do not keep His commandments.

 

[from scratch]

Indeed Lev 19:18 reminds us to Love our Neighbor as ourselves and Deut 6:5 to love God with all the heart and soul.

And of course 1John 5:1-4 tells us that we do not actually Love God if we do not keep His commandments.

Ah back for another round?

And what does John say in 1 Jn 3:23? What does he say in JN 15:10? What does he say in Rev 14:12? (Hint - none of them say keep the law.)

 

[Elder 111]

It is very interesting that almost everyone has agreed that the Seventh day of Genesis 2 is the Sabbath as described in Ex 20 . Some persons obviously disagrees, but the bible confirms that it is anyway.
That leaves a very notable fact. That is that the Seventh day Sabbath was instituted even before sin. The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified before Adam and Eve sinned.
That places it as an eternal requirement as confirmed by Isaiah 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
One thing for sure is that the Sabbath was not dependent on any temporal condition.
Some of course will argue that there was not a written command to keep the Sabbath before Sinai but does that negate it's Holy eternal character and requirement for all mankind? Mark 2:27

Is there a written command not to murder before Sinai? Can we therefore argue that it was OK to do so before Sinai?
Was there a written command to serve God only before Sinai? Was it therefore OK to not worship God before Sinai?
Same questions for Adultery and stealing.
Was there a written command against homosexuality before that given to the Jews?
Was it therefore OK previously? If so was God just in destroying Sodom and Gomorrah?

What we should understand then is that the writing of the law was not the beginning of the law but a means of keeping it constantly before the people. Duet. 6:7-8 & Rom 5:20.

 

[JacobLaw]

There is the premise here that the "seventh day" is not the Sabbath.
That it is the continuous rest of God.
Do you accept that from scripture?

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

God's word is the Sabbath.

 

[Sophrosyne]

It is very interesting that almost everyone has agreed that the Seventh day of Genesis 2 is the Sabbath as described in Ex 20 . Some persons obviously disagrees, but the bible confirms that it is anyway.

If you look carefully at those who disagree with you in the thread you will see none of us has voted in this poll. I tired of these loaded polls especially those who show who voted for what and the choices aren't what I would vote for anyway. I am one that says God isn't working 6 days his rest has been a lot longer than a day which is something that you totally ignore over and over like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming nanananannana when someone tells you that they are not the same.

 

[JacobLaw]

If you look carefully at those who disagree with you in the thread you will see none of us has voted in this poll. I tired of these loaded polls especially those who show who voted for what and the choices aren't what I would vote for anyway. I am one that says God isn't working 6 days his rest has been a lot longer than a day which is something that you totally ignore over and over like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming nanananannana when someone tells you that they are not the same.

We should be in his rest now.

 

[Elder 111]

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

God's word is the Sabbath.

How do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?

 

[Elder 111]

If you look carefully at those who disagree with you in the thread you will see none of us has voted in this poll. I tired of these loaded polls especially those who show who voted for what and the choices aren't what I would vote for anyway. I am one that says God isn't working 6 days his rest has been a lot longer than a day which is something that you totally ignore over and over like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming nanananannana when someone tells you that they are not the same.

In the context of which you speak one would say that God does not rest.
John 5:7 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Jesus speaking about the Sabbath.
Ps. 121: Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
The rest was not for God. Mark 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[Elder 111]

We should be in his rest now.

I agree we should be keeping the seventh day Sabbath every week. All Christians.

 

[JacobLaw]

How do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?

Good questions.
The law is a schoolmaster

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[Sophrosyne]

How do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?

I don't.. they are two different types of sabbaths entirely as God didn't start working again so his sabbath is eternal while Israel's Sabbath is just a day and in itself testifies nothing of God creating but rather man working (creating) in other words you are trying to elevate an inferior sabbath of man to that of God one of 6 days work 1 day off to that of 6 days work forever off. If you are truly keeping the Genesis sabbath you would never go back to work after working 6 days..... NEVER

 

[from scratch]

How do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?

Are you trying to dodge the question? You POV is the Sabbath is given to all mankind. You've no passage to back up your idea. Now it seems you also wish to deny Ex 31:13 about it being given strictly to Israel for a specific purpose. I get the idea you don't like Moses either.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by JacobLaw

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

God's word is the Sabbath.
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Good questions.
The law is a schoolmaster

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Your point was that the Sabbath was God's word. Now you are saying law. Which is it?

 

[Elder 111]

I don't.. they are two different types of sabbaths entirely as God didn't start working again so his sabbath is eternal while Israel's Sabbath is just a day and in itself testifies nothing of God creating but rather man working (creating) in other words you are trying to elevate an inferior sabbath of man to that of God one of 6 days work 1 day off to that of 6 days work forever off. If you are truly keeping the Genesis sabbath you would never go back to work after working 6 days..... NEVER

Where in Scripture is the Sabbath ever implied to be man's making? So God did not create blessed and Sanctify the Sabbath?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Where in Scripture is the Sabbath ever implied to be man's making? So God did not create blessed and Sanctify the Sabbath?

You have quoted the scripture that it was made for man yourself, while the Genesis sabbath was not made for man at all but it was made for God. God is still resting why aren't you resting every day? Because you are stuck in a man made sabbath.

 

[JacobLaw]

Originally Posted by JacobLaw

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

God's word is the Sabbath.
​

Your point was that the Sabbath was God's word. Now you are saying law. Which is it?

Great verse Elder 111, the first place Sabbaths was used, key first verse usage.

Couple of verses to consider;
First
Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Second
Psalms 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

As you can see that law and the word are related and near if not synonymous to each other. Key to knowing the word is that the word is about the word.