Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[Sophrosyne]

Every day we have BOTH; day and night. Do you agree?

If one is NEVER a believer then they can be seen as NIGHT, if one IS a believer then they can be seen as Day.

 

[robinvanpersie]

If one is NEVER a believer then they can be seen as NIGHT, if one IS a believer then they can be seen as Day.

What is the difference between someone who believes before the cross and someone who believes after the cross?

 

[mercy1061]

The argument you're attempting to introduce is divorced, cut off, disassociated, disconnected, and separate from the passage you're contending with.

One has to be married before they can get divorced or seperated. Do you agree?

 

[mercy1061]

If one is NEVER a believer then they can be seen as NIGHT, if one IS a believer then they can be seen as Day.

We have both day and night each day. Do you agree?


Gen 8
22 “As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”

 

[mercy1061]

Not if one of them is dead as Rom 7 states.

If the husband dies, it is good for the widow not to remarry as Pharisee Shaul says. "Until death we do part".

1 Cor
8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

 

[mercy1061]

So you must be saying night and day are the same thing.

How so? Do we have both day and night? If I say I have both my right hand and my left hand, am I saying my two hands are the same?

 

[VictorC]

One has to be married before they can get divorced or seperated. Do you agree?

Your latest two posts have been wholly divorced, cut off, disassociated, disconnected, and separate from the topic. If you're familiar with the way 'divorced' is used here, you already know that there is no marriage and no one implied in an disassociated relationship that doesn't exist.

You have a choice of contributing something relevant, or you can be ignored.

 

[from scratch]

If the husband dies, it is good for the widow not to remarry as Pharisee Shaul says. "Until death we do part".

1 Cor
8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

That's not what we're talking about. Its called off topic.

 

[from scratch]

How so? Do we have both day and night? If I say I have both my right hand and my left hand, am I saying my two hands are the same?

Do you have anything related to the topic to offer?

 

[Sophrosyne]

What is the difference between someone who believes before the cross and someone who believes after the cross?

The cross is the difference, things changed because of the cross. One can read Paul's writings about Resurrection of the Dead and notice how big of a deal he makes it such that if Jesus had not been raised from the dead we are still dead in our sins. One would have to throw out this revelation Paul taught if you make the cross a non issue and not a time stamp of new things.
In other words if the cross had not happened before Paul a lot of what he taught would never have been said by him at all.

 

[from scratch]

The cross is the difference, things changed because of the cross. One can read Paul's writings about Resurrection of the Dead and notice how big of a deal he makes it such that if Jesus had not been raised from the dead we are still dead in our sins. One would have to throw out this revelation Paul taught if you make the cross a non issue and not a time stamp of new things.
In other words if the cross had not happened before Paul a lot of what he taught would never have been said by him at all.

Hey would you take away those sleeping pills from that snail?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Hey would you take away those sleeping pills from that snail?

wouldn't wanna spoil the fun around here would I?

 

[Honest Al]

"That's not what we're talking about. Its called off topic." (Scratch)

"Do you have anything related to the topic to offer?" (Scratch)



Original topic: "Is the seventh day the Sabbath."

I'm surprised this next passage hasn't been shared (unless I missed it). It certainly is the foundation passage of this subject, and therefore deserves to be considered here:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." {Genesis 2:1-3 NIV}

It seems odd to me that people say that the Sabbath is a Jewish thing and an old covenant thing, yet God "blessed the seventh day and made it holy" 2000 years before there was ever a Jew, and more than 2000 years before the old covenant was given.

P.S.--What do you think it should say to us that pretty much the very first thing God did after creating the world was to "bless the seventh day and make it holy."

P.S.S.-- Ultimately, who decides what's important: God or us?

P.S.S.S.--Do you think it tells us anything as to how important the Sabbath is to God that He (not Moses) made it one of the Ten Commandments?

 

[Sophrosyne]

I think ir rather ironic that in the poll most people chose the verse in Exodus to prove the Sabbath and now we have arguments saying that Genesis is the proof more than exodus while those who argue regarding Exodus against the Sabbath Day in Genesis are told they are wrong.

 

[from scratch]

"That's not what we're talking about. Its called off topic." (Scratch)

"Do you have anything related to the topic to offer?" (Scratch)



Original topic: "Is the seventh day the Sabbath."

I'm surprised this next passage hasn't been shared (unless I missed it). It certainly is the foundation passage of this subject, and therefore deserves to be considered here:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." {Genesis 2:1-3 NIV}

It seems odd to me that people say that the Sabbath is a Jewish thing and an old covenant thing, yet God "blessed the seventh day and made it holy" 2000 years before there was ever a Jew, and more than 2000 years before the old covenant was given.

P.S.--What do you think it should say to us that pretty much the very first thing God did after creating the world was to "bless the seventh day and make it holy."

P.S.S.-- Ultimately, who decides what's important: God or us?

P.S.S.S.--Do you think it tells us anything as to how important the Sabbath is to God that He (not Moses) made it one of the Ten Commandments?

Not surprises that you'd bring it to the fore.

The 7th day of creation isn't the Sabbath. That particular day has no end. There is no record of mankind participating in it. There isn't any record of the Sabbath until after leaving Egypt. The Bible says it was given specifically to Israel alone. In short you're playing left field in an empty stadium.

 

[robinvanpersie]

The cross is the difference, things changed because of the cross. One can read Paul's writings about Resurrection of the Dead and notice how big of a deal he makes it such that if Jesus had not been raised from the dead we are still dead in our sins. One would have to throw out this revelation Paul taught if you make the cross a non issue and not a time stamp of new things.
In other words if the cross had not happened before Paul a lot of what he taught would never have been said by him at all.

The only difference between believers before the cross and believers after the cross is that the former are looking forward to the cross and the latter are looking back at the cross. Both are saved by the cross and both are added to the family of God. A family of God with no timestamp.

Of course the cross HAD to happen chronologically, (at some point) to fulfill the prophecies and solidify Jesus as the Messiah, but the fact remains that Jesus was/is the way, truth and the life to everyone who believes; whether they were looking forward like Abraham, or looking back like you and me.

 

[Honest Al]

#1--Not surprises that you'd bring it to the fore. #2--The 7th day of creation isn't the Sabbath. #3--The Bible says it was given specifically to Israel alone.

#1--Why wouldn't I bring it up considering it's what the original question concerned.

#2--"The LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and everything in them in six days; then He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and declared it holy." {Exodus 20:11 HCSB}

#3--God gave the Sabbath to Israel because they were His people. But it was never for them alone:

"I will also bless the Gentiles who commit themselves to the LORD and serve him and love his name, who worship him and do not desecrate the Sabbath Day." {Isaiah 56:6 NLT}

"He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man." {Mark 2:27 KJV}
"He said to them, "Shabbat was made for mankind." {Mark 2:27 CJB}
"He said to them, "The Sabbath was made to benefit people." {Mark 2:27 NLT}
"Jesus said the the Pharisees, "The Sabbath day was made to help people." {Mark 2:27 NCV}

Which of those translations, or any other translation, gives the idea that the Sabbath was "made" only for the Jews?
And, if the Sabbath was made to "benefit people," and to "help people," which is what Jesus says, why would God do away with it.

Take care (and I think it's time for me to move on to a different subject)

 

[robinvanpersie]

Not surprises that you'd bring it to the fore.

The 7th day of creation isn't the Sabbath. That particular day has no end. There is no record of mankind participating in it. There isn't any record of the Sabbath until after leaving Egypt. The Bible says it was given specifically to Israel alone. In short you're playing left field in an empty stadium.

I'd be led to believe you instantly...if it were not for the clear implications of both Genesis and more importantly Exodus 20:11.

In Genesis we see that God SET APART the 7th day--because He "shabbated" on the very first 7th day ever!

Exodus 20:11 expounds on that further by clearly linking the Sabbath day commandment back to creation.
“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

It doesn't really matter whether or not you believe the above...what is clear is that God clearly set apart the very first 7th day, rested on it ---[how epic is that for the CREATOR to "remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy, resting from His work"] and reminded us of this amazing moment in Exodus 20:11.

God set apart the 7th day from the beginning!

Ever wonder how 6,000+ years later we still have a 7 day week?

 

[robinvanpersie]

Not surprises that you'd bring it to the fore.

The 7th day of creation isn't the Sabbath. That particular day has no end. There is no record of mankind participating in it. There isn't any record of the Sabbath until after leaving Egypt. The Bible says it was given specifically to Israel alone. In short you're playing left field in an empty stadium.

I'd be led to believe you instantly...if it were not for the clear implications of both Genesis and more importantly Exodus 20:11.

In Genesis we see that God SET APART the 7th day--because He "shabbated" on the very first 7th day ever!

Exodus 20:11 expounds on that further by clearly linking the Sabbath day commandment back to creation.
“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

It doesn't really matter whether or not you believe the above...what is clear is that God clearly set apart the very first 7th day, rested on it ---[how epic is that for the CREATOR to "remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy, resting from His work"] and reminded us of this amazing moment in Exodus 20:11.

God set apart the 7th day from the beginning!

Ever wonder how 6,000+ years later we still have a 7 day week?

And it gets even more fool-proof when you do a little bit of research on the word שָׁבַת shabath used in Genesis 2:2 and 3 for God "resting" on the seventh day....

By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested (שָׁבַת shabath) on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

is the EXACT same word/context used in Exodus 16:30
So the people rested (שָׁבַת shabath) on the seventh day.

And as if you needed any more proof...Exodus 31:17
“It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased (שָׁבַת shabath) from labor, and was refreshed.”

Pretty rock-solid.

 

[Cribstyl]

I'd be led to believe you instantly...if it were not for the clear implications of both Genesis and more importantly Exodus 20:11.

In Genesis we see that God SET APART the 7th day--because He "shabbated" on the very first 7th day ever!

Exodus 20:11 expounds on that further by clearly linking the Sabbath day commandment back to creation.
“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

It doesn't really matter whether or not you believe the above...what is clear is that God clearly set apart the very first 7th day, rested on it ---[how epic is that for the CREATOR to "remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy, resting from His work"] and reminded us of this amazing moment in Exodus 20:11.

God set apart the 7th day from the beginning!

Ever wonder how 6,000+ years later we still have a 7 day week?

Let you tell it, Sabbath was made for God.