Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[mercy1061]

non sequitor to what I posted and unrelated to the 10 commandments

Are you anti-10 commandments?

 

[from scratch]

What is it called when ypu break the law?

Break what law? First I have to be subject to it in order to violate (break) it.

 

[mercy1061]

The grace and truth came by Jesus Christ if you care to.

I am so glad that Yeshua always tell the truth, he said he did not come to change or abolish the law. The law requires you to tell the truth while taking an oath.

 

[mercy1061]

Break what law? First I have to be subject to it in order to violate (break) it.

Where do you live? Is it against the law to steal in your jurisdiction?

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
According to some one would or should believe that there was Grace then God gave law to replace Grace and then Jesus came to bring back Grace. This is based on the idea that Grace and law does not and can not exist together.
What is your take?
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You don't care about my take, because you already rejected it when I already gave it to you many posts back.

I did not reject it. Scripture rejects it.

 

[Elder 111]

The concept of unclean meat only exists for Jews under the Law, it doesn't exist for Christians according to the Council of Jerusalem the only meat we have to concern ourselves with is bloody meat.

Again that is not biblical. Acts 15:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Here we see that the Gentles are not to consume blood as was required by the Jews. In Acts 10 we also see that Peter is still abstaining from unclean meats and in Genesis we see that they were clean and unclean animals long before there were Jews. Gen. 7: And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
The other came in twos. Obviously the clean being more would have been eaten still leaving enough to reproduce but the unclean in twos would not be eaten or that would have been the end of them.
Your position is being revealed to be more and more incompatible with scripture.

 

[Elder 111]

The grace and truth came by Jesus Christ if you care to.

Only in Jesus was truth brought?

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Breaking news everyone!
Jesus who is the creator, who says that He and his Father are one. Gave His commandments that are not the same as His Father's Holy Ten commandments.
I come to do the will of "My Father will" but I don't want My Father's law. Interesting isn't it?
Sound right to you?
Oh what positions we take to defend the untenable idea that the Ten commandments are not for Christians.
The same Christian that says that God is His only God.
That says he should not steal.
That says he should not commit adultery.
That says he should not covet.
That says he should not take the name of the Lord in vain.
That says he should bow to images in worship or make them.
That says he should not lie.
Wait a minute!!!
That is the Ten commandments!!!!!
Please note he does the things of the Ten commandments but they are not applicable to him. Oh yes, he does then but he does not keep them.
Oh what a tangle web we weave!
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Its OK for the angry to mock. Sure wish you'd read the Bible and believe it.

I do believe. I absolutely believe in the truth and in God's holy word which rejects any idea of the cancellation of His holy law.
How can any right thinking person expect that Jesus Would nullify the very commandments that He is part of, by virtue of being of the same "mine" of the Father? After He said that He did not come to change it!
The most blatant object that is even found in the very first command: Serve God only. Tell us how do get that as the will of God to have it removed? Tell us.

 

[Elder 111]

Me thinketh thou needest a different Bible.

This is the ides that is coming through. Rather than accept the principles of righteous living to be the will of God for Christians, we would change the bible and it's message first.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Are you anti-10 commandments?

Nope.... just not pro-10 commandments, to me they are just a part of history like Roman laws are.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
According to some one would or should believe that there was Grace then God gave law to replace Grace and then Jesus came to bring back Grace. This is based on the idea that Grace and law does not and can not exist together.
What is your take?
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I did not reject it. Scripture rejects it.

Genesis 6:8

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.


I see no "grace" in this verse... just another bad KJV mistranslation IMO. As scratch pointed out your group depends on an outdated error ridden translation to get doctrine from.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Again that is not biblical. Acts 15:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Here we see that the Gentles are not to consume blood as was required by the Jews. In Acts 10 we also see that Peter is still abstaining from unclean meats and in Genesis we see that they were clean and unclean animals long before there were Jews. Gen. 7: And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
The other came in twos. Obviously the clean being more would have been eaten still leaving enough to reproduce but the unclean in twos would not be eaten or that would have been the end of them.
Your position is being revealed to be more and more incompatible with scripture.

This isn't in the new testament and obviously Noah was told to eat whatever he pleased show me Jesus or an apostles words that we have to abide by dietary laws... ooops... you can't because scripture supporting your position by those individuals DOESN'T EXIST.

 

[Sophrosyne]

So far we have seen the same old recycled error ridden arguments here repeated over and over based entirely upon old testament writings that have no direct bearing upon Christians... especially gentile ones.
We have also seen the argument that 9 = 10 here... folks that are proving themselves pretty lousy at math IMO. I'd like to see a new argument instead of these worn out ones that you can google and get 50,000 hits or more of answers to without breaking a sweat.

 

[tzadik]

Nope.... just not pro-10 commandments, to me they are just a part of history like Roman laws are.

If a new-born Christian comes up to you and asks you whether or not it's ok for Christians to have sexual relations with their siblings, what would you say to them?

 

[tzadik]

So far we have seen the same old recycled error ridden arguments here repeated over and over based entirely upon old testament writings that have no direct bearing upon Christians... especially gentile ones.

Hi I'm ........,

I don't believe that All Scripture, including the “OT” (at the time of writing THE ONLY Scripture around) is good for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness for Christians.

I don’t believe that the Christian man should live by EVERY Word of God (including the “OT&#8221.

I don’t believe Jesus’ clear words that heaven and earth must first pass away before even the smallest stroke of the Law of God passes away.

I don’t believe that sin is the transgression of the Law, and believe that sin can be defined outside of God’s will and Word.

I don’t believe that the Holy Spirit leads the Christian in ALL TRUTH, and not just on partial truth of the “NT”.

I don’t believe that the Law of God is Truth, Spiritual, Righteous, Holy or Good for the Christian.

I don’t believe that Christians should obey the Law of God.

I don’t believe that all of the commandments of God were given so Christians could correctly love God and love their neighbors.

I don’t believe that Christians should meditate on the Law of God day and night.

I believe that Christians are allowed to do anything that isn’t explicitly repeated in the “NT”.

I don’t believe that the Law of God, being the very Words of God, should have any value or place in my life as a Christian.

I don’t believe Paul, when he tells us that by no means do we make void the Law of God by our coming to faith, but rather we establish it.

I don’t believe that those who have been justified are doers of the Law.

I believe that it's ok for me to profane the Holy Sabbath day of God.


Why would I take you seriously?

 

[tzadik]

This isn't in the new testament and obviously Noah was told to eat whatever he pleased show me Jesus or an apostles words that we have to abide by dietary laws... ooops... you can't because scripture supporting your position by those individuals DOESN'T EXIST.

It's funny that you are using a man-made separation in your Bible as an argument.

When Marcion decided to set the "OT God vs the NT Jesus" he definitely had an agenda.

Careful treading...

 

[from scratch]

I am so glad that Yeshua always tell the truth, he said he did not come to change or abolish the law. The law requires you to tell the truth while taking an oath.

And that's exactly what Jesus did. Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law. You nor anyone else can meet the requirements of the law. (Rom 3:23, 11:32) That's the beautiful thing about grace. I feel very sorry for those whose salvation depends on their performance. The Bible says it will be rewarded with death and Jesus will say to tem depart from Me I don't know you.

 

[from scratch]

Where do you live? Is it against the law to steal in your jurisdiction?

Why are you trying to accuse me?

 

[tzadik]

And that's exactly what Jesus did. Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law. You nor anyone else can meet the requirements of the law. (Rom 3:23, 11:32) That's the beautiful thing about grace. I feel very sorry for those whose salvation depends on their performance. The Bible says it will be rewarded with death and Jesus will say to tem depart from Me I don't know you.

Grace = no obedience is actually bologna---atleast that’s what Yeshua taught.

15. "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16. "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17. "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20. "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21. "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22. "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23. "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice Lawlessness.'
24. "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25. "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26. "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27. "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell--and great was its fall."
28. When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching;

Work out your salvation with fear and trembling scratch!

Don't stand on the 'grace' sideline. DO God's will!

 

[from scratch]

I asked you a question, I was hoping for a different answer from you. The pharoahs built houses made of bricks which were also graves, where they hid their treasure. Have you heard of grave robbers?

I don't live in a grave. I can take no worldly goods with me when I die. So I don't care about grave robbers. We're talking about my current spiritual house built of very durable goods on a rock solid foundation.