Is transgender a lie?

[mmksparbud]

There is such a absolute lack of knowledge shown here--not to mention a complete lack of common sense. Nobody has yet to answer my questions and I guess no one will---for the simple reason that it proves all this nonsense is just that. The whole idea that a human can not be born with the wrong genitals, is a total and complete lack of actual information. And just because some guy with several degrees after his name says it isn't real, doesn't make it so! For years--years--doctors have refused to believe that there was such a thing as fibromyalgia--no prove of it, no specific test for it, it was a product of people with mental problems--the majority of the medical community agreed. Until research finally blew that theory out of the water--and still, there'll be some old coot who doesn't get it and therefore won't believe in it. It has been proven real, the brain scans they have done show the problem areas in the brain that are not functioning right--like when we sleep--our brains do not sleep like normal peoples brains, ours don't shut down, so we never fully rest, one reason why we are always tired--not because we're lazy.
It can take the medical community years to accept facts---like the fact that there were these strange invisible things that spread disease and that if you washed your hands you would cut the spread of disease---the dr that came up with that dumb idea was laughed out of the medical field.

 

[loveofourlord]

So no answer to the question of:

What sex is someone that is born looking female, but at puberty becomes male? Were they always male, or female one day male the next? And if someone can look female but be male that way, then how hard is to to believe that a something could cause someone to mentally develope as a female, while bey physically male, or vice versa?

 

[GenetoJean]

Anything that requires mutilation is not a cure. It's a disservice to those who think they transgendered to have the only cure be to alter their natural being.

It is the only treatment that works in the vast majority of cases. It is the only treatment that has worked for me. That is all that matters to me.

 

[Marius27]

From a scientific standpoint, there is no evidence that 'transgender' exists.

Psychology expert Dr. Joseph Berger states that when a person is asked to clarify with absolute certainty whether they are a male or female, the response is always "it's a feeling".
And this response is not scientifically conclusive to anything except that the person is just unhappy or unsatisfied.

The leading thing going for transgenders is a complete emotional appeal in which covers the reality that, as far as science is concerned, is just a person merely wanting to be another gender.

The whole thing altogether has caused a questionable field of work in the medical field. We are giving sex reassignment therapy to these people, and cosmetically changing them.
This in turn causes many of them to have higher morbidity and mortality then others, and in which case, the entirety of 'transgenderism' is in itself harmful and shouldn't be supported.

It is extremely irresponsible of psychiatrists to have gone this route with the alleged transgender community with no scientific facts and appealing to what people want rather then what is medically appropriate.

LifeSiteNews Mobile | Psychiatry expert: ‘scientifically there is no such thing as transgender’

Let's get something straight. Your link is from a right wing Christian nutcase blog. And Joseph Berger is a discredited psychiatrist and a member of NARTH, one of the most rabidly anti-gay hate groups in the world. They are notorious for pushing false information to demonize gay people.

Nobody is going to listen to a word you say when you don't even know where you're getting your false information.

 

[Marius27]

There is no evidence

An expert psychiatrist comes right and says it. A rather decorated one, at that. Is he lying? Here it is again:

LifeSiteNews Mobile | Psychiatry expert: ‘scientifically there is no such thing as transgender’

He's not an expert Sky, he's a member of an anti-gay hate group who has been discredited. He's not an expert in his field.

Why do you people believe such lies just to support your hatred of LGBT people? I thought honestly was virtue.

 

[FireDragon76]

He's not an expert Sky, he's a member of an anti-gay hate group who has been discredited. He's not an expert in his field.

Why do you people believe such lies just to support your hatred of LGBT people? I thought honestly was virtue.

That website has pictures of garishly dressed drag queens at pride parades as examples of "transgender" people. Yes, there's nothing honest about it, it's manipulation that preys on ignorance.

 

[abacabb3]

What makes you think that Gender Reassignment Surgery doesn't save lives? Gender Dysphoria can often lead to suicide if untreated.

A lot of things can make people depressed and lead to suicide. That's why lobotomies were invented. It is the wrong treatment for the problem.

 

[Marius27]

A lot of things can make people depressed and lead to suicide. That's why lobotomies were invented. It is the wrong treatment for the problem.

You'll excuse us for not listening to your "medical expertise" on the matter.

 

[Armoured]

A lot of things can make people depressed and lead to suicide. That's why lobotomies were invented. It is the wrong treatment for the problem.

But at the point when it was considered the best available treatment, it was better than anything else available. Like GRT today. Yes, it MAY turn out in the long run not to be the best treatment to the problem. Sure. But until that time, much as you may think reality is wrong on this one about it, it's still better than any alternatives that have been tried thus far.

So when a non GRT therapy is clinically demonstrated to provide better clinical outcome for people with gender dysphoria, hey, great, lets use that. But you can't seriously be suggesting that doing nothing is preferable to a treatment you for some reason feel distasteful, because you hope that in the future a different treatment may become available.

 

[abacabb3]

Your assessment is incorrect, as Reeniee notes.

I know I am not incorrect, knowing the difference between men and women is very easy, I don't have to pretend that there is something I may be missing.

Yes, you must be right because in your opinion, anything that doesn't match your opinion is intellectually bankrupt and indefensible. That is such a strong case!

This is in reference to post-modernism and the idea there are no objective truths, which brings us to extreme viewpoints such as not knowing the difference between men and women. It throws all ideas into doubt in which then you have no grounds to even say I am wrong. If anyone can be any gender they want as opposed to how they are physically born and what their DNA says, how do we know anything is true? If I leave DNA at a crime scene, but in my mind I think my DNA being there doesn't mean anything, does what is in my mind acts as an equivalent rebuttal to the DNA evidence? It's simply nonsense.

 

[abacabb3]

In recent studies in the last decade, it has been shown that transgender individuals often have brain anomalies that do not match their biological, assigned sex, some studies have suggested the brain anomalies are neither male nor female, so this may the be the source of their gender dysphoria. So there is some objective evidence for the phenomenon.

Granted, and they have found the same between professing hetero and homosexuals. I have heard it suggested that behavior can affect how the brain is oriented and even with the "size" of certain sections, as this has been proven with mice. Again, the thrust of my argument is that we work with rules which cover the vast majority of humanity and treat all others as exceptions.

 

[abacabb3]

So cutting of the penis, or testicals when it has cancer, or something else that is life threatening is mutilation not preventative or such procedure? Nice to know.

I think you are being insensitive to people with cancer who have no choice but to undergo such a procedure or die. The transvestite issue is not equivalent to this.

 

[abacabb3]

There is such a absolute lack of knowledge shown here--not to mention a complete lack of common sense. Nobody has yet to answer my questions and I guess no one will---for the simple reason that it proves all this nonsense is just that. The whole idea that a human can not be born with the wrong genitals, is a total and complete lack of actual information. And just because some guy with several degrees after his name says it isn't real, doesn't make it so! For years--years--doctors have refused to believe that there was such a thing as fibromyalgia--no prove of it, no specific test for it, it was a product of people with mental problems--the majority of the medical community agreed. Until research finally blew that theory out of the water--and still, there'll be some old coot who doesn't get it and therefore won't believe in it. It has been proven real, the brain scans they have done show the problem areas in the brain that are not functioning right--like when we sleep--our brains do not sleep like normal peoples brains, ours don't shut down, so we never fully rest, one reason why we are always tired--not because we're lazy.
It can take the medical community years to accept facts---like the fact that there were these strange invisible things that spread disease and that if you washed your hands you would cut the spread of disease---the dr that came up with that dumb idea was laughed out of the medical field.

WHo's the genius that's going to argue that a rat is really a puppy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46nDIl8nCGU

 

[loveofourlord]

I know I am not incorrect, knowing the difference between men and women is very easy, I don't have to pretend that there is something I may be missing.


This is in reference to post-modernism and the idea there are no objective truths, which brings us to extreme viewpoints such as not knowing the difference between men and women. It throws all ideas into doubt in which then you have no grounds to even say I am wrong. If anyone can be any gender they want as opposed to how they are physically born and what their DNA says, how do we know anything is true? If I leave DNA at a crime scene, but in my mind I think my DNA being there doesn't mean anything, does what is in my mind acts as an equivalent rebuttal to the DNA evidence? It's simply nonsense.

The issue is your trying to put binary labels on things that arn't binary, life andreality unfortunetly for you arn't always black and white as much as people try to make them.

It's been stated that sex is determined by your reproductive ability or your organs, or your external and such except thats not always the case. Now answer the question.

For males that are born female, and become male at puberty are they male or female? And untill they became male how would you determine this? If you could tell their sex chromosones was XY but they look female what would you do? Would you force them to have surgery? Would you make them grow up being told they were male even though till puberty they wouldn't look it?

 

[abacabb3]

You'll excuse us for not listening to your "medical expertise" on the matter.

Read up on the history of lobotomies, such as "Mad in America." It's not a joke.

 

[loveofourlord]

I think you are being insensitive to people with cancer who have no choice but to undergo such a procedure or die. The transvestite issue is not equivalent to this.

Except that it is, in the transgendered person, the genitals are the deformity, their mind is thatof a female, we can't change someones sex via the mind, but we can change their bodies looks.

Here is a question, lets say that we advance to the point to where we can take a 100% male, and make him 100% female, including fully working uterus and ability to have offspring that are his would you be opposed to it? All he's doing is changing his form from one fully functional thing to another.

 

[Marius27]

Read up on the history of lobotomies, such as "Mad in America." It's not a joke.

I'm not sure what your point is. Gays were subjected to lobotomies in the 50s. It was a dark era of torture in this country.

 

[abacabb3]

But at the point when it was considered the best available treatment, it was better than anything else available. Like GRT today. Yes, it MAY turn out in the long run not to be the best treatment to the problem. Sure. But until that time, much as you may think reality is wrong on this one about it, it's still better than any alternatives that have been tried thus far.

So when a non GRT therapy is clinically demonstrated to provide better clinical outcome for people with gender dysphoria, hey, great, lets use that. But you can't seriously be suggesting that doing nothing is preferable to a treatment you for some reason feel distasteful, because you hope that in the future a different treatment may become available.

I think this is why ethics is such a valuable subject. Clearly, thinking you are a boy when you are a girl or vice versa is a mental problem. It doesn't make you bad, but it is not mentally normal and it gives one a ahrder, more confusing life. Hence, "problem."

So, the question is, is the best way to deal with mental problems to physically disfigure someone under any circumstance? I must say no. If I coped with my stress by picking open every pimple on scab on my face until I totally disfigured myself, you wouldn't consider that a legitimate life decision, but rather a horrible manifestation of an emotional problem. This is exactly how I view gender reassignment surgery. I would never hurt someone like that, even if they think they wanted it. It is a terrible thing to do a human being and ultimately, it's only justification is opposed to any objective and empirical science. It is all based upon feelings and nothing actually measurable. That's quack science, so it must be rejected on scientific and moral grounds.

Again, I really think watching the rat video answers a lot of questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46nDIl8nCGU

 

[abacabb3]

For males that are born female, and become male at puberty are they male or female?

You are what you are born, or most accurately, by the DNA. There is a reason that those who undergo surgery and or hormone therapy look weird. Transexuals do not look like good looking people. That's a fact. Go post pcitures of three women and then a transexual. I'll pick out the right one at over a 90% clip, if not 100%. WHy? You can't fool nature.

 

[abacabb3]

I'm not sure what your point is. Gays were subjected to lobotomies in the 50s. It was a dark era of torture in this country.

They thought it was the only way to deal with a mental problem. We must always take away irreversible procedures as a means to deal with mental issues for moral reasons.