Can a habitually Sexually Immoral Christian who is saved go to heaven??

[MoreCoffee]

I'll try re-wording my question: Do you believe that the apostle Paul was a spiritual man?

Yes, though I am not sure what that has to do with his humble self assessment in Romans 7:14-25.

 

[Lion King]

Q: Can a saved Christian who practices Sexual Immorality go to Heaven?

A: No. (Romans 2:6-8).



PS. Shaking my head at how low Christianity has fallen. Can't believe there are some people who believe that they can go on breaking God's commands and still claim to know Him.

 

[Honest Al]

This is not merely focusing on one sin, this is address an area that is a huge problem in the church. Remember when you are saved you are supposed to be set apart from the world and an example to them, NOT being just like them or worse in regards to sexual immorality and the bible speaks against it, God and Jesus says its a sin, and those that practice that lifestyle will not go to heaven(assuming they die unrepentant).

Sexual Immorality includes:, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, and bestiality. The 1st 2 are a big problem in the church and homosexuality is starting to become a huge issue as well as more and more churches become gay friendly not to offend, rather than focusing on repentance of that lifestyle.


AND "Telling your kid Santa is real is just as bad as raping a 13 year old boy" are not anywhere near a close comparison as one involves doing something that will scar someone for life even if you say sorry right afterwards, is wicked, and something that would get you stoned in the bible days, compared to a little boy being told Santa isnt real 10 minutes later and he goes on with life.

Another excellent post.
Praise God there are still people speaking up for truth and a higher standard.

“You are to live clean, innocent lives as children of God in a dark world full of corrupt and perverse people." {Philippians 2:15 NLT, KJV}​

 

[Jesse2014]

I have a problem with lust, though I don't physically act on it, I do in my heart. I keep confessing my sins and asking God to forgive. But I am afraid I will fall from grace.

"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have recieved a full knowledge of the truth, there is no other sacrifice that will cover these sins."

Hebrews 10:26

 

[catholichomeschooler]

I have a problem with lust, though I don't physically act on it, I do in my heart. I keep confessing my sins and asking God to forgive. But I am afraid I will fall from grace.

"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have recieved a full knowledge of the truth, there is no other sacrifice that will cover these sins."

Hebrews 10:26

That doesn't sound like deliberate sin to me. That sounds like a battle with temptation that you don't always win. I think that means you are human.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

This is not merely focusing on one sin, this is address an area that is a huge problem in the church. Remember when you are saved you are supposed to be set apart from the world and an example to them, NOT being just like them or worse in regards to sexual immorality and the bible speaks against it, God and Jesus says its a sin, and those that practice that lifestyle will not go to heaven(assuming they die unrepentant).

Sexual Immorality includes:, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, and bestiality. The 1st 2 are a big problem in the church and homosexuality is starting to become a huge issue as well as more and more churches become gay friendly not to offend, rather than focusing on repentance of that lifestyle.


AND "Telling your kid Santa is real is just as bad as raping a 13 year old boy" are not anywhere near a close comparison as one involves doing something that will scar someone for life even if you say sorry right afterwards, is wicked, and something that would get you stoned in the bible days, compared to a little boy being told Santa isnt real 10 minutes later and he goes on with life.

Apparently you're understanding what I'm saying. In the eyes of God.. all sin is equally offensive to him. I am pointing out if a guy who cheats on his wife until he dies doesn't qualify for heaven, then neither does a person who lies their entire life, steals their entire life, is jealous their entire life, and on and on and on.

You cannot gauge sin in its severity to what God decided what were the punishments for breaking them in the OT. Yes raping a child is worst than lying to a child, but that is when compared from person to person. It is a horrendous sin towards another person.

To God, all sin is equally an abomination to Him. James 2:10 is my reference to this. I am not not downgrading rape. Once again, you are using the laws of the land to measure what is worst and what is not, and to God they are all the worst.

Stealing a candy bar may not seem that bad to you, but to God you might as well shot the clerk, because it is just as sevre in His eyes.

You consider this one sin a big problem, but in reality the church is full of habitual sinners that they are not admitting too, they are just different sins.

..and yes in that regard it is a big problem, and to answer your question on whether a person who habitually sins, that depends. is the person repentant towards the sin or not? If they aren't.. then they aren't really a christian to begin with.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yes, though I am not sure what that has to do with his humble self assessment in Romans 7:14-25.

Spiritual, because the Holy Spirit resides, having been delivered from sin to God in Christ; not because He has "already attained it"--that glorious perfect state at the resurrection.

But, insofar as he remains "in the flesh", that is, bound in the body under sin and death, not yet glorified, raised up, etc, then he certainly remained a carnal man as well.

Not that bodily existence is sinful, but that our present existence in the body certainly is marked by sin and death. The body grows weak, falls ill, and the clock is always ticking until this mortal frame itself expires.

Which is why, of course, we look forward to the resurrection of the body. So that this mortal might put on immortality, that this corruptible frame will become incorruptible. That this body of death might become a body of life, in the glorious perfect image of Christ Jesus our Lord, who having been raised from the dead is the firstfruits of the resurrection, and that having the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus in us means that we too shall one day discover that this mortal body of ours be full of life.

So Paul, the spiritual man, because of the Spirit who is the pledge and promise of what is to come, received now in faith, though seen now though a dim glass; but in the end, face to face, knowing fully.

And Paul, the carnal man, because being present in sinful, mortal flesh, striving against the passions, enduring the struggle between the good on the one side and the evil on the other. Caught between Christ and Adam, in Christ by grace, through faith, through the indwelling of the Spirit and in Adam because of a humanity and body bound to the deathliness of this fallen, dying world of sin.

Which, of course, goes back to that phrase we Reformation types like to use: Simul iustus et peccator.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ShouldaWouldaCoulda]

Q: Can a saved Christian who practices Sexual Immorality go to Heaven?

A: No. (Romans 2:6-8).



PS. Shaking my head at how low Christianity has fallen. Can't believe there are some people who believe that they can go on breaking God's commands and still claim to know Him.

It is the way of the world today. It is called, liberal christianity. In the end the truth of it being a lie will resonate for its believers for all eternity.
Romans 2:1-10 (AKJV)


Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

 

[~Anastasia~]

Sin is all equal in the sense that the wages of (any) sin is death, and any sin separates us from God.

But God is pretty clear that some sins are worse than others, and some things He hates worse than others.

Just a few instances: Consider sins which are called "an abomination" by God. Different sins merit different punishments in the OT.

and Prov 6
16There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:

17Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,

18A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,

19A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.


But yes sin is sin, in that it breaks fellowship with God, and merits death as a just punishment.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Like I said, we only bury sinners.
The question is, are they repentant, or not. A serial killer convicted and in prison can convert and still go to heaven. Paul was responsible for killing Christians, what did Jesus do with him?

COMMITTING A SIN vs A HABITUAL LIFESTYLE OF SIN

There is a HUGE difference in committing a sin, which we all can do from time to time, but we have the holy spirit to convict us and we repent, turn from those sins and turn the other direction from that vs living a lifestyle of sin.

Examples of committing a sin:
-Stealing, fornication, lies, disrespecting your parents, adultrey, alcoholism...etc

All these sins or any sin, you can ask for forgiveness and repent and turn the other way.

Examples of a habitual lifestyle of sin:
-Homosexual Christians that know what the bible says, but will not repent and openly live a gay lifestyle in the church and say God made them that way and that is how they are going to live.
-Heterosexual Christians that know what the bible says, but have premarital sex as much as or more than unbelievers and could care less.

You can be gay or straight, but if you practice this and make it a lifestyle aka do it over and over and over with no regrets and dont repent and die in your sins, the bible is quiet clear what your fate is.

NO prostitute, homosexual, gay pastor, guy/girl that cheats on the spouse ALL the time, serial killer, rapist, serial bank robber, etc or any other lifestyle that is wicked and is practiced all the time will go to heaven if they die unrepentant in their sins, even if they were saved as a teen, but instead lived a unholy, immoral life as an adult. Jesus will know you by your fruits.

 

[Tammy]

If this poll is any indication as to the actual thinking of Christendom, it is no wonder that there are as many divorces amongst Christians as non-Christians.

If I were a non-Christian reading this thread, I would never be interested in a religion where nearly half of the people think it is acceptable behavior to commit sexual sin. If I were a non-Christian man and had a beautiful wife, I'd be afraid to take her to visit the Christian Church as nearly half the men there would be coveting my wife.

 

[GQ Chris]

Some professed Christians seem to think that they can get over on God without consequences just because they think "well, I'll still be admitted into Heaven, so no big deal".

God is not to be messed with, what one reaps, he/she will sow. Just go back and read about the life of King David after his great sin with Bathsheba. God did forgive him, but told him that because of what he did, "the Sword" will never depart your house, and mind you this was after he repented.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Honestly, I see SO MUCH misunderstanding of what others mean in this, too much ambiguity in the original question, and so on.

No doubt there are people out there who take their "assured salvation" as license to sin, and I have no idea what that percentage would be.

But that's not what most (or any I saw?) are talking about here.

We are all talking about so many different scenarios, and there is a lot of misunderstanding going on.




ANYone can be forgiven anything (except "blasmphemy of the Holy Spirit").

One who continues to practice sin with no sense of guilt or repentance should probably examine if they are a true believer or not.

Judging the salvation of others is not something we are called to do.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Honestly, I see SO MUCH misunderstanding of what others mean in this, too much ambiguity in the original question, and so on.

Oh, yes. The original question, the thread title, for instance: "Can a habitually Sexually Immoral Christian who is saved go to heaven??"

* A Christian is a follower of Christ and as such is saved. The phrase '...Christian who is saved...' is a redundancy.

* One who is saved is guaranteed a place in Heaven. (Heaven is a proper noun and should be capitalized in English.) Being 'saved' is not merely a chance for admission if other considerations are met. Being saved is another term for being adopted by God; for being a joint heir with Christ. One who is saved is one of those that cannot be plucked from Jesus' hand.

* '... habitually ... immoral ...' What does this mean? One who commits immorality more than once? More than twice? More than twice a year? Twice a week? Twice a day? Possibly the old standby, one who commits sin [fill in the blank] more than I do? (I mean, everyone is tempted and slips once in a while; but That Person; well, really!)

I already brought up the point - which seems to have been ignored by the judgmentally self-righteous - there are other sins that rate with sexual immorality. Gossip and swindling are two such.

The real reason to pick out a particular sin is to justify one's own self-righteousness. "I am sexually pure!" is a standard cover for "I am greedy and will cheat in business at any chance."

One who continues to practice sin with no sense of guilt or repentance should probably examine if they are a true believer or not.

That is a really good observation and idea. However, it is something for a person convicted of 'habitual sin' to consider, even seek aid from others in combating.

Judging the salvation of others is not something we are called to do.

Correctamundo!

IF one finds one's self in the sad position of being in a sexually immoral relationship; one needs to bring the matter to God immediately. One must also deal with the sexual partner in a decent and honest manner. The situation must be resolved, but not in a cavalier manner regarding the other. One must confess one's guilt to God. Perhaps to others as well. This is the responsibility of the sinner and no other.

IF one sees, finds, or suspects another of being in a sinful practice (of any sort) one must pray for that sinner and keep the matter private. Such a discovery may be divulged to others only in the most extreme circumstances; imminent physical (or emotional, sometimes) harm to a relatively innocent party. Such a discovery may only be divulged to those in authority who can deal with the problem.

Such a discovery may not be used in good conscious by a Christian merely for one's own enjoyment, revenge or self-righteous gratification.

 

[Setyoufree]

any sin separates us from God

Under law, but under grace when we sin there's no condemnation for "in Christ" was stand perfect.

 

[Setyoufree]

If I were a non-Christian reading this thread, I would never be interested in a religion where nearly half of the people think it is acceptable behavior to commit sexual sin.

As a lifestyle....

If I were a non-Christian man and had a beautiful wife, I'd be afraid to take her to visit the Christian Church as nearly half the men there would be coveting my wife.

 

[seeingeyes]

Judging the salvation of others is not something we are called to do.

There we go.

 

[Setyoufree]

Judging the salvation of others is not something we are called to do.

True, but yet there's judgment.

Romans 2:7 "To those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life ; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth (the gospel), but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation."

1 Peter 4:17 "For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God ; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God ?"

Obeying the law, for salvation, is legalism and Paul condemns it.

But "obeying the gospel" is not legalism.

Does anyone know what "obeying the gospel" means?

 

[Honest Al]

Some professed Christians seem to think that they can get over on God without consequences just because they think "well, I'll still be admitted into Heaven, so no big deal".

God is not to be messed with, what one reaps, he/she will sow. Just go back and read about the life of King David after his great sin with Bathsheba. God did forgive him, but told him that because of what he did, "the Sword" will never depart your house, and mind you this was after he repented.

 

[Honest Al]

Judging the salvation of others is not something we are called to do.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this next passage doesn't appear (to me at least) to harmonize with that:

"This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God." {1 John 3:10 NIV}