"...And your Lord is never forgetful..."

[Supreme]

First, the Qur'an was the final Revelation "until the day of Resurrection". In the Baha'i view, the Day of Resurrection began in 1844 AD (1260 AH - cf all the prophecies in the Old and New Testaments about the year 1260).

Second, the Qur'an is a book of spiritual and social teachings. The historical accounts are taken from the understandings of the day current amongst people, for the purpose of explicating the spiritual and social teachings. Not to give a history lesson.

This is my understanding of the Bible- that it is a book of spiritual and social teachings, not a history textbook with completely accurate details.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Again I request people to take other conversations to different threads, thanks.

Some news:

1.) Shaykh Munajjid's son was stabbed to death this week. Shaykh Munajjid runs the website islam-qa.info (which I've linked to here before) and I believe has an Islaamic channel. Indeed to Allaah we belong and to Him we return.

"A number of religious scholars and preachers including Sheikh Salman Al-Odah, Sheikh Nabil Al-Awadi, Sheikh Mohammad Al-Arefe, and Sheikh Nasser Al-Omar offered their condolences to Sheikh Al-Munajjid.

On Tuesday, Sheikh Al-Odah posted on Twitter, “May God have mercy on Anas Al-Munajjid and accept him among the righteous, and may He inspire his family and loved ones’ patience and firm faith. Surely we belong to Allah and to Him shall we return.”

Sheikh Al-Awadi tweeted, “Please accept my condolences Sheikh Mohammad Al-Munajjid in the death of your son Anas. May God forgive him, have mercy on him, ease this calamity on you and reunite you all in paradise.”

Son of Saudi Islamic scholar stabbed to death | Riyadh Connect

2.) Abu Ghraib was finally closed, all praises belong to Him. I hope the atrocities also close down along with it (all over the country).

Iraq closes infamous Abu Ghraib prison | Iraq | Worldbulletin News

3.) Sarah Attia, the wife of Khaled al-Qazzaz - an aide of Morsi's who has been detained without charge for the past nine months, spoke at a university in Tennessee a few days ago.

Excerpt from a speech by Khaled's wife at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga:

"What crime has Khaled done for 286 days of no freedom without charge?" Attia asked the audience at UTC. "Was his charge that he dreamed of democracy, that he dreamed of a better Egypt?"

"I am here today fighting for justice for my husband and for all Egyptians," she said, "and to share with you through my own view what my family and Egyptians have lived through."

UTC audience looks at events in Egypt | Times Free Press

Here is the speech (Sarah's segment starts at 49 minutes):

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Amnesty International issued an open letter to the Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Baird, before his trip to Egypt. In it, among the things they ask him for is to take action in order to free two detained Egyptians, one of them being Khaled al-Qazzaz.

 

[dcalling]

just to give a balanced view, God will not forgive people who stab innocent people, who throw teenage boys to death, who target civilians in malls, who hijack planes and fly them to civilian buildings, who behead captured soldiers. Our God is the God of Love, God of Mercy, God of virtual, ruler of the universe, and all is in his hands.

Christian Woman Stabbed to Death in Southern Egypt
Syria Missile kill Catholic school children
Islamic extremists kill 20 in nigeria

PS: Last edit, my intent was to use 'forget' but typed 'forgive' instead.

 

[Dialogues]

And how is that a 'balanced view'?

The All-Merciful does forgive those who repent of their evils and change their ways and their erroneous views and beliefs. Did He not forgive the people of Ninevah despite the prophecy of their destruction when they believed in the message delivered by God's prophet and in him, and repented of their evil ways (even though the prophecy of destruction did not even include the condition of repentance)?

No artificial vicarious atonement or blood sacrifice by them was required for it - indeed, they did not sacrifice any animals; rather, they dressed themselves and their animals in sack-cloth, as a symbol of the repentance in their hearts, and it is the repentance of the heart that is required, the animal or blood sacrifice just being a symbol that they are now willing to sacrifice their lower desires for the sake of God.

Let those given to wisdom open their eyes and learn a lesson from this.

Peace.

 

[light upon light]

God will forgive anyone He chooses to. We are not in charge of deciding that.

As for those committing murder, rape, and violence in the name of God, such people are in the depths of ignorance and blindness and are the embodiments of the Satanic spirit. No matter which religion they profess.

 

[dazed]

just to give a balanced view, God will not forgive people who stab innocent people, who throw teenage boys to death, who target civilians in malls, who hijack planes and fly them to civilian buildings, who behead captured soldiers. Our God is the God of Love, God of Mercy, God of virtual, ruler of the universe, and all is in his hands.

Er, John 3:16! I thought the selling point of Christianity is to accept Jesus and all your sins will be forgiven.

 

[smaneck]

God will forgive anyone He chooses to. We are not in charge of deciding that.

However . . .

O Oppressors of Earth!

Withdraw your hands from tyranny, for I have pledged Myself not to forgive any man’s injustice. This is My covenant which I have irrevocably decreed in the preserved tablet and sealed it with My seal of glory.

Baha'u'llah

 

[dcalling]

Doh my bad, I intent to use 'forget' but used 'forgive' instead, as that is the title of the thread. God does forgive, but nothing is forgotten

Thank you all who pointed it out!

 

[ContraMundum]

Islam is always about politics in the end, right LoveBeingaMuslima?

..and I'm not sure why this thread is allowed. Seems rather off topic on a "Christianity and world religions" forum. This would do fine on an Islam-only forum.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

just to give a balanced view

What, there aren't enough posts/threads dedicated to Christians or against Islaam/Muslims on this forum? If anything, my thread is trying to bring some balance to those views.

Doh my bad, I intent to use 'forget' but used 'forgive' instead, as that is the title of the thread.

The title of the thread is "....And your Lord is never forgetful...."

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Allegations of an Islamic takeover plot in Birmingham schools aren't justified by the evidence – and the government response is way out of proportion

Anti-Muslim suspicion in Britain has a whiff of McCarthyism about it | Salma Yaqoob | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Speaking of Britain, I imagine some of you have already heard about Moazzam Begg being arrested a few months back. Not only has he already faced 3 years in the notorious Guantanamo Bay (and the UK did nothing about this), but now the British government arrests him on "suspicion of terrorist activity" on his trip to Syria more than a year after the trip.

Here are some excerpts from a piece by Glenn Greenwald (may Allaah guide him to Islaam) and Murtaza Hussain (may Allaah reward him):

".....There has been a consistent attempt by government authorities to stifle political activism among those criticizing civil rights abuses as well as foreign military expansionism. Predominantly, the brunt of this suppression has focused on Muslim minority communities in the West....."

"....While government suppression of activists usually begins by targeting unpopular minority groups such as Muslims, it is clear that the dragnet is already beginning to expand, as exemplified by the recent threats and detentions of journalists, whistleblowers and other activist groups under terrorism laws.

The arrest of one of the West’s most prominent Muslim war on terror critics is almost certain to further stifle political activism within the Muslim community and more broadly as well. Utilizing extremely dubious terrorism charges against domestic dissidents has been a hallmark of the national security state in the post-9/11 era. That such tactics are commonly condemned when implemented by authoritarian governments such as China, Egypt and Russia - and yet enthusiastically implemented at home with little objection – exemplifies the corrosive measures and accompanying mentality which are undermining the foundations of Western freedoms....."

 

[wn123455]

Allegations of an Islamic takeover plot in Birmingham schools aren't justified by the evidence – and the government response is way out of proportion

Anti-Muslim suspicion in Britain has a whiff of McCarthyism about it | Salma Yaqoob | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Speaking of Britain, I imagine some of you have already heard about Moazzam Begg being arrested a few months back. Not only has he already faced 3 years in the notorious Guantanamo Bay (and the UK did nothing about this), but now the British government arrests him on "suspicion of terrorist activity" on his trip to Syria more than a year after the trip.

Here are some excerpts from a piece by Glenn Greenwald (may Allaah guide him to Islaam) and Murtaza Hussain (may Allaah reward him):

".....There has been a consistent attempt by government authorities to stifle political activism among those criticizing civil rights abuses as well as foreign military expansionism. Predominantly, the brunt of this suppression has focused on Muslim minority communities in the West....."

"....While government suppression of activists usually begins by targeting unpopular minority groups such as Muslims, it is clear that the dragnet is already beginning to expand, as exemplified by the recent threats and detentions of journalists, whistleblowers and other activist groups under terrorism laws.

The arrest of one of the West’s most prominent Muslim war on terror critics is almost certain to further stifle political activism within the Muslim community and more broadly as well. Utilizing extremely dubious terrorism charges against domestic dissidents has been a hallmark of the national security state in the post-9/11 era. That such tactics are commonly condemned when implemented by authoritarian governments such as China, Egypt and Russia - and yet enthusiastically implemented at home with little objection – exemplifies the corrosive measures and accompanying mentality which are undermining the foundations of Western freedoms....."

If you think a mostly non-muslim country is anti-muslim then why don't you move to a muslim majority country?

Persecution of Non-Muslims - WikiIslam

 

[smaneck]

If you think a mostly non-muslim country is anti-muslim then why don't you move to a muslim majority country?

Whose in the majority where you live, wn?

 

[All Englands Skies]

If you think a mostly non-muslim country is anti-muslim then why don't you move to a muslim majority country?

Persecution of Non-Muslims - WikiIslam

You're never going to reason with people who get uppity and outraged over the "western worlds" treatment of muslims, who then on the other hand defend and support the worse treatment and laws forced upon non-muslims in Islamic lands.

The people who pipe on about "Anti-terror" laws who then in other threads defend and support corrupt "Blasphamy" laws and actually still act all high and mighty.

It comes back to the same thing over and over again with Muslims, Its okay for "them" to do it to "us", but not okay for "us" to do it to "them"

Also on a side note, on other threads muslims were saying how its not right for us foreigners to be against or speak out against laws in Islamic lands as we don't live there, however as usual, its okay for them to be against the laws of non-muslim lands they don't live in, funny that, isn't it?

 

[All Englands Skies]

Allegations of an Islamic takeover plot in Birmingham schools aren't justified by the evidence – and the government response is way out of proportion

Anti-Muslim suspicion in Britain has a whiff of McCarthyism about it | Salma Yaqoob | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Speaking of Britain, I imagine some of you have already heard about Moazzam Begg being arrested a few months back. Not only has he already faced 3 years in the notorious Guantanamo Bay (and the UK did nothing about this), but now the British government arrests him on "suspicion of terrorist activity" on his trip to Syria more than a year after the trip.

Here are some excerpts from a piece by Glenn Greenwald (may Allaah guide him to Islaam) and Murtaza Hussain (may Allaah reward him):

".....There has been a consistent attempt by government authorities to stifle political activism among those criticizing civil rights abuses as well as foreign military expansionism. Predominantly, the brunt of this suppression has focused on Muslim minority communities in the West....."

"....While government suppression of activists usually begins by targeting unpopular minority groups such as Muslims, it is clear that the dragnet is already beginning to expand, as exemplified by the recent threats and detentions of journalists, whistleblowers and other activist groups under terrorism laws.

The arrest of one of the West’s most prominent Muslim war on terror critics is almost certain to further stifle political activism within the Muslim community and more broadly as well. Utilizing extremely dubious terrorism charges against domestic dissidents has been a hallmark of the national security state in the post-9/11 era. That such tactics are commonly condemned when implemented by authoritarian governments such as China, Egypt and Russia - and yet enthusiastically implemented at home with little objection – exemplifies the corrosive measures and accompanying mentality which are undermining the foundations of Western freedoms....."

Somebody who is anti-western, pro-Islamic at the expense of others, using Islamist propaganda, blames the west for everything, fans the flames, tries to garnish support for hardline Muslims then getting upset over the fact Muslims are being stereotyped as such?

the mind boggles.

 

[ContraMundum]

You're never going to reason with people who get uppity and outraged over the "western worlds" treatment of muslims, who then on the other hand defend and support the worse treatment and laws forced upon non-muslims in Islamic lands.

The people who pipe on about "Anti-terror" laws who then in other threads defend and support corrupt "Blasphamy" laws and actually still act all high and mighty.

It comes back to the same thing over and over again with Muslims, Its okay for "them" to do it to "us", but not okay for "us" to do it to "them"

Also on a side note, on other threads muslims were saying how its not right for us foreigners to be against or speak out against laws in Islamic lands as we don't live there, however as usual, its okay for them to be against the laws of non-muslim lands they don't live in, funny that, isn't it?

Somebody who is anti-western, pro-Islamic at the expense of others, using Islamist propaganda, blames the west for everything, fans the flames, tries to garnish support for hardline Muslims then getting upset over the fact Muslims are being stereotyped as such?

the mind boggles.

Agree with all of this. I think radical Islamists have maxed out their "victim" card with most people- we see through it, and we know Imperialism when we see it. I just ignore them now, and from a distance watch their movement continue to unravel and gain unpopularity from non-Muslim and Muslim alike.

 

[wn123455]

Somebody who is anti-western, pro-Islamic at the expense of others, using Islamist propaganda, blames the west for everything, fans the flames, tries to garnish support for hardline Muslims then getting upset over the fact Muslims are being stereotyped as such?

the mind boggles.

Oh, well I take Indonesia as a Muslim country (and West Papua is part of Indonesia).

lovebeingamuslimah thinks West Papua is part of indonesia. The mostly muslim indonesia is occupying and colonizing the mostly non-muslim West Papua.

Papua conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They can fight back. And I believe that they are resisting in China. I virtually know nothing about the Muslims of North Korea so I can't really comment.

lovebeingamuslimah said it is alright for uighur muslims to resist in China and how are uighur muslim extremists resisting? The uighur muslim extremists are resisting by killing innocent civilians. Hardly anyone called lovebeingamuslimah out for calling killing innocent civilians resistance.

2014 Kunming attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ContraMundum]

lovebeingamuslimah thinks West Papua is part of indonesia. The mostly muslim indonesia is occupying and colonizing the mostly non-muslim West Papua.

Papua conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



lovebeingamuslimah said it is alright for uighur muslims to resist in China and how are uighur muslim extremists resisting? The uighur muslim extremists are resisting by killing innocent civilians. Hardly anyone called lovebeingamuslimah out for calling killing innocent civilians resistance.

2014 Kunming attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think people like the one you mention are any different to other politically motived revolutionaries. What Islamists are doing now is what some Marxists used to call agitation- create unrest and strife. This goes hand in hand with the notion that the agitators know what's right for the rest of us (who almost always form a vast majority)

As I said- when I read this person's posts, all I see is politics cloaked in religious fundamentalism. I reject, refuse and resist. All Imperialism is bad, including Arabised Imperialism.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

*rolls eyes*

Funny that some of the people who use love as a motto are among the most hostile of all. The mind boggles. And hey, don't forget to pull out your Muslamic ray guns next time. And that's more than enough attention given to Islamophobes. Moving on.

This article is really, really good.

"In order to justify an overthrow of Egypt’s first-ever democratically elected president, Mohamed Morsi, who had only reached the end of the first year of his first term in office, the military and other forces backing the coup needed a strong rationalization. After painting Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood as incompetent rulers trying to hijack Egypt, state and non-state actors – including Egyptian politicians, Egyptian media, and pro-June 30 analysts – opted for an additional quantitative rationalization, arguing that the military was simply responding to the call of “the nation,” the overwhelming majority of “the people.”

This sort of explanation reads much better than admitting to a naked power grab, sacrificing in the process Egypt’s first free and fair elections, which had already decided who would govern Egypt in the short term."

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"I engaged in too many social media debates to count, and, in every one of them, the pro-coup academic on the other side of the argument refused to engage with empirical realities. I referenced the polls that showed Egypt was a split society and that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood had very strong popular support, particularly outside of Cairo; the obvious reality that the Muslim Brotherhood and their supporters were part of “the nation”; the five recent elections that the Muslim Brotherhood had won; the literature on crowd-sizing that shows it was not possible for there to have been anywhere near 33 million (or 14 million) anti-Morsi protesters in the streets on June 30; and the problems associated with using phrases like “the nation” to reference a political faction.

Along with many others, I pointed out that Egypt’s 2012 constitution allowed for free political competition and that anti-Brotherhood political parties – of which there were more than a dozen – could have simply organized themselves for the Fall 2013 parliamentary elections, taken parliament, had the final say on Egypt’s prime minister, revised the constitution, and, if necessary, removed Morsi through the 2012 constitution’s impeachment mechanism. This would have been preferable to a military coup bent on denying Islamists – hitherto undefeated at the polls – political participation. Most of the time, these arguments were not seriously considered, and analysts insisted on the validity of their quantitative argument."

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Exaggerated protest numbers and talk of “the nation” could be read as miscalculations or shoddy analysis. It seems probable, however, that something more is at play in this discourse, which is noticeably exclusionary and seems to correspond well with the Egyptian coup-regime’s campaign to annihilate the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt’s campaign of elimination: pro-June 30 analysts and the quantitative rationalization for Egypt’s coup | openDemocracy

 

[ContraMundum]

*rolls eyes*

Funny that some of the people who use love as a motto are among the most hostile of all. The mind boggles. And hey, don't forget to pull out your Muslamic ray guns next time. And that's more than enough attention given to Islamophobes. Moving on.

You seriously think this is Islamophobic? You honestly think this is hostility to you personally?

It's not. It's objective critical analysis of your posts. The observations are this a) you play the victim card - vidicated in this post and b) you always go back to politics- also vindicated in this post.

Notice that we're not being critical of the other Muslim posters, who seem to take a different position to you. So it's not about Muslims- it's about your obsession with politics, war, violence and all that stuff.