Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

[BobRyan]

--is the Sabbath not the 10 commandments---The sabbath is part of the 10 commandments!! The only one that starts with "Remember"--which everyone wants to forget!!

indeed.

Details matter.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The topic is the Sabbath, not the Ten Commandments -

Until you notice that the 4th Commandment is one of the TEN Commandments as we see in Ex 20.

And until you notice that James 2 says that to break one of them - is to break all of them.

And until you notice that Eph 6:1-2 places them all in a single unit - in which the 5th commandment is the first one with a promise.

And until you notice that even the sunday sources in this list admit to the Sabbath in the TEN Commandments - that are still binding on the saints today.

=======
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson,
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others

From a functional level, the only person who doesn't seem to realize that the Sabbath is codified in the Ten Commandments is BobRyan.

I thought about listing the number of details in the post I made above that your response glossed over and failed to address while you were coming up with a true nonsequitur -- and later decided against it since I think that it is pretty much "obvious" to the unbiased objective readers.

I suspect that even you agree with me on that point.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

I thought about listing the number of details in the post I made above that your response glossed over and failed to address while you were coming up with a true nonsequitur -- and later decided against it since I think that it is pretty much "obvious" to the unbiased objective readers.

I suspect that even you agree with me on that point.

in Christ,

Bob

It's a detail that defines the Adventist rendition of 'salvation', dependent on keeping the Sabbath holy. Posting an admission that by discarding the Sabbaths you've also discarded the Ten Commandments presents a problem you haven't a solution to. This is obvious to the casual observer.

 

[from scratch]

I aready posted on this very verse a long time ago. This soteriolgy of works is what the covenant from Mount Sinai required, and God concluded all of the recipients to that covenant 'disobedient'. The scribes and Pharisees were the subculture of the recipients who complied with the Law better than anyone else, and Jesus identified their works to be a failure. The first covenant was a failure because the recipients broke it, as Hebrews 8:7 and following verses explain.

Exactly!

 

[from scratch]

Good grief--further evidence that you don't read--I mentioned several times that I was born curious and that throughtout my life I've driven everyone I know crazy with my one never ending and persistent question "Why??" and you write that!!!
You also didn't read that I said we had to go to the leadership of each faith and ask them why they believed what they did, complete with their biblical basis????---Somebody give me an aspirin--I've got a headache!!!!

You and I seem to have the same God given trait then. I used to drive my mom to upset with my why question. I do fail to see how this would change the meaning of what I said.

Yes and if I only studied what the leadership of any given church said I'd come to their POV. If this is so there is no point of studying, just swallow whatever they say with no questions. I really think its not NTL each to their own.

Upon seeing what goes on in the religious world I wonder if its not really based on vanity opposed to the Bible. Just because someone quotes the Bible doesn't mean their conclusions are based on it. Remember they're defending their position with anything they think fits the bill. Its witnessed here all the time. Its also a main reason for disagreement.

 

[Water Cross]

Maybe add in animal sacrifice and stoning too, as they are commandments from God as well

I think I just heard a lamb scream at the mere thought.

Jesus was the sacrifice for all sins and transgressions. While the Sabbath was to be kept even in the new testament. As it was referred to there as well.

 

[from scratch]

I do answer what is presented to me!! It's just that nobody likes what we say and say it is not answering when it is! You say the topic (And by you, I mean you Vic!)--is the Sabbath not the 10 commandments---The sabbath is part of the 10 commandments!! The only one that starts with "Remember"--which everyone wants to forget!!

Maybe you should try the SDA board. Personally I think you're looking for converts opposed to fellowship.

 

[from scratch]

Here's the paragraph from my post that you're referring to:

Your partial quote directly from the covenant from Mount Sinai -Exodus 20:8- fixates on the verb 'remember', but glosses over the adjective 'HOLY'. While suggesting others have forgotten the verb involved in the old covenant God delivered us from, you forgot all about that adjective, and its call for Holiness according to the Law that details restrictions on fire, holy convocations, and burnt offerings performed by a Levitical priesthood you don't even have access to. Offerings our High Priest mediating the NEW covenant isn't even authorized to perform.

My mention of the topic was to direct your attention back to the Sabbath you willfully chose to forget all about. I already pointed out that each time you draw attention to Exodus 20 you're referencing the ORAL giving of the covenant from Mount Sinai - and yet you can't reconcile why one should accept what God commanded in one place and ignore His commandment within the same covenant's tenure elsewhere. It comes down to a rejection of the Sabbath - and if you aren't complant with the Sabbath, you sure aren't compliant with the Ten Commandments. After all, it is you who is reminding us of the old covenant by a one-word quote from Exodus 20:8.

Judaism and unholy modifications thereof are a soteriological failure. I don't know why Adventism is drawn to abject failure, but that isn't my problem. Christianity is far superior, along with God's "My rest" the Sabbath didn't provide.

They don't wish to deal with the rest of the commandment if anyone notices here. There is good cause for this. Its extremely inconvenient.

This part of the commandment always seems to be left out of their discussion for some reason -

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

When questioned about it they will say things such as vehicles are mentioned while not realizing what a vehicle is. They buy goods and services requiring others to work for them. This is taking advantage of good things to justify themselves while condemning them to burn for working. This religious hypocrisy makes it very hard to reach others for Jesus. Please don't think they're the only hypocrites (not said to mean you, since I quoted your post).

 

[from scratch]

I think I just heard a lamb scream at the mere thought.

Jesus was the sacrifice for all sins and transgressions. While the Sabbath was to be kept even in the new testament. As it was referred to there as well.

Yes right here by Jesus no less -

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Notice it isn't the 7th day Sabbath. Jesus offered Himself as that rest. I accepted it.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I think I just heard a lamb scream at the mere thought.

Jesus was the sacrifice for all sins and transgressions. While the Sabbath was to be kept even in the new testament. As it was referred to there as well.

No, Christians are not required to keep the Sabbath, Jews were required to keep it BEFORE the cross in the New Testament but not after. The Council of Jerusalem nixed the Sabbath command entirely.

 

[from scratch]

indeed.

Details matter.

in Christ,

Bob

Until one doesn't wish to deal with them as proved here over and over.

 

[from scratch]

No, Christians are not required to keep the Sabbath, Jews were required to keep it BEFORE the cross in the New Testament but not after. The Council of Jerusalem nixed the Sabbath command entirely.

The Bible proof on this is -

Now we are delivered form the law... Rom 7:6

 

[LarryP2]

They don't wish to deal with the rest of the commandment if anyone notices here. There is good cause for this. Its extremely inconvenient.

This part of the commandment always seems to be left out of their discussion for some reason -

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

When questioned about it they will say things such as vehicles are mentioned while not realizing what a vehicle is. They buy goods and services requiring others to work for them. This is taking advantage of good things to justify themselves while condemning them to burn for working. This religious hypocrisy makes it very hard to reach others for Jesus. Please don't think they're the only hypocrites (not said to mean you, since I quoted your post).

There are many practical problems that are screamingly hilarious that there is no solution for. Right now, in Samoa, the Adventists worship and keep sacred SUNDAY, because some numb skull at the Church's founding couldn't comprehend the workings of the International Dateline. Read this article and try to imagine just how bizarre and ludicrous any attempt at Sabbath keeping actually is:
Adventist Today : Samoa, the International Dateline Shift, and the Seventh-day Sabbath
The Samoan Sabbath Dilemma Revisited - Seventh-day Sabbath Issues

No way out of it: Seventh Day Adventists on Samoa have the Mark of the Beast because they worship on the "Pope's Sabbath:" Sunday. They are all lost.

Ooops.

And then there are the ones that live in very high latitudes (Northern Scandinavia): during the winter, their "Sabbaths" are a few minutes long on Saturday since the Sun is always very low in the horizon and they sometimes only have a few minutes of "daylight" each day. Or alternatively, "Sabbath" turns out to be about four or five months long, with no break. During the summer, when there is almost no nighttime, they have the opposite problem. There really is no Sunset. That can go on for months. Wheeeeee! Summertime fun! No Sabbath for three months! Party on DUDE!
Jewish law in the polar regions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And for about the first 11 years of the cult, Seventh Day Adventist's "Sabbath" was kept from 6 pm on Friday until 6 pm on Saturday, until "new light" showed that was in error. Then they switched over to the Sundown-to-Sundown formula used today (oblivious to the devastating problem they just created for people in Northern Scandinavia!!!). So for 11 years, no Adventist properly kept the Sabbath, and all who died before the "new light" was shown were not saved. Pretty embarrassing when their own "Prophet" (who they revere) was found to be in such horrific error. The salvation of thousands of people who died during those 11 years were lost because they did not keep Sabbath from sundown to sundown, as their "inspired" "prophet" realized...... only too late. So sad!
The Reckoning of the Sabbath Today
From Even to Even Shall Ye Celebrate Your Sabbath

Oops!

And now here's the REAL clincher: Are Adventists keeping the REAL seventh day? Has anyone traced our present "Saturday's" day back to Exodus? No? Then who knows whether they are keeping the "Seventh Day" as commanded to the Israelites? Adventists could be keeping an "Exodus" Thursday or Friday or Monday. They might even be branded with the Mark of the Beast and worshiping on an "Exodus" "Sunday" without even realizing it. Nobody knows. Somebody better figure this out, otherwise everyone in the SDA Church could be consigned to Hell. They could all be keeping the "Pope's Sabbath" and not even know it.

Oops!

And then there are leap years. Is just one day of the leap year a "Sabbath" or ALL of them, since theoretically, a Leap Year is "making up" for lost "lunations" accrued over seven years. The Jews would fix this problem by having an 8 or 9 or 10 day "week" the fourth week every month, and then commemorating an entire year-long "Sabbath" every seventh years. They would commemorate every day that year as a Sabbath.

Are Adventists saved if they follow these examples set by Judaism? What if they don't?

Ooops!

Plainly, the Sabbath was made for a relatively small and discreet ethnic group that lived in the balmy Mediterranean area where the days and night are roughly equal year around. Or where the entire nation keeps the same day, like modern day Israel. That's why the preamble to the Ten Commandments make it clear the law is for only the rescued Israelite slaves from Egypt, to set them apart from all other nations. The Sabbath served PRECISELY the same function as circumcision, a visible sign of their covenant.

Christianity's covenants are different: The Eucharist, baptism, indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It became obvious that if the New Covenant was meant for the whole world, then the Mosaic Law had to go. The Roman Calender at that time had 8 day weeks. Judaism at the time of the Second Temple calculated the Sabbath based on the position of moon each month. Nobody knows whether they were actually using a 7-day week system, a 9-day week system, or what. It could vary "week to week." They may have had reoccurring 9 day weeks, where only intermittently would "Sabbath" be on "Saturday." Until Adventists can synchronize their Sabbath "days" back to Exodus, they are all lost. Hell awaits anyone who THINKS they are keeping a "Saturday" "Sabbath," but turns out was actually a Thursday all along. Or Sunday. Oh my.
Seven-day week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ooops!

And so any absurd attempt by Christians to continue Sabbath-keeping - especially in light of the Roman Empire's 8-day week, and the possibility that some of the Jewish "weeks" may have been 9 or 10 days in length - was rejected at the Council of Jerusalem, once and for all, removing all remaining lingering doubt.

 

[from scratch]

Its actually hilarious problem they have no solution to. Right now, in Samoa, the Adventists worship and keep sacred SUNDAY, because some numbskull couldn't comprehend the workings of the International Dateline. Read this article and try to imagine just how bizarre and ludicrous any attempt at Sabbath keeping actually is:
Adventist Today : Samoa, the International Dateline Shift, and the Seventh-day Sabbath
The Samoan Sabbath Dilemma Revisited - Seventh-day Sabbath Issues

No way out of it: Seventh Day Adventists on Samoa have the Mark of the Beast because they worship on Sunday. They are all lost.

Ooops.

And then there are the ones that live in very high latitudes (Northern Scandinavia): during the winter, their "Sabbaths" are most of the day Friday and Saturday since the Sun is always very low in the horizon and they sometimes only have a few minutes of "daylight." "Sabbath" turns out to be about four or five months long, with no break. During the summer, when there is almost no nighttime, they have the opposite problem. There really is no Sunset. That can go on for months. Wheeeeee! Summertime fun! No Sabbath for three months! Party on DUDE!
Jewish law in the polar regions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For about the first 11 years of the cult, Seventh Day Adventist's "Sabbath" was kept from 6 pm on Friday until 6 pm on Saturday, until "new light" showed that was in error. Then they switched over to the Sundown-to-Sundown formula used today. So for 11 years, no Adventist properly kept the Sabbath, and all who died before the "new light" was shown were not saved. Pretty embarrassing when their own "Prophet" (who they revere) was found to be in such horrific error. The salvation of thousands of people were lost because they did not keep Sabbath from sundown to sundown, as their "inspired" "prophet" realized......too late.
The Reckoning of the Sabbath Today
From Even to Even Shall Ye Celebrate Your Sabbath

Oops!

And now here's the REAL clincher: Are Adventists keeping the REAL seventh day? Has anyone traced the day back to Exodus? No? Then who knows whether they are keeping the "Seventh Day" as commanded to the Israelites? Adventists could be keeping Thursday or Friday or Monday. Nobody knows.

Oops!

Plainly, the Sabbath was made for a relatively small and discreet ethnic group that lived in the balmy Mediterranean area where the days and night are roughly equal year around. Or where the entire nation keeps the same day, like modern day Israel. That's why the preamble to the Ten Commandments make it clear the law is for only the rescued slaves from Egypt, to set them apart from all other nations. The Sabbath served PRECISELY the same function as circumcision, a visible sign of their covenant.

Christianity's covenants are entirely different: The Eucharist, baptism, indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It became obvious that if the New Covenant was meant for the whole world, then the Mosaic Law had to go. The Roman Calender at that time had 8 day weeks. Judaism at the time of the Second Temple calculated the Sabbath based on the position of moon each month. Nobody knows whether they were actually using a 7-day week system, a 9-day week system, or what. Until Adventists can synchronize their Sabbath "days" back to Exodus, they are all lost. Hell awaits anyone who THINKS they are keeping a Saturday Sabbath, but turns out was actually a Thursday.

Ooops!

And so any absurd attempt by Christians to continue Sabbath-keeping - in light of the Roman Empire's 8-day week - was rejected at the Council of Jerusalem, once and for all, removing all remaining lingering doubt.

Yep they're more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

 

[LarryP2]

Once again, the honest Adventist "Feast Keepers" are riding to the rescue: Some of them have decreed that the Earth is Flat, thereby "solving" all of the problems created by a round Earth in calculating Sabbath Days, where a Moon revolves around it creating a misleading weekly cycle. Rather than the moon orbiting around the Earth, it just moves back and forth over a flat earth, never misleading Adventists about the weekly cycle ever again. Like an iron on an ironing board. Only the iron passes underneath the full length of the ironing board, every other pass. Allowing the Earth's long-stapled cotton "shirt" to cool off between passes, thus avoiding "scorching."

A Flat Earth: Won't I look like a shameful fool for posting that previous post!

Modern "worldly" Adventists have apostatized from the cult's beginnings, and have sinfully-accepted the Pagan-generated theory ("it's only a theory, not a fact") of a round world:

"The sect which produced the most Flat Earth adherents in the nineteenth century was the Seventh Day Adventists. Several Seventh Day Adventists authored Flat Earth books based on 'Earth Not a Globe' by Samuel Rowbotham. The most notable of these is 'Is the Bible From Heaven? Is the Earth a Globe?' by Alexander Gleason. This voluminous book is possibly the most informative Zetetic Flat Earth book aside from 'Earth Not a Globe."
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=5916.10;wap2

The SDA's Founding Prophet Ellen White certainly left open the possibility that Adventists could one day revert to a Flat Earth theory (she left some wiggle room, having struggled, and sometimes failed; to define a "Sabbath" "Day" throughout her career):

"[Ellen White] had to contend with a rather erratic church member who was on a crusade to save Seventh-day Adventists from the belief that the world is round. He sought her support for the flat-earth theory. Her answer was: "I have a message to this people in regard to the life they must live in this world to prepare them for future life which measures with the life of God. We have nought to do with the question whether this world is round or flat." (emphasis added)—Manuscript 145, 1904. 5BIO 351.3
http://egwtext.whiteestate.org/publ...&lang=en&pagenumber=351&paragraphReferences=1

One day, all fanatical Adventists will be living on a Flat Earth, keeping Sabbaths every seven days, every seven months and every seven years, with all of the Jewish feasts and festivals, especially the ones commemorating all of the Adventists that were freed from Egyptian slavery. Every Adventist home will have blood painted on the door posts. They will wear linen robes with hemp ropes around the waist, as the Old Testament mandates. They will reinstate stoning for having sex while your wife is menstruating. You will be stoned for wearing a cotton T-Shirt under a nylon coat (mixing two fabrics is a no-no in Leviticus). They will get rid of St. Paul, who they will eventually concede did away with all of their absurd Judaizing nonsense. Their Bible will be the Old Testament plus the Synaptic Gospels (The Gospel of John was clearly influenced by pagan Greek thought, so it has to go). Adventist Temples will sprout up in every town and city, so animal sacrifices can be done by a full-time Adventist/Levitical Priesthood for everyone's benefit, so that nobody will have to sacrifice animals in their back yard anymore (and go through the hassle of a county burning permit every week).

Victor C will be laughing out of the other side of his mouth when all these revolutionary changes happen (I assuming he never foresaw the brilliant solution of a reinstated Flat Earth). The EPA will promulgate new rules for regulating the emissions from Adventist Temples in every city. Adventist Temples with efficient emissions scrubbers will be able to sell "credits" under Cap and Trade, thereby making Tithes optional. Or will it? Like I have time to think THAT through, after announcing my theory of a "non-scorched-cotton-shirt-flat-ironingboard-earth).

That will please the neighbors in the suburbs. Burnt offerings, yee gads!

That has to Stink!

 

[mmksparbud]

No, Christians are not required to keep the Sabbath, Jews were required to keep it BEFORE the cross in the New Testament but not after. The Council of Jerusalem nixed the Sabbath command entirely.

"The council of Jerusalem nixed the Sabbath command entirely!!???
And that, of course, wipes out the fact the the Sabbath is God's Sabbath made for man--His gift to us. The Lord's day. How does a human "nix" a commandment from God that He calls His day, and that His Son has said was made specifically for man? It's truly ridiculous to imagine that God made a day holy & sanctified for Himself alone, but then Christ says the day was made for man--He never once said the day was made for God!! As though He needs a day of rest!! Really now! His rest is the Sabbath, we enter into that rest day with Him, we spend it with Him, it's for us to spend with Him. To lay aside all things secular, except for the care of man and animals, to set aside all our worries, and woes, and heartaches and rest mind body and soul with Him. It became a burden only when the Rabbi's attached rule after rule after rule to it and took the whole thing out of the hand of God and put it into mans.
People who do not want to honor that day then make absurd statements like we do not keep it anyway, that we constantly break it--how would you know??--God said not to light a fire and that to you means that we do not turn on an electric--or, for that matter, a gas burner, and the min ute we do we break it! Pharasees see it that way. If you think turning on a burner is work, my condolences!--You must lead a pretty sedentary life. He meant to not cook. It was a big deal then--have to go out and pick up wood just for starters! I'm not going to the back 40 to pick up wood. Throwing allready made food in a nuker or oven is not a big deal--except to you who are looking to nitpic everyone to death just like the Rabbis did!!
To get rid of the Commandments meant Christ would have had to abolish all of them before His death. He did no such thing, in fact He said make sure that their flight not be on the Sabbath--an event that would happen long after His death and resurrection. The heirs can not change the will---That is done before the death of the one making the will. It is a covenant!--No changes after death! No one had the right to change anything after the death of Christ that He himself had not changed and what he did away with was the blood of animals and any ceremony that pointed to His death on the cross was no longer needed as He was that Lamb.--When people do not want to do something they come up with some really absurd things that do not make sense to anyone but themselves!--We have never said that keeping the sabbath saves anyone, but if you say you're keeping it and then don't, then to that person it does mean their salvation, for then it means they are living a lie. We are saved by grace--period. Not by works, but "faith without works is dead"--what is done is simply done out of love for God because He has written His law into our hearts. And that last sentence is read by many here to mean that there is no law when it plainly says He has written His LAW into our hearts!

 

[BobRyan]

"The council of Jerusalem nixed the Sabbath command entirely!!???

As you note - some have applied "wishful thinking" to Acts 15 to suppose that even though Lev 19:18 (Love your neighbor) and Deut 6:5 (Love God) are not listed there - still those commands applied to NT saints - and yet the 4th Commandment was killed - even though James specifically appeals to the fact that "Moses is preached in the synagogues every Sabbath" as the solution to the problem.

How odd they go to that wild speculation.

But the good news is that not all will do that. For example the pro-Sunday sources listed below do not take such a wild leap of fiction with Acts 15.

Progmonk knows this to be true as well.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The topic is the Sabbath, not the Ten Commandments -

Until you notice that the 4th Commandment is one of the TEN Commandments as we see in Ex 20.

And until you notice that James 2 says that to break one of them - is to break all of them.

And until you notice that Eph 6:1-2 places them all in a single unit - in which the 5th commandment is the first one with a promise.

And until you notice that even the sunday sources in this list admit to the Sabbath in the TEN Commandments - that are still binding on the saints today.

=======
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson,
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others

From a functional level, the only person who doesn't seem to realize that the Sabbath is codified in the Ten Commandments is BobRyan.

I thought about listing the number of details in the post I made above that your response glossed over and failed to address while you were coming up with a true nonsequitur -- and later decided against it since I think that it is pretty much "obvious" to the unbiased objective readers.

I suspect that even you agree with me on that point.

It's a detail that defines the Adventist rendition .

Actually they are details that even the pro-Sunday sources listed "notice" and that you claim you do not notice. (As we all know by now) -- your attempt to spin all of those pro-sunday sources as "Adventist" simply because they refute your speculation on this point - is not as compelling as you may have at first imagined.

 

[mmksparbud]

There are many practical problems that are screamingly hilarious that there is no solution for. Right now, in Samoa, the Adventists worship and keep sacred SUNDAY, because some numb skull at the Church's founding couldn't comprehend the workings of the International Dateline. Read this article and try to imagine just how bizarre and ludicrous any attempt at Sabbath keeping actually is:
Adventist Today : Samoa, the International Dateline Shift, and the Seventh-day Sabbath
The Samoan Sabbath Dilemma Revisited - Seventh-day Sabbath Issues

No way out of it: Seventh Day Adventists on Samoa have the Mark of the Beast because they worship on the "Pope's Sabbath:" Sunday. They are all lost.

Ooops.

And then there are the ones that live in very high latitudes (Northern Scandinavia): during the winter, their "Sabbaths" are a few minutes long on Saturday since the Sun is always very low in the horizon and they sometimes only have a few minutes of "daylight" each day. Or alternatively, "Sabbath" turns out to be about four or five months long, with no break. During the summer, when there is almost no nighttime, they have the opposite problem. There really is no Sunset. That can go on for months. Wheeeeee! Summertime fun! No Sabbath for three months! Party on DUDE!
Jewish law in the polar regions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And for about the first 11 years of the cult, Seventh Day Adventist's "Sabbath" was kept from 6 pm on Friday until 6 pm on Saturday, until "new light" showed that was in error. Then they switched over to the Sundown-to-Sundown formula used today (oblivious to the devastating problem they just created for people in Northern Scandinavia!!!). So for 11 years, no Adventist properly kept the Sabbath, and all who died before the "new light" was shown were not saved. Pretty embarrassing when their own "Prophet" (who they revere) was found to be in such horrific error. The salvation of thousands of people who died during those 11 years were lost because they did not keep Sabbath from sundown to sundown, as their "inspired" "prophet" realized...... only too late. So sad!
The Reckoning of the Sabbath Today
From Even to Even Shall Ye Celebrate Your Sabbath

Oops!

And now here's the REAL clincher: Are Adventists keeping the REAL seventh day? Has anyone traced our present "Saturday's" day back to Exodus? No? Then who knows whether they are keeping the "Seventh Day" as commanded to the Israelites? Adventists could be keeping an "Exodus" Thursday or Friday or Monday. They might even be branded with the Mark of the Beast and worshiping on an "Exodus" "Sunday" without even realizing it. Nobody knows. Somebody better figure this out, otherwise everyone in the SDA Church could be consigned to Hell. They could all be keeping the "Pope's Sabbath" and not even know it.

Oops!

And then there are leap years. Is just one day of the leap year a "Sabbath" or ALL of them, since theoretically, a Leap Year is "making up" for lost "lunations" accrued over seven years. The Jews would fix this problem by having an 8 or 9 or 10 day "week" the fourth week every month, and then commemorating an entire year-long "Sabbath" every seventh years. They would commemorate every day that year as a Sabbath.

Are Adventists saved if they follow these examples set by Judaism? What if they don't?

Ooops!

Plainly, the Sabbath was made for a relatively small and discreet ethnic group that lived in the balmy Mediterranean area where the days and night are roughly equal year around. Or where the entire nation keeps the same day, like modern day Israel. That's why the preamble to the Ten Commandments make it clear the law is for only the rescued Israelite slaves from Egypt, to set them apart from all other nations. The Sabbath served PRECISELY the same function as circumcision, a visible sign of their covenant.

Christianity's covenants are different: The Eucharist, baptism, indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It became obvious that if the New Covenant was meant for the whole world, then the Mosaic Law had to go. The Roman Calender at that time had 8 day weeks. Judaism at the time of the Second Temple calculated the Sabbath based on the position of moon each month. Nobody knows whether they were actually using a 7-day week system, a 9-day week system, or what. It could vary "week to week." They may have had reoccurring 9 day weeks, where only intermittently would "Sabbath" be on "Saturday." Until Adventists can synchronize their Sabbath "days" back to Exodus, they are all lost. Hell awaits anyone who THINKS they are keeping a "Saturday" "Sabbath," but turns out was actually a Thursday all along. Or Sunday. Oh my.
Seven-day week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ooops!

And so any absurd attempt by Christians to continue Sabbath-keeping - especially in light of the Roman Empire's 8-day week, and the possibility that some of the Jewish "weeks" may have been 9 or 10 days in length - was rejected at the Council of Jerusalem, once and for all, removing all remaining lingering doubt.

OH MY!!--Wonder what the Pope did about it--seeing as their catechism says it is a grave sin to not worship the sabbath on Sunday. And all those other faiths who worship on sunday, as that means they didn't know what they were doing then either and all of them must be burning in eternal hellfire. And poor Billy Graham when he said go to church this sunday--if anyone was listening to him on the radio or TV they'd be scratching their heads also. Don't forget to let the 7th Day Baptists and all the Jews everywhere know also. If anyone's interested, you might want to look up Maniilaq the Eskimo Prophet, Also YOUTube had a vedeo called Maniilaq the Eskimo prophet, don't know if it's still there. It'll give you a hint at what God does about such things, especially to a people who had no watches and no calenders. And it was long before any white man showed his face there.

 

[mmksparbud]

Maybe you should try the SDA board. Personally I think you're looking for converts opposed to fellowship.

I guess you didn't get the memo---we can only sow the seeds--only God does the rest. Man does not convert man--God converts man.
And maybe you'd better stop asking such silly questions aimed directly towards SDAs!! If you don't want an answer--don't ask the question!!