Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

[mmksparbud]

I think it would do you good to learn more about your church among other things such as the Bible.

Couldn't survive without it--read it daily--can't memorize like I used--Fibro messes with the brain. And though angry at God and not wanting Him in my life, I went through SDA schools--and we were taught all of what the other religions taught--And I've mentioned this before. We had to go directly to a priest, minister, bishop, whatever to get to what they believed. We never went directly to a member of that church for the simple reason that most people, not matter what faith, didn't always know what their church taught. We had to find out from the leadership. We'd take notes and then we'd come together and examine everything they taught, including their biblical scriptural reasons for that believe and we would then study the bible for our reasons for not believing that teaching. I don't know that that is still being done or not. When I was away from God, it wasn't because I didn't believe in Him or not believe in our church--I was simply too ticked off at both to want them in my life.
There have always been those who would get some idea in their head that didn't jive with what we taught. The ministers would talk to them, and explain from the bible our reason for our believes, and if they refused to see it, they usually left on their own, though if they became disruptive in church by trying to force the rest of the church to follow them, they were asked to leave. A couple garnered 1-2 followers who left with them. I did learn that every faith has them. And there are always the David Koresh's and Jimmy Jones in the world who's real interest is in getting their own following and being in control of his group. I saw a lot of stupid stuff. And have no doubt there will continue to be more of them. They never do end up with what they were looking for, as, sooner or later, someone in their group would want to take over and so on and so on. I'm 63, and I was born curious with the ever present "why"--drove my mother crazy with the "whys"--and I've not changed. Driving my husband crazy now when he
makes some pronouncement and my first reaction is "why?"--
Unfortuneately--I think--I do the same with God. I'm asking why He's leading me in some direction I don't want to go or not doing something I want--It's been a struggle to "let go and let God." And just trust Him to do the right thing for me without badgering Him with why's.

 

[from scratch]

Couldn't survive without it--read it daily--can't memorize like I used--Fibro messes with the brain. And though angry at God and not wanting Him in my life, I went through SDA schools--and we were taught all of what the other religions taught--And I've mentioned this before. We had to go directly to a priest, minister, bishop, whatever to get to what they believed. We never went directly to a member of that church for the simple reason that most people, not matter what faith, didn't always know what their church taught. We had to find out from the leadership. We'd take notes and then we'd come together and examine everything they taught, including their biblical scriptural reasons for that believe and we would then study the bible for our reasons for not believing that teaching. I don't know that that is still being done or not. When I was away from God, it wasn't because I didn't believe in Him or not believe in our church--I was simply too ticked off at both to want them in my life.
There have always been those who would get some idea in their head that didn't jive with what we taught. The ministers would talk to them, and explain from the bible our reason for our believes, and if they refused to see it, they usually left on their own, though if they became disruptive in church by trying to force the rest of the church to follow them, they were asked to leave. A couple garnered 1-2 followers who left with them. I did learn that every faith has them. And there are always the David Koresh's and Jimmy Jones in the world who's real interest is in getting their own following and being in control of his group. I saw a lot of stupid stuff. And have no doubt there will continue to be more of them. They never do end up with what they were looking for, as, sooner or later, someone in their group would want to take over and so on and so on. I'm 63, and I was born curious with the ever present "why"--drove my mother crazy with the "whys"--and I've not changed. Driving my husband crazy now when he
makes some pronouncement and my first reaction is "why?"--
Unfortuneately--I think--I do the same with God. I'm asking why He's leading me in some direction I don't want to go or not doing something I want--It's been a struggle to "let go and let God." And just trust Him to do the right thing for me without badgering Him with why's.

If I only studied what was presented asking no questions, I'd come to your conclusion.

 

[BobRyan]

The topic is the Sabbath, not the Ten Commandments -

Until you notice that the 4th Commandment is one of the TEN Commandments as we see in Ex 20.

And until you notice that James 2 says that to break one of them - is to break all of them.

And until you notice that Eph 6:1-2 places them all in a single unit - in which the 5th commandment is the first one with a promise.

And until you notice that even the sunday sources in this list admit to the Sabbath in the TEN Commandments - that are still binding on the saints today.

=======
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson,
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others

Until you read in Romans 14:5 - "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day

That was a reference to the Lev 23 list of holy days - and the statement that one observes one above the others while another observes them all - is not too surprising.

I don't see how that causes us to dismiss the fact that the 4th commandment is one of the TEN Commandments.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

I don't see how that causes us to dismiss the fact that the 4th commandment is one of the TEN Commandments.

From a functional level, the only person who doesn't seem to realize that the Sabbath is codified in the Ten Commandments is BobRyan.

 

[BobRyan]

The topic is the Sabbath, not the Ten Commandments -

Until you notice that the 4th Commandment is one of the TEN Commandments as we see in Ex 20.

And until you notice that James 2 says that to break one of them - is to break all of them.

And until you notice that Eph 6:1-2 places them all in a single unit - in which the 5th commandment is the first one with a promise.

And until you notice that even the sunday sources in this list admit to the Sabbath in the TEN Commandments - that are still binding on the saints today.

=======
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson,
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others

As pointed out before, this is the oral giving of the covenant,

In Ex 20 we have God himself thundering the TEN Commandments from Sinai - speaking them verbally. Not to be ignored on a whim as it turns out.

And how nice that even the pro-Sunday sources listed - get this point.

, since you don't keep the Sabbath Holy,

You can't mix fiction in with the discussion and be taken seriously.

I asked your teammate how you disregard what God Spoke in one place,[/quqote]

Even the pro-Sunday sources listed above admit that the law of God is divided into Ceremonial, Moral and Civil laws - and that only the moral law is still binding because we are no longer under a Theocracy and because the sacrifices have ended.

Again this is a point handed to you dozens of times - and you simply circle back to a failed line of questions as if the answer was never posted in this regard.

Why not respond to the answer with some further point instead of circling back to the start all over again - just to see the same answer to the same question "again"??

You need to move your position forward. Circling back to the start is not the way to do it.

Pretending that Sabbath keeping SDAs are the only one that notice this division in the Law of God - does not hold up to actual historic fact as noted above.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

That is one way to spin it - if you are not willing to look at the actual answer in the post above.

All have free will and you can spin it as you wish.

I prefer the actual Bible.

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


[FONT=&quot] Mark 7
[/FONT]6 And He said to them, ""Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: " THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
7 " BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'
8 ""Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.''
9 He was also saying to them, ""You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
10 ""For Moses said, " HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER'; and, " HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH';

11 but you say, "If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),'
12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother;
13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.

in Christ,

Bob

If a jot or tittle hasn't passed from the law, God (Jesus) is a sinner and can't be the Messiah. See Heb 7:12 which would be a violation of the law.

 

[BobRyan]

If a jot or tittle hasn't passed from the law, God (Jesus) is a sinner and can't be the Messiah. .

"If He were on Earth he would not be a priest at all" Hebrews 8.

I think we both knew that answer all along.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Until you notice that the 4th Commandment is one of the TEN Commandments as we see in Ex 20.

And until you notice that James 2 says that to break one of them - is to break all of them.

And until you notice that Eph 6:1-2 places them all in a single unit - in which the 5th commandment is the first one with a promise.

And until you notice that even the sunday sources in this list admit to the Sabbath in the TEN Commandments - that are still binding on the saints today.

=======
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson,
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others

in Christ,

Bob

How many verses are there pertaining to the Sabbath in Ex 20? Do you follow all of it or just the part you like?

 

[VictorC]

How many verses are there pertaining to the Sabbath in Gen 20? Do you follow all of it or just the part you like?

Genesis 20? None. Your fingers are moving faster than your thoughts...

 

[from scratch]

Until you extend your quote just one verse further: "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." According to Adventist soteriology, no one is greatest in heaven, for no one has earned the entrance fee.
That is hardly a solution.
But that is the soteriology under the old covenant that Ellen White showed as necessary.

Isn't Bob drawing his righteousness from the same source as the scribes and Pharisees? If so how can his righteousness exceed theirs?

 

[VictorC]

Isn't Bob drawing his righteousness from the same source as the scribes and Pharisees? If so how can his righteousness exceed theirs?

I aready posted on this very verse a long time ago. This soteriolgy of works is what the covenant from Mount Sinai required, and God concluded all of the recipients to that covenant 'disobedient'. The scribes and Pharisees were the subculture of the recipients who complied with the Law better than anyone else, and Jesus identified their works to be a failure. The first covenant was a failure because the recipients broke it, as Hebrews 8:7 and following verses explain.

 

[VictorC]

I've been dreading April 8. I may just have to get a new PC that has the Windows 8--and then I'll save this one for just my sewing stuff...

Tonight I am running Lubuntu 13.10 LXDE 64-bit Linux distro on a Core2Duo E6750 with 2GB of memory, with both Audacious playing music and FireFox browsing the forum. It works great! And it is free.

 

[mmksparbud]

Get on the internet. Google "Desmond Ford" "Walter Rhea" "Dale Ratzlaff" and "Raymond Contrell," all ex-SDAs that support what I have been saying. NONE of them are saying what you claim. You obviously are WAY behind the curve. Because of the internet, the SDA church is losing 300,000 people a year, as they find out about the truth of their church and its history and what the Bible says.\
http://www.goodnewsunlimited.org/bioford.cfm
http://www.exadventist.com/home/arti...2/default.aspx
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw17.htm
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/1844rc.htm

All right just to put this beast away--here is where Desmond Ford was first brought up and it was by LarryP2--OK??!!
Like I said I didn't bring him up, and in mt posts I often do not quote anybody's particular post--saves time and I'm used to it and my posts can be just to whoever is reading--But since you, as usual had to twist things around and say that It was me who brought him up--I seasrched this post out.

 

[mmksparbud]

If I only studied what was presented asking no questions, I'd come to your conclusion.

Good grief--further evidence that you don't read--I mentioned several times that I was born curious and that throughtout my life I've driven everyone I know crazy with my one never ending and persistent question "Why??" and you write that!!!
You also didn't read that I said we had to go to the leadership of each faith and ask them why they believed what they did, complete with their biblical basis????---Somebody give me an aspirin--I've got a headache!!!!

 

[VictorC]

Get on the internet. Google "Desmond Ford" "Walter Rhea" "Dale Ratzlaff" and "Raymond Contrell," all ex-SDAs that support what I have been saying. NONE of them are saying what you claim. You obviously are WAY behind the curve. Because of the internet, the SDA church is losing 300,000 people a year, as they find out about the truth of their church and its history and what the Bible says.\
http://www.goodnewsunlimited.org/bioford.cfm
http://www.exadventist.com/home/arti...2/default.aspx
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw17.htm
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/1844rc.htm

All right just to put this beast away--here is where Desmond Ford was first brought up and it was by LarryP2--OK??!!
Like I said I didn't bring him up, and in mt posts I often to do quote anybody's particular post--saves time and I'm used to it and my posts can be just to whoever is reading--But since you, as usual had to twist things around and say that It was me who brought him up--I seasrched this post out.

"You" is a pronoun that doesn't refer to anyone in particular. This is where you mislead others by not quoting them and responding to the content of their post. This has been your consistent pattern, in which you never answer anything presented to you.

And, had you check on the facts that LarryP2 introduced, you would have discovered that Dr. Raymond Cottrell wasn't a 'former' Adventist - he remained an Adventist and was an editor of volume 4 of the SDA Bible Commentary. He is one of many who found that SDA Fundamental Belief #24 is erroneous and can't be reconciled with Scripture. Desmond Ford preferred to remain an Adventist, but was ejected against his will by the results of the Glacier View meeting.

 

[mmksparbud]

Tonight I am running Lubuntu 13.10 LXDE 64-bit Linux distro on a Core2Duo E6750 with 2GB of memory, with both Audacious playing music and FireFox browsing the forum. It works great! And it is free.

Thank you very much---and If I could understand a word of it, I would be even more grateful!! I do know that I have a 32 bit--or 34 or some such thing. And that is the full extent of my computer knowledge!! I have a Fujitsu Laptop--17 in screen.I Don't know what brand, or even if I have to buy a new PC. I had my Bernina sewing machine retailer talk to the salesman at Frys when I was making my PC purchase so it would be compatible with my sewing machine needs. Having a laptop, and a screen big enough so I can see without squinting were my main requirements (along with what my sewing machine needed). I'm too old for all this new fancy stuff--I don't even know what an App is!!--

 

[mmksparbud]

"You" is a pronoun that doesn't refer to anyone in particular. This is where you mislead others by not quoting them and responding to the content of their post. This has been your consistent pattern, in which you never answer anything presented to you.

And, had you check on the facts that LarryP2 introduced, you would have discovered that Dr. Raymond Cottrell wasn't a 'former' Adventist - he remained an Adventist and was an editor of volume 4 of the SDA Bible Commentary. He is one of many who found that SDA Fundamental Belief #24 is erroneous and can't be reconciled with Scripture. Desmond Ford preferred to remain an Adventist, but was ejected against his will by the results of the Glacier View meeting.

I do answer what is presented to me!! It's just that nobody likes what we say and say it is not answering when it is! You say the topic (And by you, I mean you Vic!)--is the Sabbath not the 10 commandments---The sabbath is part of the 10 commandments!! The only one that starts with "Remember"--which everyone wants to forget!!

 

[VictorC]

I do answer what is presented to me!! It's just that nobody likes what we say and say it is not answering when it is! You say the topic (And by you, I mean you Vic!)--is the Sabbath not the 10 commandments---The sabbath is part of the 10 commandments!! The only one that starts with "Remember"--which everyone wants to forget!!

Here's the paragraph from my post that you're referring to:

The topic is the Sabbath, not the Ten Commandments - and you seem unable to focus on a given topic long enough to address it. You may as well remove any reference to keeping the Sabbath HOLY from your rendition of unholy Sabbatarianism, as it doesn't exist. The covenant from Mount Sinai demands burnt offerings with the same authority you appeal to to attend church and abstain from cooking on Saturday. Yes, the Ten Commandments demand animal sacrifices, as do the daily oblations ordained at Mount Sinai. You're still bound to these burnt offerings and a requisite Levitical priesthood as long as you remain in the old covenant.

Your partial quote directly from the covenant from Mount Sinai -Exodus 20:8- fixates on the verb 'remember', but glosses over the adjective 'HOLY'. While suggesting others have forgotten the verb involved in the old covenant God delivered us from, you forgot all about that adjective, and its call for Holiness according to the Law that details restrictions on fire, holy convocations, and burnt offerings performed by a Levitical priesthood you don't even have access to. Offerings our High Priest mediating the NEW covenant isn't even authorized to perform.

My mention of the topic was to direct your attention back to the Sabbath you willfully chose to forget all about. I already pointed out that each time you draw attention to Exodus 20 you're referencing the ORAL giving of the covenant from Mount Sinai - and yet you can't reconcile why one should accept what God commanded in one place and ignore His commandment within the same covenant's tenure elsewhere. It comes down to a rejection of the Sabbath - and if you aren't complant with the Sabbath, you sure aren't compliant with the Ten Commandments. After all, it is you who is reminding us of the old covenant by a one-word quote from Exodus 20:8.

Judaism and unholy modifications thereof are a soteriological failure. I don't know why Adventism is drawn to abject failure, but that isn't my problem. Christianity is far superior, along with God's "My rest" the Sabbath didn't provide.

 

[VictorC]

Tonight I am running Lubuntu 13.10 LXDE 64-bit Linux distro on a Core2Duo E6750 with 2GB of memory, with both Audacious playing music and FireFox browsing the forum. It works great! And it is free.

Thank you very much---and If I could understand a word of it, I would be even more grateful!! I do know that I have a 32 bit--or 34 or some such thing. And that is the full extent of my computer knowledge!! I have a Fujitsu Laptop--17 in screen.I Don't know what brand, or even if I have to buy a new PC. I had my Bernina sewing machine retailer talk to the salesman at Frys when I was making my PC purchase so it would be compatible with my sewing machine needs. Having a laptop, and a screen big enough so I can see without squinting were my main requirements (along with what my sewing machine needed). I'm too old for all this new fancy stuff--I don't even know what an App is!!--

But you think you're ready to invest hundreds of dollars to migrate to Windows 8, and conquer the new metro-menu that has polarized more potential customers than anything else Microsoft has ever conjured? I don't think so.

 

[BobRyan]

Until you notice that the 4th Commandment is one of the TEN Commandments as we see in Ex 20.

And until you notice that James 2 says that to break one of them - is to break all of them.

And until you notice that Eph 6:1-2 places them all in a single unit - in which the 5th commandment is the first one with a promise.

And until you notice that even the sunday sources in this list admit to the Sabbath in the TEN Commandments - that are still binding on the saints today.

=======
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson,
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others
[/quote]

nonsequitur follows

How many verses are there pertaining to the Sabbath in Gen 20? Do you follow all of it or just the part you like?

What do you find in Genesis 20 opposing God's Ten Commandments of Ex 20?

in Christ,

Bob