Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

[BobRyan]

It appears to me you've just admitted that jots and tittles of the law have changed. So much for your Mat 5:17-18 .

As it turns out - I did not write Matt 5:17 your argument is "with the text".

This is a problem that the following list of Sunday Sources are careful to avoid.

 

[from scratch]

I'm sure there's a reason you don't understand posts presented to you - but as I mentioned, your motive is immaterial to me. You can't bring yourself to say "no".

Maybe something to do with pride.

 

[BobRyan]

So then point 6 "again"

6/The one point where I differ with them is that the Sabbath Commandment can be "bent" to point away from the 7th day as God gave it.

Those at war with God's Ten Commandments today will typically object to ALL SIX points listed above - claiming that the Commandments are either downsized or deleted for today.

I see you didn't use the part of Bugkiller's quote by the Baptist you quoted. Why don't you want to play fair?

I did in fact use the quote of D.L. Moody from your reference to BugKiller - read my post again. It is there.

Then show me any point you or bugkiller made that addresses one of the 6 claims I have been making from the Sunday Sources -- dozens of times by now.

Even one??

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

When I reference the Sunday Sources I have refer to these 6 key points.

The "Sunday Sources" are well known Sunday promoting Christian documents, Bible teachers, pastors, confession of Faith that admit to key Bible details that some people remain at war against when it comes to God's own TEN Commandments.

In fact I do. I agree with them on these details
1. Sabbath began in Eden not Sinai.
2. Sabbath as given by God was the 7th day - and began in Eden.
3. Sabbath binding on all saints from Eden to this very day.
4. ALL TEN Commandments - the moral Law of God under the NEW Covenant.
5. All saints to honor and obey the TEN Commandments from Eden to this very day.

6/The one point where I differ with them is that the Sabbath Commandment can be "bent" to point away from the 7th day as God gave it.

Those at war with God's Ten Commandments today will typically object to ALL SIX points listed above - claiming that the Commandments are either downsized or deleted for today.

 

[from scratch]

Paul did not say that the Bible died - Paul said that the animal sacrifices end at the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ.

I thought we all saw that point. Where is your confusion??

in Christ,

Bob

I have no idea where you got this from. Yours is the only post I think saying the Bible died.

 

[from scratch]

Paul? You made this up from a vacuum. And once again, you didn't address the content presented to you. You didn't answer the questions that have been waiting for more than two weeks for you to answer.

You're not blue yet? Must not be holding your breath. I wouldn't either.

 

[VictorC]

the animal sacrifices point to the sacrifice of Christ. -- which answered your first question - already.

Uh, that doesn't entail the purpose of the burnt offerings, including "a regular burnt offering which was ordained at Mount Sinai for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the Lord".

The ceremonies given in animal sacrifices ended at the cross - which answered your second question - already.

You just waved bye-bye to the sabbath as a 'ceremony'.

The third question is just a re-statement of the second question.

i fail to see how this is confusing you - such that you keep circling back to the answered questions instead of commenting on the answers.

in Christ,

Bob

You have shown in multiple posts that you know next to nothing about the sabbath. The third question stands on its own, as you didn't acknowledge God's disposition of the 'first'.

 

[from scratch]

BugKiller never quotes the Baptist Confession of Faith or the Westminster Confession of Faith -- I do.

You keep bringing Bugkiller up as if he solved this problem for your view - but then never find that he quotes those documents -- so you post D.L. Moody "instead".

But even at that - you can't find a place where the 6 claims made about these Sunday Sources - are not proven true - true and more true - in the D.L. Moody quote you are resorting to - instead of the Baptist Confession of Faith.

How is that helping your point?

in Christ,

Bob

Bugkiller quoted from the same sites you referenced. It doesn't matter if Bugkiller quoted your quotes. Remember it was a debate of opposing ideas. Bugkiller showed your source material to be contradictory and thus invalid and unreliable as a source of truth. The real deal is you can't prove your point with the Bible whereas both others, Bugkiller and I can and have proven our point with the Bible.

 

[from scratch]

As it turns out - I did not write Matt 5:17 your argument is "with the text".

This is a problem that the following list of Sunday Sources are careful to avoid.

We all know you didn't write Matthew. My argument isn't with the text. You admitted jots and tittles have past from the law with your quote Heb 10 about the law. Mat 5 doesn't make allowances for part of the law. In saying jots and tittles it means the smallest part of the law which includes the required animal sacrifices.

 

[VictorC]

We all know you didn't write Matthew. My argument isn't with the text. You admitted jots and tittles have past from the law with your quote Heb 10 about the law. Mat 5 doesn't make allowances for part of the law. In saying jots and tittles it means the smallest part of the law which includes the required animal sacrifices.

"till all is fulfilled", the omission we see so many times in what Jesus said.

 

[from scratch]

I did in fact use the quote of D.L. Moody from your reference to BugKiller - read my post again. It is there.

Then show me any point you or bugkiller made that addresses one of the 6 claims I have been making from the Sunday Sources -- dozens of times by now.

Even one??

in Christ,

Bob

Seeing you were harping on Baptist, I find it very interesting you didn't quote the Baptist part of the post. Care to explain this?

 

[from scratch]

When I reference the Sunday Sources I have refer to these 6 key points.

The "Sunday Sources" are well known Sunday promoting Christian documents, Bible teachers, pastors, confession of Faith that admit to key Bible details that some people remain at war against when it comes to God's own TEN Commandments.

In fact I do. I agree with them on these details
1. Sabbath began in Eden not Sinai.
2. Sabbath as given by God was the 7th day - and began in Eden.
3. Sabbath binding on all saints from Eden to this very day.
4. ALL TEN Commandments - the moral Law of God under the NEW Covenant.
5. All saints to honor and obey the TEN Commandments from Eden to this very day.

6/The one point where I differ with them is that the Sabbath Commandment can be "bent" to point away from the 7th day as God gave it.

Those at war with God's Ten Commandments today will typically object to ALL SIX points listed above - claiming that the Commandments are either downsized or deleted for today.

I sure missed the reference to Eden and the Sabbath if you're referring to some post such as 223.

 

[from scratch]

"till all is fulfilled", the omission we see so many times in what Jesus said.

Which Jesus explained with the omitted detail until after the resurrection in LK 24:44.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Acts the Christians met at sunday.

ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA: Sunday, first day of the week; in Christianity, the Lord's Day, the weekly memorial of Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead. The practice of Christians gathering together for worship on Sunday dates back to apostolic times, but details of the actual development of the custom are not clear. Before the end of the 1st Century AD, the author of Revelation gave the first day its name of the "Lord's Day" (Rev. 1:10). Saint Justin Martyr (c. 100-c. 165), philosopher and defender of the Christian faith, in his writings described the Christians gathered together for worship on the Lord's Day: the gospels or the Old Testament was read, the presiding minister preached a sermon, and the group prayed together and celebrated the Lord's Supper. The emperor Constantine (d. 337), a convert to Christianity, introduced the first civil legislation concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on Sunday, except that farmers could work if necessary. This law, aimed at providing time for worship, was followed later in the same century and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions on Sunday activities. (15th edition, vol. 11, pg. 392)

ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA: From the apostolic era to the present it has been customary for Christians to assemble for communal Sunday services... Civil laws requiring the observance of Sunday date back at least to Emperor Constantine the Great, who designated Sunday as a legal day of rest and worship in 321. This law, however was not specifically Christian, since Sunday was the day of the sun-god for pagans as well as the Lord's day for Christians. While Constantine thus managed to please the two major religious groups in the Roman empire, numerous later law regulating behavior on Sunday have been avowedly Christian. (Sunday, 1988, pg. 21)

 

[SayaOtonashi]

The Pope didn't exist until 606AD and the word Catholics were not used until 107Ad. So in other words to say the Catholic church Sunday is a bit silly

 

[mmksparbud]

You're describing malware that is usually profile-dependent in Microsoft Windows. Chances are you could have logged onto your Administrator account and the computer would have performed perfectly. From there you could have deleted the 'infected' user account and re-create a clean profile and start over from scratch. You also need to keep up on those hundreds of updates Microsoft keeps publishing to address their problems (I just loaded a new computer with Windows7 Pro 64-bit SP1, and it needed almost 800MB of updates installed).

It is possible that your computer is setup to automatically log onto a single account. That is the worst thing you can do in a Windows environment. If you're going to use a single account on a computer, Microsoft Windows is not your best choice of OS. If you don't need to use the Office suite, one of the various Linux distributions may be a better choice - they are free, and are inherently immune to the type of malware your post describes. My preference leans to the openSUSE distribution, having tried Ubuntu, Fedora, and Mageia as well. Do yourself a favor and resurrect the nearest old Core2Duo and put it to use with a new OS for free.

I come back with great tripidation as I seem to recall I was answering to I had a new private message from here--I was reading the reprimand for my loss of temper--on this post I believe--when that virus from hell hit.


I thank you very much for your answer and I wish I understood what you're saying, but I have no idea!! And I'm going to get creamed for changing the subject! The one thing I recognized in your post is the 64 bit--I have a 34 bit--and I don't even understsand what that means!!--I also had not been able to get any updates and I went through Microsoft for help and nothing they did let me get those updates---and I still can't!! I have a windows XP with windows 8--not the windows 8 that you pay a hefty price for, but windows 8 upgrade from the windows 7--if that makes sense. I simply have no wish to end up with another of those viruses. I took my laptop to Frys, where I had bought it and they could not get rid of it and had to wipe out everything--I lost all those pictures that were dear to me and am trying to get my friends to resend them to me.
If these people would spend as much energy and brain power to leading a productive life as they do on trying to get everybody elses money and messing up their computers, they could be very highly productive people!! It's such a shame to use all that brain power for evil!!

 

[VictorC]

I come back with great tripidation as I seem to recall I was answering to I had a new private message from here--I was reading the reprimand for my loss of temper--on this post I believe--when that virus from hell hit.


I thank you very much for your answer and I wish I understood what you're saying, but I have no idea!! And I'm going to get creamed for changing the subject! The one thing I recognized in your post is the 64 bit--I have a 34 bit--and I don't even understsand what that means!!--I also had not been able to get any updates and I went through Microsoft for help and nothing they did let me get those updates---and I still can't!! I have a windows XP with windows 8--not the windows 8 that you pay a hefty price for, but windows 8 upgrade from the windows 7--if that makes sense. I simply have no wish to end up with another of those viruses. I took my laptop to Frys, where I had bought it and they could not get rid of it and had to wipe out everything--I lost all those pictures that were dear to me and am trying to get my friends to resend them to me.
If these people would spend as much energy and brain power to leading a productive life as they do on trying to get everybody elses money and messing up their computers, they could be very highly productive people!! It's such a shame to use all that brain power for evil!!

I have seen this before.

• Re-boot your computer, and while the computer is in POST (power on self test) invoke the BIOS setup by pressing F2, F10, or DELETE on your keyboard (depends on whose BIOS it is).
• Look around for the advanced processor options until you find the option for 'Execute Disable Bit'. Turn this feature OFF.
• Save changes in BIOS and restart the computer into Windows.
• In Windows, go to the Control Panel, and invoke Automatic Updates. Turn this feature ON.

Leave the computer running for a few hours until it downloads and installs some of the updates on its own. The manual update method won't work until it gets some critical updates, but after it does the manual method will work.
You have until April 8 2014 to have all the updates installed. After this date your patched Windows XP will have no more support from Microsoft.

It sounds as if you set up your computer to launch a single user profile. Don't blame the staff at Frye's for blowing away the whole OS, because in your situation that is really the only option they had. If you have some crummy desktop computer on your network, save everything precious on both computers in the future for redundancy.

 

[from scratch]

I come back with great tripidation as I seem to recall I was answering to I had a new private message from here--I was reading the reprimand for my loss of temper--on this post I believe--when that virus from hell hit.


I thank you very much for your answer and I wish I understood what you're saying, but I have no idea!! And I'm going to get creamed for changing the subject! The one thing I recognized in your post is the 64 bit--I have a 34 bit--and I don't even understsand what that means!!--I also had not been able to get any updates and I went through Microsoft for help and nothing they did let me get those updates---and I still can't!! I have a windows XP with windows 8--not the windows 8 that you pay a hefty price for, but windows 8 upgrade from the windows 7--if that makes sense. I simply have no wish to end up with another of those viruses. I took my laptop to Frys, where I had bought it and they could not get rid of it and had to wipe out everything--I lost all those pictures that were dear to me and am trying to get my friends to resend them to me.
If these people would spend as much energy and brain power to leading a productive life as they do on trying to get everybody elses money and messing up their computers, they could be very highly productive people!! It's such a shame to use all that brain power for evil!!

I'm going to hate it when I have to buy a new puter. I'm on the last version prior to windows 8. It makes the economy work.

 

[from scratch]

I have seen this before.

• Re-boot your computer, and while the computer is in POST (power on self test) invoke the BIOS setup by pressing F2, F10, or DELETE on your keyboard (depends on whose BIOS it is).
• Look around for the advanced processor options until you find the option for 'Execute Disable Bit'. Turn this feature OFF.
• Save changes in BIOS and restart the computer into Windows.
• In Windows, go to the Control Panel, and invoke Automatic Updates. Turn this feature ON.

Leave the computer running for a few hours until it downloads and installs some of the updates on its own. The manual update method won't work until it gets some critical updates, but after it does the manual method will work.
You have until April 8 2014 to have all the updates installed. After this date your patched Windows XP will have no more support from Microsoft.

It sounds as if you set up your computer to launch a single user profile. Don't blame the staff at Frye's for blowing away the whole OS, because in your situation that is really the only option they had. If you have some crummy desktop computer on your network, save everything precious on both computers in the future for redundancy.

Great advice. Thanks for reminding me when I'll need to get a new puter.

 

[mmksparbud]

I have seen this before.

• Re-boot your computer, and while the computer is in POST (power on self test) invoke the BIOS setup by pressing F2, F10, or DELETE on your keyboard (depends on whose BIOS it is).
• Look around for the advanced processor options until you find the option for 'Execute Disable Bit'. Turn this feature OFF.
• Save changes in BIOS and restart the computer into Windows.
• In Windows, go to the Control Panel, and invoke Automatic Updates. Turn this feature ON.

Leave the computer running for a few hours until it downloads and installs some of the updates on its own. The manual update method won't work until it gets some critical updates, but after it does the manual method will work.
You have until April 8 2014 to have all the updates installed. After this date your patched Windows XP will have no more support from Microsoft.

It sounds as if you set up your computer to launch a single user profile. Don't blame the staff at Frye's for blowing away the whole OS, because in your situation that is really the only option they had. If you have some crummy desktop computer on your network, save everything precious on both computers in the future for redundancy.

Oh, wow!! Thank you!--And I dont blame Frys--they tried very hard and where very surpised when they couldn't remove it--they asked me before they gave my poor puter the enema! Later tonight I'll try to get my printer reset up so I can print this out--if I'm allowqed to print out from a post.
I've been dreading April 8. I may just have to get a new PC that has the Windows 8--and then I'll save this one for just my sewing stuff--All my embroidery and pattern making stuff--This world is getting much too complicated for this old lady--only those with young brains can fill them up with all this new stuff!!--Anybody here even remember that new fangled thing they called a slide rule??---Maybe I should just wait until they figure out how to implant one of these PC's into you,about the size of a dime, complete with step by step instructions,that you can control with just your thoughts-- that should be right around the corner now.


SORRY TO HAVE INTERRUPTED THE TOPIC!! And I'm still nervous when I come on here, now!