How can unregenerate people worship God?

[Hammster]

Why does that matter? You wre asked for a definition, and this response is just more equivocation.

Actually, I asked for one.

 

[stan1953]

So NOW you are equating gifts of God to a blow to the head?
Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by storm, not that WE suffer violence.

Are you familiar with the term "from the sublime to the ridiculous"?

BTW, how God operates is NOT dictated by a dictionary, it is DEPICTED in His Word.

 

[FreeGrace2]

So nothing about the giver? Just the receiver?

Of course there would be the "giver". That's where gifts come from, naturally.

The giver willingly offers the gift and the receiver willingly receives (takes-lambano) the gift.

 

[Hammster]

So NOW you are equating gifts of God to a blow to the head?
Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by storm, not that WE suffer violence.

Are you familiar with the term "from the sublime to the ridiculous"?

The definition I gave was for "receive", not "gift".

 

[stan1953]

Nope. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why you all can't follow the argument.

That is an indictment that is NOT founded in any reality.

 

[stan1953]

The definition I gave was for "receive", not "gift".

You EQUIVOCATE.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Nope. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why you all can't follow the argument.

It's really difficult to try to cut through all the equivocation and all.

 

[Hammster]

BTW, how God operates is NOT dictated by a dictionary, it is DEPICTED in His Word.

I agree. I didn't being up rape and get you guys all worked up. I was just showing that receive doesn't need to mean willfully and happily accepting, which is the definition you all seem stuck on. And you've yet to prove that with scripture concerning gifts.

 

[OzSpen]

Maybe those of RT believe that "anything" received is a gift!

Even murder, theft and receiving a bad reputation?

 

[Hammster]

That is an indictment that is NOT founded in any reality.

I think the posts where you all think I'm equating rape with spiritual gifts is evidence enough.

 

[Hammster]

You EQUIVOCATE.

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

 

[Hammster]

It's really difficult to try to cut through all the equivocation and all.

Please give me the post where I've equivocated, and tell me how it is equivocation. Otherwise, it's just a baseless accusation.

 

[OzSpen]

In case you don't have a dictionary handy, here's one definition:

to suffer the injury of: He received a terrific blow on the forehead.

You want to become technical and academic when I asked about your compassion towards the person raped. This is what I stated. Have you forgotten so soon?

Do you lack knowledge and compassion about what rape is and what it does to women (especially) and also men?

Or is compassion for the raped not in your thinking?

 

[OzSpen]

In case you don't have a dictionary handy, here's one definition:

to suffer the injury of: He received a terrific blow on the forehead.

Don't you know the difference between a crime committed against a person by force and somebody 'receiving' something? There seems to be a BIG GAP in your understanding.

Oz

 

[Hammster]

You want to become technical and academic when I asked about your compassion towards the person raped. This is what I stated. Have you forgotten so soon?

Or is compassion for the raped not in your thinking?

Please, either get with subject or don't.

 

[Hammster]

Don't you know the difference between a crime committed against a person by force and somebody 'receiving' something? There seems to be a BIG GAP in your understanding.

Oz

There's a difference? Really? I though regeneration was exactly like rape. You know, how Geisler describes it. Are you saying I'm wrong?

smh

 

[stan1953]

It's really difficult to try to cut through all the equivocation and all.

Not really. If you don't start you have nothing to cut through. Biggest issue on any forum is how much equivocation comes up.

 

[stan1953]

There's a difference? Really? I though regeneration was exactly like rape. You know, how Geisler describes it. Are you saying I'm wrong?

and yet, you just said you were NOT equating the two.

 

[stan1953]

I agree. I didn't being up rape and get you guys all worked up. I was just showing that receive doesn't need to mean willfully and happily accepting, which is the definition you all seem stuck on. And you've yet to prove that with scripture concerning gifts.

Because WE are trying to stay WITHIN the context of the BIBLE but you keep equivocating about words, NOT what the Bible teaches.

BTW, I am completely familiar with what 'equivocating' means.

 

[stan1953]

Please give me the post where I've equivocated, and tell me how it is equivocation. Otherwise, it's just a baseless accusation.

Mark 5:9

Denial does NOT make it baseless.