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I get what you are saying. My personal decisions has been to move to a mainstream denomination where they are pretty laid back (at least here) but still preach Jesus. We live mostly in mainstream culture but we still have some kind of faith, anyway.

As an example, one of my closest friends recently told me he couldn't hang out with me anymore because "I wasn't living according to God's plan" or something along those lines. I'm not attending church, I'm not "under the authority of a pastor" and I'm dating someone even though my divorce won't be finalized until next month - even though my ex-wife and I agreed that we were okay with each other doing that if we met someone, and she started dating someone three months before me. According to him though, I'm essentially "living in sin" and being the "good bible-believing Christian" that he is, if he's going to obey what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 5:11 then he "can't even eat with me"... or at least that's the conclusion his overly-controlling mentor spits out.

This is dangerous and controlling *excrement* of course. I try to stay away from religious cultures of this type.
 
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I get what you are saying. My personal decisions has been to move to a mainstream denomination where they are pretty laid back (at least here) but still preach Jesus. We live mostly in mainstream culture but we still have some kind of faith, anyway.



This is dangerous and controlling *excrement* of course. I try to stay away from religious cultures of this type.

I've been considering checking out some of the mainline protestant churches. I'm just not really sure which direction I want to go. I visited the Episcopal church in my town, I wasn't too fond of this particular parish but it's the only one within at least an hour and a half of me.

My girlfriend isn't a Christian, but she occasionally goes to the PCUSA Presbyterian Church here in town. She just says whenever they say things about God she applies those positive thoughts to herself and her own life (which I think is cool - she doesn't mean she's worshiping herself, just that she harnesses the positive thoughts and energy for her own well-being so to speak). My parents have been going to that same church for over a year now and I know quite a few people there both on staff and just in the congregation... They're at least left-of-center because I know they affirm the LGBT community and what not. I just find myself extremely hesitant. I'm tired of the Christian jargon, the cookie-cutter lifestyles, the bible studies and music and all that stuff... :(
 
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I've been considering checking out some of the mainline protestant churches. I'm just not really sure which direction I want to go. I visited the Episcopal church in my town, I wasn't too fond of this particular parish but it's the only one within at least an hour and a half of me.

My girlfriend isn't a Christian, but she occasionally goes to the PCUSA Presbyterian Church here in town. She just says whenever they say things about God she applies those positive thoughts to herself and her own life (which I think is cool - she doesn't mean she's worshiping herself, just that she harnesses the positive thoughts and energy for her own well-being so to speak). My parents have been going to that same church for over a year now and I know quite a few people there both on staff and just in the congregation... They're at least left-of-center because I know they affirm the LGBT community and what not. I just find myself extremely hesitant. I'm tired of the Christian jargon, the cookie-cutter lifestyles, the bible studies and music and all that stuff... :(


You could always check it out and see if it clicks for you. You can control your level of involvement--if you can't, I would consider that a danger signal. I am kind of reserved by nature (which I suppose helps) and I never have anyone messing in my business to an unseemly degree, as long as I don't actually take a leadership position. FTR, I teach/help with kids Sunday School sometimes (all that Bible teaching in the evangelical church apparently makes me something of an expert in the mainline ^_^), but no one's ever even asked me what I believe or asked me to join, they are that desperate for help in Sunday School ^_^
 
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One thing I've never understood is why certain Christians feel the need to talk a certain way. It's like they have to spiritualize how they talk, or something. I don't really know how to describe it.
I was thinking about this cause when I was at church last night, the worship leader was doing this and I was sitting there thinking "what the heck are you saying?". It may have been the cold medicine I'm on, but this has happened before. The pastor or whomever is "Christian jargon, blah, blah, blah, etc" and everyone is all "yes" or "amen", and I'm just sitting there thinking "English please".
 
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One thing I've never understood is why certain Christians feel the need to talk a certain way. It's like they have to spiritualize how they talk, or something. I don't really know how to describe it.
I was thinking about this cause when I was at church last night, the worship leader was doing this and I was sitting there thinking "what the heck are you saying?". It may have been the cold medicine I'm on, but this has happened before. The pastor or whomever is "Christian jargon, blah, blah, blah, etc" and everyone is all "yes" or "amen", and I'm just sitting there thinking "English please".

I know exactly what you mean! I think a lot of people have noticed this too:

Every single word in this video makes me cringe:

Shoot Christians Say - YouTube

I think the language of Christianity is the most obvious, but I think it applies to everything. My sister and I were talking more last night about the nature of Christians relationships, and how an unmarried couple seems so conscientious about their decisions in relation to everyone else's opinion, but as soon as they're married then it's nobody else's business. I think it should be nobody's business from the get-go and couples should do what they want, when they want, where they want to do it and how they want to do it without concern for other people's opinions.

Yes, the church is a community and we're here to help each other. But I'm convinced that concept has been perverted to mean everybody has a right to stick their nose where it doesn't belong and dictate the terms of everyone else's lives around them, especially their personal lives.
 
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I bolted from conservative evangelism (AoG) to the mainline (TEC & ELCA, dual affiliation) because of a sense of alienation from its culture and politics, brought to a head by the 2012 primary season. In my new church, I'm totally fine with the culture.
 
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The Christianese does get really tiring after a while. Thankfully I never encountered all that much of it until I came to this site, which tends to make it all the more irritating - mostly because I know exactly what those phrases really insinuate, and the phrasing is the way it is to try and doll up what would otherwise be really obnoxious things to tell someone else. Actual theological terminology is one thing (and completely understandable), but this stuff is always thrown about by those with huge distaste for theology and scholarship, and it shows itself in the quality of the vocabulary.

But hey, if you dress it up with a bunch of holy-sounding [assorted parts of speech], then it's not obnoxious and thoroughly-human backbiting or hypercriticism anymore - it's divine obligation. Or out-and-out pride and boasting.
 
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At one point I made up a chart of common Christianese phrases and the most cynical, negative thing they could mean. I think someone cried when they read it.

Oh man I'd love to see that!
 
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Coming back to Christianity a bit I forgot how much I disliked Christian culture. However, I am trying to look past that and hang out with Christians who were already my friends because I liked them for other qualities. Most of my friends are Catholics and Lutherans and they seem like normal people; they're like me...chill, interested in different things, they're not all "white bread" and living in a bubble.

It's fun to have some religious people I can be vulgar around and talk nerdy stuff like video games. :D

At one point I made up a chart of common Christianese phrases and the most cynical, negative thing they could mean. I think someone cried when they read it.

I too, would like to see this. Christianese is the worst.
 
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Cogent I went to your profile yesterday to leave you a message but it seems I can't write a visitor message. I was just going to ask how you were going and bless you.

Hey Sayre, thanks! Yeah I disabled my visitor messages because of spam and I was getting a bit OCD, haha. I'm doing okay, lots of ups and downs but things have evened out a bit. Thanks for asking! Feel free to PM me any time!
 
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Ok, you guys. I had to edit it up a bit so I could post it here. Keep in mind that this is often the MOST NEGATIVE meaning that phrase could possibly have, and positive meanings do exist...most people are sincere when they say they'll pray for you and they do it because they care. On the other hand, others do it as disapproval signaling. Some of it is just plain jargon, though.

What they say - What they mean

telling the truth in love - being a jerk for Jesus

taking a stand for the truth - being a jerk for Jesus

truth - minor point in the Bible about which I have decided to be an jerk

love the sinner, hate the sin - hate the sinner

internationals - foreigners

secular humanism - lies of the devil

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve - I'm a homophobic bigot

I have an unspoken prayer request - I'm being mysterious and it's driving you crazy, isn't it?

It's not my opinion, it's God's opinion - I think I am God

Father God, I just, just want to - someone made me pray so I'm putting in this filler while I think of what to say

I’ll pray for you - you're wrongheaded and hellbound

whenever God closes a door he opens a window - I got the outcome I didn't pray for

God answers prayer! - I got a parking space near the door!

It’s not a religion, it’s a relationship - I like my religion

works-based salvation - Roman Catholic

legalistic - following stricter rules than I do

purity - the virginity of women

stewardship - giving money to the church

convicted - convinced

burden - concern

complementarian - sexist

intelligent design - creationism

the Word of God - the Bible

twisting scripture - having a different interpretation of the Bible than I do

support - contributions

struggling with same-sex attraction - gay

ex-gay - gay or bisexual

what would Jesus do- I've never read _In His Steps_ or I'd know

on your knees - praying.

quiverfull - natalist

courtship - arranged marriage

the lost - non-Christians

believers - us

backsliding - sinning

godly - smugly self-righteous

personal relationship with Jesus Christ - Christianity

vain repetition - other people's prayers

fire insurance -pro forma conversion to Christianity only out of fear of hell

fall festival - Halloween party without anything scary

Proverbs 31 woman - woman that fits current Christian cultural ideals

Titus 2 woman - housewife

cafeteria Catholic - a Catholic who follows different rules of the church than I do

Satanic attack - bad luck or a bad mood

Mark of the Beast - any suspicious technology

Antichrist - religious or political figure I don't like

pro-life - crimninalization of abortion

end times prophecy - apocalyptic science fiction

fellowship - socialize

Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven - I'm a jerk for Jesus​
 
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Ok, you guys. I had to edit it up a bit so I could post it here. Keep in mind that this is often the MOST NEGATIVE meaning that phrase could possibly have, and positive meanings do exist...most people are sincere when they say they'll pray for you and they do it because they care. On the other hand, others do it as disapproval signaling. Some of it is just plain jargon, though.

What they say - What they mean
telling the truth in love - being a jerk for Jesus

taking a stand for the truth - being a jerk for Jesus

truth - minor point in the Bible about which I have decided to be an jerk

love the sinner, hate the sin - hate the sinner

internationals - foreigners

secular humanism - lies of the devil

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve - I'm a homophobic bigot

I have an unspoken prayer request - I'm being mysterious and it's driving you crazy, isn't it?

It's not my opinion, it's God's opinion - I think I am God

Father God, I just, just want to - someone made me pray so I'm putting in this filler while I think of what to say

I’ll pray for you - you're wrongheaded and hellbound

whenever God closes a door he opens a window - I got the outcome I didn't pray for

God answers prayer! - I got a parking space near the door!

It’s not a religion, it’s a relationship - I like my religion

works-based salvation - Roman Catholic

legalistic - following stricter rules than I do

purity - the virginity of women

stewardship - giving money to the church

convicted - convinced

burden - concern

complementarian - sexist

intelligent design - creationism

the Word of God - the Bible

twisting scripture - having a different interpretation of the Bible than I do

support - contributions

struggling with same-sex attraction - gay

ex-gay - gay or bisexual

what would Jesus do- I've never read _In His Steps_ or I'd know

on your knees - praying.

quiverfull - natalist

courtship - arranged marriage

the lost - non-Christians

believers - us

backsliding - sinning

godly - smugly self-righteous

personal relationship with Jesus Christ - Christianity

vain repetition - other people's prayers

fire insurance -pro forma conversion to Christianity only out of fear of hell

fall festival - Halloween party without anything scary

Proverbs 31 woman - woman that fits current Christian cultural ideals

Titus 2 woman - housewife

cafeteria Catholic - a Catholic who follows different rules of the church than I do

Satanic attack - bad luck or a bad mood

Mark of the Beast - any suspicious technology

Antichrist - religious or political figure I don't like

pro-life - crimninalization of abortion

end times prophecy - apocalyptic science fiction

fellowship - socialize

Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven - I'm a jerk for Jesus​

My God. That's the most brilliant thing I've ever read!

*Saving to a word processing document*
 
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Mark of the Beast - any suspicious technology
It doesn't even have to be suspicious (or even technology) a lot of times. Just having a widely-used form of currency* is enough, since for the ones making the claim, the reason for a currency's ubiquity has to be nefarious, and not simply a practical consequence of how markets work - ironically, due to the ideologies championed by those politicians that shamelessly pander to the demographics that go nuts on this topic. In other words, they caused the popularity that they now consider evil by voting these people into office in the first place. Not that they'd ever acknowledge it.

In the 90s we got the Amerocentist 'the Euro is the Mark and the EU is the Beast' nonsense, and a recent report about how the U.S. Dollar is a de facto standard currency* caused the senitment to rear up again with the target changed. Despite the primacy of the U.S. Dollar in world markets having been true for more than a couple decades, even during the 90s (when it was apparently supposed to be the Euro - does the Beast have two Marks?). It's opportunistic blindness, because the Dollar being in that position was more or less common knowledge for a long time, much longer than their eschatological timelines would allow for.

Or credit cards, UPC barcodes, the Internet, Facebook, Google, solar panels, compact fluorescent light bulbs, rainbows in your sprinkers, the face on Mars, the old logo for Procter & Gamble, or random patterns in your pet cat's fur.

end times prophecy - apocalyptic science fiction
Poorly written and unimaginative apocalyptic science fiction at that.




*It's like they'd read credible analysis that it most likely was referring to Roman currency with the visage of the Emperor on it (due to the whole 'the Emperor is a living god' thing), but went insane with the notion because Revelation couldn't possibly be social commentary disguised as apocalyptic literature to be able to get past Roman censors.
 
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Ok, you guys. I had to edit it up a bit so I could post it here. Keep in mind that this is often the MOST NEGATIVE meaning that phrase could possibly have, and positive meanings do exist...most people are sincere when they say they'll pray for you and they do it because they care. On the other hand, others do it as disapproval signaling. Some of it is just plain jargon, though.

So why don't you do the list in the most positive meaning???
 
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Qyöt27;65094263 said:
It doesn't even have to be suspicious (or even technology) a lot of times. Just having a widely-used form of currency* is enough, since for the ones making the claim, the reason for a currency's ubiquity has to be nefarious, and not simply a practical consequence of how markets work - ironically, due to the ideologies championed by those politicians that shamelessly pander to the demographics that go nuts on this topic. In other words, they caused the popularity that they now consider evil by voting these people into office in the first place. Not that they'd ever acknowledge it. In the 90s we got the Amerocentist 'the Euro is the Mark and the EU is the Beast' nonsense, and a recent report about how the U.S. Dollar is a de facto standard currency* caused the senitment to rear up again with the target changed. Despite the primacy of the U.S. Dollar in world markets having been true for more than a couple decades, even during the 90s (when it was apparently supposed to be the Euro - does the Beast have two Marks?). It's opportunistic blindness, because the Dollar being in that position was more or less common knowledge for a long time, much longer than their eschatological timelines would allow for. Or credit cards, UPC barcodes, the Internet, Facebook, Google, solar panels, compact fluorescent light bulbs, rainbows in your sprinkers, the face on Mars, the old logo for Procter & Gamble, or random patterns in your pet cat's fur. Poorly written and unimaginative apocalyptic science fiction at that. *It's like they'd read credible analysis that it most likely was referring to Roman currency with the visage of the Emperor on it (due to the whole 'the Emperor is a living god' thing), but went insane with the notion because Revelation couldn't possibly be social commentary disguised as apocalyptic literature to be able to get past Roman censors.

Isn't BitCoin the latest apocalyptic craze? There was a news report a few days ago about the biggest BitCoin exchange in (I think) Hong Kong going bust. I'm sure someone, somewhere is panicking.
 
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Ok, you guys. I had to edit it up a bit so I could post it here. Keep in mind that this is often the MOST NEGATIVE meaning that phrase could possibly have, and positive meanings do exist...most people are sincere when they say they'll pray for you and they do it because they care. On the other hand, others do it as disapproval signaling. Some of it is just plain jargon, though.

What they say - What they mean

telling the truth in love - being a jerk for Jesus

taking a stand for the truth - being a jerk for Jesus

truth - minor point in the Bible about which I have decided to be an jerk

love the sinner, hate the sin - hate the sinner

internationals - foreigners

secular humanism - lies of the devil

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve - I'm a homophobic bigot

I have an unspoken prayer request - I'm being mysterious and it's driving you crazy, isn't it?

It's not my opinion, it's God's opinion - I think I am God

Father God, I just, just want to - someone made me pray so I'm putting in this filler while I think of what to say

I’ll pray for you - you're wrongheaded and hellbound

whenever God closes a door he opens a window - I got the outcome I didn't pray for

God answers prayer! - I got a parking space near the door!

It’s not a religion, it’s a relationship - I like my religion

works-based salvation - Roman Catholic

legalistic - following stricter rules than I do

purity - the virginity of women

stewardship - giving money to the church

convicted - convinced

burden - concern

complementarian - sexist

intelligent design - creationism

the Word of God - the Bible

twisting scripture - having a different interpretation of the Bible than I do

support - contributions

struggling with same-sex attraction - gay

ex-gay - gay or bisexual

what would Jesus do- I've never read _In His Steps_ or I'd know

on your knees - praying.

quiverfull - natalist

courtship - arranged marriage

the lost - non-Christians

believers - us

backsliding - sinning

godly - smugly self-righteous

personal relationship with Jesus Christ - Christianity

vain repetition - other people's prayers

fire insurance -pro forma conversion to Christianity only out of fear of hell

fall festival - Halloween party without anything scary

Proverbs 31 woman - woman that fits current Christian cultural ideals

Titus 2 woman - housewife

cafeteria Catholic - a Catholic who follows different rules of the church than I do

Satanic attack - bad luck or a bad mood

Mark of the Beast - any suspicious technology

Antichrist - religious or political figure I don't like

pro-life - crimninalization of abortion

end times prophecy - apocalyptic science fiction

fellowship - socialize

Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven - I'm a jerk for Jesus​

THIS^^^ I LOVE THIS
 
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