What is the Baptist view on Speaking/Praying in Tongues?

[South Bound]

You have taught me something very valuable. Spending about an hour in preparing material to respond to your post was a waste of time, as demonstrated by this kind of response.

I don't understand what you had to "prep" for. If somebody asks me a question about my experiences, I can answer off the top of my head because I was there when it happened.

But you have to spend an hour of "prep"?

 

[OzSpen]

I don't understand what you had to "prep" for. If somebody asks me a question about my experiences, I can answer off the top of my head because I was there when it happened.

But you have to spend an hour of "prep"?

If you read my response carefully at #31, you would know that I carefully addressed your 3 questions. It was not a Johnny-come-lately response.

I believe in giving thoughtful biblical replies. I did that and I got that kind of response from you. I did not read your response to indicate that you wanted to know about 'my experiences' only. My experiences can be illegitimate unless they align with Scripture. I have a high view of Scripture. My experience with the gift of tongues in private devotions for prayer and praise is as 1 Corinthians states I should experience. Therefore, I needed to give a biblical base for what I wrote.

Yes, buddy, I spent about an hour preparing that response to you. You don't have a clue that I have 2 major disabilities. Writing on the Internet camouflages that.

Oz

 

[South Bound]

If you read my response carefully at #31, you would know that I carefully addressed your 3 questions.

No, you didn't. I asked you about you and, rather than answering, you responded with this long, drawn out answer about this verse and that verse.

I already know those verses and I know the argument. I was in both the charismatic and WoF movements. Been there and done it.

I was asking about you and your experience, not asking you to explain why you believe it.

I believe in giving thoughtful biblical replies.

So do I, when such a reply is warranted. But when somebody asks me a question about me and my personal experiences and preferences, then I answer them based on those things.

I did that and I got that kind of response from you.

Yes, buddy, I spent about an hour preparing that response to you. You don't have a clue that I have 2 major disabilities. Writing on the Internet camouflages that.

But you obviously didn't spend an hour preparing this response, as the time stamps on the two posts shows a 41 minute difference, minus the two or three minutes it took you to actually type it.

In other words, you did just fine without "preparation".

How were you able to post this without preparing for it? Why did one need "an hour of preparation", followed by a lengthy dissertation, but this one, you just typed off the top of your head?

 

[OzSpen]

But you obviously didn't spend an hour preparing this response, as the time stamps on the two posts shows a 41 minute difference, minus the two or three minutes it took you to actually type it.

In other words, you did just fine without "preparation".

How were you able to post this without preparing for it? Why did one need "an hour of preparation", followed by a lengthy dissertation, but this one, you just typed off the top of your head?

You know that it did not require the kind of preparation of #31, so please quit harassing me.

When you quit disparaging a person with disabilities, then we'll have something to discuss. However, putting me down is not a way to encourage communication.

 

[South Bound]

You know that it did not require the kind of preparation of #31, so please quit harassing me.

How am I harassing you?

When you quit disparaging a person with disabilities

First of all, I've never "disparaged" you.

Second, I never even mentioned your "disability". You're the only one here who's brought that up, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

However, putting me down is not a way to encourage communication.

I haven't put you down.

 

[lismore]

I know that there is considerable diversity within the Baptist movement, but I'm not sure whether this extends to multiple positions on glossolalia.

Hi Colfax

I can only answer as to what seems to be the position of my own church.

Baptists still believe in the gifts of the Spirit, including speaking in tongues. The gifts are from God and God changes not.

However where the caution might creep in is from some circles which seem to have many strange manifestations. Although still believing in the gifts baptists have encountered odd things from some of those who say they are moving in the gifts of the Spirit. The same would be true of any spiritual gift.

In my days in AOG I was given at least two false prophecies by folks who said they had a prophetic gift.

God Bless

 

[now faith]

Now Faith,

Yes, tongues is among the main issue re the gifts, but that is understandable because it is so often abused and misunderstood. However, one of the reasons we have 1 Cor in the Bible is because of the abuse of tongues at Corinth. We have similar abuses today, but we have the dynamite correction of 1 Cor 12-14 to help us.

I'm ashamed at times to be identified with the charismatic movement because of the abuse. I recently was invited to attend a nearby charismatic house church where it wasn't long before people were rolling on the floor, screaming, etc. I was so disgusted with what I was seeing that I spoke with the leader (guru?) and left the meeting. I will not submit myself to such ungodly behaviour where things were not being done decently and in order (cr 1 Cor 14:40).

I have a low tolerance for false doctrine and disorder that I saw in that house church.

I was fortunate in that it was quite a way back that I was introduced to the movement of God by his Spirit in a small group where the supernatural gifts were evident and there was order.

I am blessed that my Baptist background gave me a solid base in theology in the early years of my Christian life. I have to admit that my involvement with the charismatic movement has caused me to be exposed to churches and interdenominational groups where there was sometimes a lack of solid biblical foundation.

Oz

Amen,we share a common background that has enabled us to discern things that should not be.

If a person gets involved with the wrong conduct as babes they may walk away forever.

The benefits we share are tremendous,because if spiritual Things are put aside our armor
Is weakened.

 

[now faith]

Why? They were questions to you about your experience.



OK. We'll just mark that one down as a "no".



That's not an answer. All you did is repeat the claim.

Utterances in tongues brings us into the Fathers will for our lives.

It bypasses the flesh and gives us discernment by our inner witness.

When we know the truth through the Spirit we are able to walk in the will of God,and grow each day in sanctification turning our minds away from the world,turning to the mind of Christ.

In one contextual view you could view tongues as a defense from the pitfalls of Satan,
In another way by doing God's will we glorify him through the promotion of the gospel.

The inner witness allows our flesh to step away and gives way to God's perfection in timing
Our witness to a perishing world around us.

God bless

 

[Spirit of Pentecost]

Among the Baptist faith, I think speaking in tongues is probably the most widely division among the groups. Some accept it, some are on the fence, and others simply don't allow it.

I was raised primarily in Baptist churches. Although I don't attend one any more, I have visited different ones on different occasions. I was once a devout attendee of a Full Gospel Baptist church, and they did believe in tongues as evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism. Full Gospel is sometimes another phrasing (or "generic term") for Pentecostal. That church was basically a Church of God that just didn't change its sign.

I have also attended a Holiness Baptist church three or four times, and they believe in tongues as well. Also, there men and women were along the lines of the Apostolic Pentecostals (as I am) in terms of dress: skirts, long sleeves, no make-up, et cetera.

In saying that, everyone in the Bible that received the Holy Spirit baptism had the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. No, that isn't the only "gift" of the Spirit, but it is the initial evidence of it. And, yes, I do believe the Holy Spirit and its gifts are still very much relevant today.

 

[Goodbook]

In my baptist church the view is if its done it is done decently and in order with interpretation.
Praying in tongues is up to the believer but generally it isnt done in church setting but in private.

I do think the gift tends to be dismissed or stifled in the baptist church as I have been to other churches that do it and often they dont even explain or give interpreation so it could be confusing for a non believer or newbie.

I know bible baptists are very strict on it and certain KJVonly baptist churches deny it completely...like they will say tongues have ceased or cite one bit of scripture ignoring everything else.

I found that open brethren churches also are cessationist and very anti tongues. Its like they dont believe God speaks in anything other than english.

 

[JM]

Baptists don't believe in tongues. This is true doctrinally and historically. Baptists believe the Bible is the final word of God.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[OzSpen]

Utterances in tongues brings us into the Fathers will for our lives.

It bypasses the flesh and gives us discernment by our inner witness.

Where's the biblical support for that statement?

 

[now faith]

Where's the biblical support for that statement?

Nope forget it your right but for time sake I was referring to this:
Romans 8:26, 1Corinthians 14:4-17, Ephesians 6:18, Jude vs 20

Edit.

 

[OzSpen]

Baptists don't believe in tongues. This is true doctrinally and historically. Baptists believe the Bible is the final word of God.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

JM,

There is a Qld Baptist Church 15 minutes from where I live that is as Pentecostal as any Pentecostal Church in the region. It depends on where you live. Since most Baptist churches are autonomous, in my region of Queensland there are Baptists who believe that tongues is a continuing gift of the Spirit but it requires the gift of interpretation in the public gathering of the church.

My son is an MDiv graduate of Malyon College (Baptist) here in Brisbane and he told me that that college taught the continuing gifts of the Spirit for the contemporary churches.

Oz

 

[Righttruth]

Seriously??? I speak in tongues and pray in tongues at will. It most certainly is of God. You need to do your homework before attributing the gifts of the Holy Spirit to satan.

It is baseless to claim that speaking gibberish is prompted by God! It is the emotional person's spirit, nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. That is what Paul also claimed.

 

[Goodbook]

It is baseless to claim that speaking gibberish is prompted by God! It is the emotional person's spirit, nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. That is what Paul also claimed.

No it isnt...its just not right to do it without interpetation in church.

Come on ppl read your bibles not just a few verses.

 

[JM]

It is baseless to claim that speaking gibberish is prompted by God! It is the emotional person's spirit, nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. That is what Paul also claimed.

True.

 

[Righttruth]

No it isnt...its just not right to do it without interpetation in church.

Come on ppl read your bibles not just a few verses.

What Paul wrote to immature and notorious Corinthian church specifically cannot be blindly applied now. You are also questioning the claim of Paul.

 

[OzSpen]

It is baseless to claim that speaking gibberish is prompted by God! It is the emotional person's spirit, nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. That is what Paul also claimed.

Seems as though 1 Cor 12-14 is missing from your Bible.

What did the apostle Paul say about the gift of tongues? 'Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues' (1 Cor 14:39 NIV). Paul did not say, 'do not forbid speaking in gibberish'.

In calling tongues 'gibberish' you have stooped to use the appeal to ridicule logical fallacy. It would be better for you to appeal to the exegetical evidence from Scripture.

That evidence includes 1 Cor 14:13-19.

See my article: Is the spiritual gift of tongues ‘gibberish’?

I've written further in: Is the gift of tongues an example of babbling to God?

You seem to be missing the importance of 1 Cor 14:1-5 (ESV) and what the gift of tongues is meant to convey:

Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up

Oz

 

[Righttruth]

Seems as though 1 Cor 12-14 is missing from your Bible.

I wish it had not been included in the canon created by men. Gifts don't lead to salvation; it is the fruit of the Spirit.

What did the apostle Paul say about the gift of tongues? 'Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues' (1 Cor 14:39 NIV). Paul did not say, 'do not forbid speaking in gibberish'.

That is the wisdom of Paul, not to disturb anything with immediate effect. Nevertheless, he advised to seek better gifts as if God bestows superior and inferior gifts! What was meant for immature, notorious people who were mocking Pentecostal phenomenon cannot be applied now with maturity. The letter was written to Corinthians specifically from a far off place which cannot be universalized blindly now.

In calling tongues 'gibberish' you have stooped to use the appeal to ridicule logical fallacy. It would be better for you to appeal to the exegetical evidence from Scripture.

That is calling spade a spade.

That evidence includes 1 Cor 14:13-19.

See my article: Is the spiritual gift of tongues ‘gibberish’?
I've written further in: [URL='https://spencer.gear.dyndns.org/2012/10/03/is-the-gift-of-tongues-an-example-of-babbling-to-god/']Is the gift of tongues an example of babbling to God?

You seem to be missing the importance of 1 Cor 14:1-5 (ESV) and what the gift of tongues is meant to convey:[/URL]

Please refer published book "Did Saint Paul Deviate From The Gospel?"
https://spencer.gear.dyndns.org/2013/07/25/is-the-spiritual-gift-of-tongues-gibberish/