Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

[from scratch]

Those examples aren't what you say they are, I've read Paul's writings IN CONTEXT and he isn't pro law at all.... he had a chance to put Gentiles under the Law at the council of Jerusalem and did the OPPOSITE.
No law for Gentiles - Paul

 

[from scratch]

Circumcision is the name of the game and Paul was in opposition to the group demanding it of gentile believers.

You're a sharp shooter who doesn't miss the target.

 

[from scratch]

The point remains.


in Christ,

Bob

What point?

 

[BobRyan]

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments (see point 5 below) AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.

Proof of that is here -

[FONT=&quot]1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes from Moses and the TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment
6. Paul DOES teach that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
7. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
8. Paul does tell gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
9. Paul DOES ask that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
10. Paul DOES tell gentiles that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
11. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
12. Paul DOES tell gentiles that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16[/FONT]

Those examples aren't what you say they are,

Until you actually read each one. Pick one - any one.

I've read Paul's writings IN CONTEXT and he isn't pro law at all.

"Do we than make VOID the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law" Rom 3:31

"It is not the HEARERS of the LAW that will be just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19.

Who then does Paul point to as being at war with the Law of God?


Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


The point remains.

What point?

The one we all can read in the words above. (Obviously)

I don't mind being put in the role of having to "state the obvious" though I think some people suppose that will bother me. It actually does not - I am happy to do it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

Why don't SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too?

The fundamental reason is that their founding prophet did not demand it of them.
​

Originally Posted by BobRyan

Because we read Hebrews 10 where we are told that all the sacrifices and offerings so necessary to the ceremonial law - have ended.

​

We read chapters 1-13 but in this case Heb 10 answered your question.

Nothing like staying focused on the point. (So why so quick to change the focus from Heb 10? Like you touched a hot stove? You had to have known this was the easy answer from scripture. Maybe we need to focus more on Heb 10 and see.)

Here we will see why Hebrews 10 is such a "hot potatoe" for some of our posters. And why it is so obviously the solution as to "why" we do not continue to keep ceremonial laws that are based in sacrifice and offering.

Heb 10
[FONT=&quot]3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "" SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;
6 IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.
7 "" THEN I SAID, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'''
8 After saying above, "" SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them'' (which are offered according to the Law),
9 then He said, "" BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL.'' He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;
12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]By the will of God we have been sanctified (set apart) through the offering of the body of Christ.


[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vs 9[/FONT]
9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.



So then - Not many many times in a “continued” sacrifice



[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Zech 6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 12"Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 13"Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices."[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Heb 10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,
16 "" THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART, AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM,'' He then says,
17 "" AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.''
18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.[/FONT]


in Christ,

Bob

So when do you thing the IJ will be completed?

 

[BobRyan]

YOU asked WHERE D.L. Moody affirmed the point that the Sabbath was kept by mankind in Eden.

The answer was ========================================

God said "THEREFORE the Lord BLESSED and made it holy" in both Gen 2:3 AND in Ex 20:11 speaking of Genesis 3.

Even the Baptist Confession of Faith notices this -- and declares that from EDEN to the cross the SAME Day of the week is kept as the 4th commandment by God's people starting with Adam.

Moody argues that The Sabbath was kept in Eden as well.

Where does Moody do this?

In the quotes I keep posting from Moody.

Fundamental Baptist Institute
http://www.fbinstitute.com/

presents

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment



Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

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Ok now - one more time with "feeling"


[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?[/FONT]
[/FONT]

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The word remember does no such thing .

So that is your response to D.L. Moody's statement.

And of course your claim is false having no proof at all.

And Moody is correct on this point not only because of Ex 20:8 AND Ex 20:11 but also because of Exodus 16:23 "TOMORROW IS the Sabbath".

Thus your initial question about what Moody said - is answered.

Moody said "[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember"[/FONT][/FONT]

But in true bait-and-switch you move to another point without responding to the fact that your own question was addressed.

As if you have no interest at all in your own questions or their answers.

How odd. Or is it "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Sophrosyne]

You're a sharp shooter who doesn't miss the target.

It's hard to miss shooting a can of spam when it is the size of a Walmart here in the thread.

 

[mmksparbud]

The above quote is the only one I am posting, but I am addressing other posts in my answer.

If you're going to quote me--at least read what I have written.---the question asked was why we no longer keep the feasts mentioned in Lev 23---I went through all those feasts that Paul supposedly kept with the verses mentioned as proof of his keeping them--It is also clear that all sacrifices are not part of the new covenent as stated in Hebrews. So what the sam hill is it you all want???--Matt 5 Christ says not one jot or title shall pass from the law till all be fulfilled--and He then goes on to talk about some of the 10 commandments and expanding them to make it clear that adultery is not just the act, but the thoughts. He nowhere mentions anything about continuing to sacrifice animals, he doesn't mention anything about keeping the feasts after His death (which, as a Jew, He kept when alive). The only thing He said is to continue to celebrate the drinking of the wine (which as I said was unfermented as no leavening in anything was allowed) and the eating of unleavened bread (representing His blood and body) and we include the washing of feet with that. Christ is now our High Priest, those verses have all been quoted. He now presents His blood to God to cover our sins--no animal, no human, can do this.
It's been stated that we can keep the feasts without animal sacrifices, but what is the point of that as those feasts required animal sacrifices and blood in order for them to be considered as being "kept." And what has Christmas or Easter got to do with anything about the feasts??--It's mentioned that we keep those---who said we "keep" those??---We say that nobody knows when Christ was born, decorating Christmas trees have nothing todo with His birth, bunnies and eggs have nothing to do with the resuurection of Christ (these are from firtility rites) so what is it you're wanting??--- The 10 commandments are the 10 commandments--10 laws, 10 sayings, whatever you want to call them and are the only ones that God wrote with His own hand and no one wants to consider that fact as of any importance. Fine for you---we do consider that fact important. And I already posted about that first Sabbath and nobody wants to accept that explaination--that's ok--don't accept it!! Doesn't alter what I stated one bit--nor does it alter the fact about all that Christ said in Matt 5. As someone said--The truth is true no matter what anyone thinks about it!!

It's been stated that it's not good manners to repeat previous posts--but it seems needed when noboby reads them and keep on stating the same arguements that have been answered over and over and over!!! It is no surprise to learn that people here do not understand the bible they read--when it's obvious they can't understand what is said in plain modern English today!!! The question of Leviticus 23 and the ceremonial animal sacrifices have been addressed yet you choose to ignore them--go ahead and ignore--but then have the presence of mind to quite asking the same questions that has been answered 20 times over!!

 

[mmksparbud]

It's all been posted several times before--but in Hebrews it is obvious that all rituals involving animal sacrifes were no longer applicable, they are old covenant--new covenant is Christ is the Sacrificial Lamb and also our High Priest (after the order of Mechizedek) Christ's priesthood is not of the Aaronic line, but of Melchizedek--the Aaronic priesthood were of mortal man, they died requiring many priests--the order of Melchizedek is of Divine, immortal appointment
(Gen 14:18) And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

(Psa 110:4) The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
(Heb 7:1) For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

(Heb 7:2) To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

(Heb 7:3) Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

To offer animal sacrifices after the cross is contrary to scripture--it denies Christs sacrifice. There were also other sacrifices that could be offered instead of an animal , and even those, then, were no longer needed.

As for the feast days--Pentecost was called the Feast of Weeks-celebrated fifty days after the Passover in memory of Moses receiving the laws on Mt. Sinai 50 days after leaving Egypt. That required bread offerings along with 7 lambs, 1 bullock, 2 rams...It's in Lev 23:15-22.
The disciples received the Holy Spirit on the day Pentecost, they were gathered together in one place, it doesn't state what day of the week it was. The sound of a mighty wind filled all the HOUSE--hardly a place in which to offer up all those animals. The day of Pentecost filled the city of Jerusalem with Jews from every nation--and when they heard about the disciples speaking in their own language "the multitude came together."--Perfect time and place to demonstrate the power of God.It does not state they were "keeping" that feast day, just that they were gathered together on that day at a house--not the temple. Bob Ryan also addressed this day.
Acts 20:16--Paul was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.--Paul liked to preach to to large gatherings--and even though he hasted to get to Jerusalem for the day of Pentecost, however, Acts 21:4 "And finding disciples, we tarried there seven days:who said to Paul through the Spirit, that he should not go up to Jerusalem."---No mention that the Day of Pentecost was "kept" while at Tyre.

Passover and unleavened bread was discussed by Bob--And just a note--Passover (now called Communion) was celebrated without leavening--of any kind--which means that the "wine" could not be fermented--no yeast anywhere permitted.

Feast of Tabernacles: Acts 18--Paul spent 1 yr and 6 mths in Corinth and then he went to Syria with Priscilla and Aquila then he went to Ephesus and "reasoned with the Jews." They wanted him to stay longer, he said no no as he had to "keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem"--What feast??---it doesn't say. All his travels were documented for over 1 1/2 years and no mention of him keeping any feast, and no way to determine what feast he was trying to get to in Jerusalem or when that feast would be as he then went to Caesarea, Antioch (where he spent some time) then on to "all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening the disciples." And he keeps on going and in Acts 19 :10 it says this went on for 2 more years so all of Asia heard of Jesus--And still no mention of what feast he had wanted to be in Jerusalem for or that he made it there!

Acts 27:9--"the fast was now already passed."--That is the Day of Atonement--Yom Kipper--That day required animal sacrifices also--High priest went into the holy place with a bullock and ram- and 2 goats and a ram. The 2 goats were for the sins of the congregation--one goat was killed for the sins of the congregation, lots of blood going around to cleans the sins of the congregation, the sins of the high priest and to cleanse the sanctuary,n and then the priest laid his hands on the live goat and confessed all the sins of Israel putting them on the head of the goat and the goat was led out into the wilderness and let go. It was the highest of Holy Days, depicting the price that Jesus would pay to cleans us from sins and depicting the end of Satan--the goat who took the blame for the price of all those sins that Christ had to die for--the wilderness--the 1000 years when Satan is bound.
Now, all that Acts 27:9 says is that the day of atonement had already passed, placing this event (the voyage) in the winter-a time not suitable for the voyage and Paul warned that it would now be a voyage that would be very dangerous for cargo and ship and also for their lives, but nobody listened to him and they took off anyway--which proved as disasterous as Paul had predicted.

It's in English--do I need it translated into Latin for you to comprehend!!!!????

 

[BobRyan]

It's been stated that it's not good manners to repeat previous posts--but it seems needed when noboby reads them and keep on stating the same arguements that have been answered over and over and over! !!

Good observation - if the discussion is to move forward there has to be paying attention to the points made and then accounting for that in the response rather than constantly "circling back" to an already refuted point or at the least - a point that needs to address some new more-in-depth question.

Because if "just circle back" is used - then the same posts that answered the question in the past must be made "Again" to answer that same-ol question "one more time".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gregory Thompson]

because we're in speculative judgment and they've already been fulfilled

 

[BobRyan]

IIt's all been posted several times before--but in Hebrews it is obvious that all rituals involving animal sacrifes were no longer applicable, they are old covenant--new covenant

That is true - Hebfews 10:4-12 makes the point beyond question.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

Originally Posted by mmksparbud

IIt's all been posted several times before--but in Hebrews it is obvious that all rituals involving animal sacrifes were no longer applicable, they are old covenant--new covenant
​

That is true - Hebfews 10:4-12 makes the point beyond question.

Is that why you are not a member of the Messianic Judaism sect, as that Christian sect appears to keep the feast days of Leviticus. I could be wrong, so I would welcome an MJ's input on that.


.

 

[mmksparbud]

And once again about why we harp on about health laws---BECAUSE GOD CREATED US AND HE KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR US. YES, HE TOLD THE ISRAELITES TGO NOT EAT CERTAIN THINGS AND THEY WOULD NOT GET THE DISEASES OF THOSE AROUND THEM---WHAT WAS HEALTHY FOR THE ISRAELITES 2,000 YEARS AGO WOULD BE MORE THAN HEALTHY TODAY. ADAM AND EVE IN THE GARDEN ATE ONLY FRUITS

(Gen 1:29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

THIS WAS THE IDEAL DIET. MEAT CAME INTO HAVING TO BE EATEN AFTER THE FLOOD AS THERE WAS NOTHING MUCH LEFT--AND BEFORE THE ANIMALS GOD MAD IT CLEASR AS TO WHAT WAS CLEAN AND UNCLEAN

(Gen 7:2) Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

IT'S ALL ABOUT BEING THE HEALTHIEST WE CAN BE SO WE CAN BETTER SERVE GOD--DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT?????----DON'T!!! NO ONE WILL EVER ANSWER TO TO ANY SDA FOR WHAT THEY EAT!!!!
AND HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT NEED TO BE SAID THAT THE DREAM THAT PETER HAD ABOUT EATING THE UNCLEAN ANIMALS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOD??!! IT WAS ALL ABOUT PEOPLE!!
(Act 10:17) Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

IT'S CLEAR THAT PERTER DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VISION WAS ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING. IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER HE MET WITH CORNELIUS AND HIS FRIENDS THAT HE FINALLY GOT IT. aND IF YOU READ THE DREAM HE HAD, HE IT IT 3 TIMES AND HE NEVER DID EAT ANY OF IT!

(Act 10:28) And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO EAT BUGS AND OTHER CREEPING THINGS--GO RIGHT AHEAD--AND ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES, ANTS AND GRASSHOPPERS ARE CLEAN--I STILL DON'T WANT THOSE, THANK YOU.
AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO THINK WE DISMISS ROMANS 14--HERE IT IS
(Rom 14:1) Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

(Rom 14:2) For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

(Rom 14:3) Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

(Rom 14:4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

(Rom 14:5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

(Rom 14:6) He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

(Rom 14:7) For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

(Rom 14:8) For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

(Rom 14:9) For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

(Rom 14:10) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

(Rom 14:11) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

(Rom 14:12) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

(Rom 14:13) Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

(Rom 14:14) I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

(Rom 14:15) But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

(Rom 14:16) Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

(Rom 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

(Rom 14:18) For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

(Rom 14:19) Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

(Rom 14:20) For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

(Rom 14:21) It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

(Rom 14:22) Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

(Rom 14:23) And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.


WE READ IT ALL--INCLUDING VERSE 21. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE DISIEASES GOD WOULD KEEP AWAY THEN EAT WHATEVER--IT'S BEEN PROVED OVER AND OVER THAT SDA'S LIVE THE LONGEST AND HAVE THE LEAST ILLNESS OF ANYONE INCLUDING MORMONS OR WHOEVER. aLSO THE JAPANESE ARE NOT TOO FAR BEHIND--THEY DON'T EAT MUCH MEAT--MOSTLY FISH AND VEGETABLES, THEY CAN'T AFFORD ALL THE FANCY STUFF AND OF THOSE WHO DO IT THE "FANCY STUFF"--THEY DON'T LIVE AS LONG OR ARE AS HEALTHY. THOSE THAT LIVE INLAND MORE, EAT EVEN LESS FISH.

(2Co 6:17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

I'm past 63, and i've endured a great many hardships, and one thing I have never lost, even when I had lost my grip on God, was His one gift to me that has held me together long enough to regain my grip on HIM--MY SENSE OF HUMOR---THIS PLACE HAS COME THE CLOSEST TO MY LOOSING IT!!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm past 63, and i've endured a great many hardships, and one thing I have never lost, even when I had lost my grip on God, was His one gift to me that has held me together long enough to regain my grip on HIM--MY SENSE OF HUMOR---THIS PLACE HAS COME THE CLOSEST TO MY LOOSING IT!!

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. (John 10:28)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by mmksparbud

I'm past 63, and i've endured a great many hardships, and one thing I have never lost, even when I had lost my grip on God, was His one gift to me that has held me together long enough to regain my grip on HIM--MY SENSE OF HUMOR---
THIS PLACE HAS COME THE CLOSEST TO MY LOOSING IT!!
​

Loosing what?



.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by mmksparbud

IIt's all been posted several times before--but in Hebrews it is obvious that all rituals involving animal sacrifes were no longer applicable, they are old covenant--new covenant
​

Originally Posted by BobRyan

That is true - Hebfews 10:4-12 makes the point beyond question.
​

Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

Is that why you are not a member of the Messianic Judaism sect, as that Christian sect appears to keep the feast days of Leviticus

Are you using the term "sect" as in "Denomination" or is it the bible concept of "sect" that Paul speaks about when HE claims to be a member of the "sect" that is called "The Way"??

In any case - Hebrews 10:4-12 pretty much sums up the reason that we keep the Moral Law of God - but not ceremonial law based on animal sacrifices.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[mmksparbud]

Loosing what?



.

Lamb!!!----My sense of Humor!!--I think you just returned it!--

 

[stone]

Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

Is that why you are not a member of the Messianic Judaism sect, as that Christian sect appears to keep the feast days of Leviticus. I could be wrong, so I would welcome an MJ's input on that.


.

of course they do, theyre jewish, why wouldn't they?

 

[SAAN]

Im seeing nothing but excuses form the SDA's and Sabbatarins as to why is is okay for them to Keep the Saturday Sabbath in Lev 23 and disregard all the rest of the Sabbaths, yet have the nerve to say Christians are sinning for Sunday worship, why SDA's/Sabbatrians also break commands of God by disregarding the 7 Sabbath days.

Remember it was you all who said you follow the laws of God, so im merely point out since sin is transgression of the law, you need to be following the 7 Holy days laid out in Lev 23 also, otherwise you are sinning against God in the same manner you claim Christians sin against God by having Sunday worship.