What is the strong delusion God will send in the end time?

[Alfred Persson]

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, (2Th 2:11 NKJ)


We can deduce what the "strong delusion" cannot be from the context of 2 Thessalonians, and that leaves only one likely candidate which is found in Genesis chapter 6.

As the Secret Power of lawlessness is spiritism, the Restrainer must be the Holy Spirit

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
(2Th 2:3-15 NKJ)

Context confirms the "mystery of lawlessness" (secret power inspiring lawlessness) is the antithesis of the "mystery of godliness" (1 Tim 3:16) by the contrast Paul makes:

While the mystery of lawlessness is according to Satan's power and workings inspiring lawlessness and unbelief in the truth of God, "the sanctification by the Spirit" results in holy living and belief in the truth.

These parallels also exist in the following where "another Jesus...a different spirit" (2 Cor 11:3-4) resulted in the strong delusion they had a personal relationship with Jesus and worked miracles in His name:

20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Mat 7:20-23 NKJ)

Obedience to God's truth is the outward physical evidence one has received the real Holy Spirit of God :

38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
...
42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. (Act 2:38-42 NKJ)

6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. (1Jo 4:4-6 NKJ)

As Paul notes spiritism was already at work (2 Thess 2:7) so even then there were many antichrists (1 John 2:18)----There must be something else associated with spiritism that was still being restrained which will be allowed to operate in the end time and lead to the "man of sin" taking control.

There is only one likely candidate for "what [specific decree] is restraining" the power of Satan until the end time.

Lets review Genesis c. 6., where the physical appearance of fallen angels called "Nephilim"----contemporaries with the angelic Sons of God sent to counter their evil work on the earth, were subverted when evil men conspired with the Nephilim seducing the angelic "sons of God" with their beautiful daughters so that they followed them in their sin having sexual relations with women, angering God immensely:


1 When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humankind were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose.
3 So the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in humankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous men.
5 But the LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind had become great on the earth. Every inclination of the thoughts of their minds was only evil all the time.
6 The LORD regretted that he had made humankind on the earth, and he was highly offended.
(Gen 6:1-6 NET)


As these had defiled the seed of the women with Angelic DNA and changed the image of God in man to a Frankenstein image of angels, God flooded the entire earth to cleanse the human race of angelic DNA.

It follows these angels were not permitted to continue their sexual relations with mankind after the flood. So that is the "what" that is being restrained by the Holy Spirit---that is in the power of Satan: THE physical appearance of fallen angels in our realm of existence.

37 "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 "For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 "and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Mat 24:37-39 NKJ)

Possibly confirming this, our LORD Jesus mentions marriage as indicating things would be normal. Why choose that activity to represent normalcy? Could it be He is alluding to what the Nephilim and the "sons of God" did with the daughters of men in Noah's Day, which is the only time in Noah's day we read of women being given in marriage?

THEREFORE, the resources Satan has spent convincing mankind UFO aliens exist, makes sense. A "UFO" landing would render all the world's religions obsolete, allowing the "man of sin" to rise up against all called God or that is worshiped. Changing times and law (Dan 7:25) is then possible.


It follows from all this, the Holy Spirit will stop restraining Satan and his angels from appearing physically on earth, disguised as aliens in a "ufo landing" that deceives the entire earth and gathers them to fight against Christ.

Its interesting that a common frog species in Egypt's Nile, which might be the frog John sees in his vision (Rev 16:13), is the Ptychadena mascareniensis, widespread in savannas from Sierra Leone eastward through West Africa, and northward to Egypt.

Its also known as the Mascarene Rocket Frog because it can fly by expelling a jet of water from its bladder, propelling it forward.

Then the imagery is suggesting the major lie or deception used by the Satanic Trinity to deceive the earth involves UFOs and perhaps their bio-technology.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(Rev 16:13-14 NKJ)

 

[Douggg]

God is not going to send UFO's as the strong delusion. UFO's arriving is not in bible prophecy of such craft arriving, coming and going, the occupants emerging from them and governing mankind in some sort of union. The little horn doesn't come from outer space, but from among a ten king kingdom.

For the type of scenario you are suggesting, there would have to be more detail in the bible than the few verses in Daniel 2 that you have built a complex scenario on. Something with UFO's and aliens might happen, but there is not enough information to build a scenario on it.

The strong delusion is that God will bring the slain Antichrist back to life - that people will believe the Antichrist's big lie that he is God in the flesh.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Dougg

But there is evidence that the 10 Kings are Fallen Angels.

43: And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The they in the verse above is the 10 kings The seed of men is human wives. The very fact it says the seed of men shows us it is not humans breeding with humans.

Jesus makes reference to this as well.

37: But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.38: For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

Jesus makes reference to the same event and the marriages. We know before the flood the Fallen Angels took human wives.

While we can not say for sure that the 10 kings are Fallen Angels there is evidence to back this position.

 

[miamited]

Hi AP,

For me, I believe the strong delusion is already begun and it comes to us in the teachings of evolution. In my wanderings throughout these threads it does appear to be a very, very strong delusion accepted and believed by even a multitude of those who align themselves as 'christians'.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[grasping the after wind]

The delusion is that by rejecting Christ in favor of secular government the world can be made a paradise. The central lie in that is that a government , despite failing time and time again to do anything but make inequality, injustice or unfairness anything but worse, can somehow make the people of the world all equal, fair and just. The delusion includes the self contradictory notion that people are basically good and that outside forces cause them to stray from their inherent benevolence. It is self contradictory because those outside forces are also human and it never explains how those outside forces, though human and therefore good and inherently benevolent, would act as if they were not good and inherently benevolent. Government in ages past and throughout the bulk of history had been mostly seen as something to keep order and not a marvelous and benevolent force to create a utopian society, by use of force if necessary. It is only in these latter times that this delusion that one can be cured of flaws by government intervention into one's life has arisen.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hi AP,

For me, I believe the strong delusion is already begun and it comes to us in the teachings of evolution. In my wanderings throughout these threads it does appear to be a very, very strong delusion accepted and believed by even a multitude of those who align themselves as 'christians'.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

That's not the only lie being accepted these days, but it is a big one.

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

The spiritual giants these days are the captains of banking, industry, science, medicine, and technology, who pull the strings in government, and who also work great signs and lying wonders in the sight of men.

Their like modern day sorcerers and magicians, with names like wizard of wall street, and oracle of Omaha.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Ap

Paul is very clear. The strong delusion is directly connected to the great wonder of Fire from heaven.

9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

This is not evolution or other posted things. The course of events is laid out in very plain order.

The AC Arrives he does a great wonder of fire from heaven, because people refuse to accept the Truth they believe the lie. They become deluded and believe the Lie of the AC.

We know that what restrains the Beast right now is the Chains that lock the pit. If you wish to believe that it is a person or entity then the only logical conclusion is it is the person in Heaven that gives the falling Star the key to the pit.

We know it was the four Arch Angels that locked the Beast in the pit pre flood in particular the Arch Angel Raphael.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

 

[Douggg]

Hi Dougg

But there is evidence that the 10 Kings are Fallen Angels.

43: And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The they in the verse above is the 10 kings The seed of men is human wives. The very fact it says the seed of men shows us it is not humans breeding with humans.

Well you have to go back to the previous verse 42 to know that it is not ten kings who are fallen angels - because the toes (of the feet) themselves are clay and iron, not just iron, or clay. Which would be that some of the kings, their particular group (countries) they represented or were over were weak - while some of the kings represented the stronger groups (countries). Weak countries - Greece, Italy. Strong countries - Germany, France as examples.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly * strong, and partly * broken. [/FONT]

Now that they mixed themselves with the seed of men, it is not talking about the ten toes (of the previous verse). - any of them being non-human because that explanation for the toes (the kings) is weakness and strength - not on the basis of humans and angels. That's the kings and the nature of the kingdom, a weak and strong kingdom. (I hope I am not sounding confusing).

However, there is the element of mixing with the seed of men, at some point in that kingdom as also being a factor of clay not mixing with iron. The mixes themselves with the seed of men, imo, would be when Babylon is fallen is fallen, in Revelation 18:2, and Satan and his angels cast down to earth - shortly after the midpoint of the 7years, that is when those, the cast down angels, try to interact (I don't know that it means sexually) with humans (the seed of men) of the final form of the EU in giving power and support to the Antichrist-beast. But that is long after the ten kings come to power, who will be humans.

I don't see them arriving in UFO's unless those are some sort of warcraft used in the war of heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels. I would not say it is impossible though, because of Ezekiel's vision in Ezekiel 1.

But the Antichrist is not going to be arriving in some UFO spaceship on the whitehouse lawn, offering his messiahship to mankind. The Antichrist must go through the King of Israel mashiach stage.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (serpents seed)

Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

 

[Codger]

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, (2Th 2:11 NKJ)


We can deduce what the "strong delusion" cannot be from the context of 2 Thessalonians, and that leaves only one likely candidate which is found in Genesis chapter 6.

As the Secret Power of lawlessness is spiritism, the Restrainer must be the Holy Spirit

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
(2Th 2:3-15 NKJ)

Context confirms the "mystery of lawlessness" (secret power inspiring lawlessness) is the antithesis of the "mystery of godliness" (1 Tim 3:16) by the contrast Paul makes:

While the mystery of lawlessness is according to Satan's power and workings inspiring lawlessness and unbelief in the truth of God, "the sanctification by the Spirit" results in holy living and belief in the truth.

These parallels also exist in the following where "another Jesus...a different spirit" (2 Cor 11:3-4) resulted in the strong delusion they had a personal relationship with Jesus and worked miracles in His name:

20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Mat 7:20-23 NKJ)

Obedience to God's truth is the outward physical evidence one has received the real Holy Spirit of God :

38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
...
42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. (Act 2:38-42 NKJ)

6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. (1Jo 4:4-6 NKJ)

As Paul notes spiritism was already at work (2 Thess 2:7) so even then there were many antichrists (1 John 2:18)----There must be something else associated with spiritism that was still being restrained which will be allowed to operate in the end time and lead to the "man of sin" taking control.

There is only one likely candidate for "what [specific decree] is restraining" the power of Satan until the end time.

Lets review Genesis c. 6., where the physical appearance of fallen angels called "Nephilim"----contemporaries with the angelic Sons of God sent to counter their evil work on the earth, were subverted when evil men conspired with the Nephilim seducing the angelic "sons of God" with their beautiful daughters so that they followed them in their sin having sexual relations with women, angering God immensely:


1 When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humankind were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose.
3 So the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in humankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous men.
5 But the LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind had become great on the earth. Every inclination of the thoughts of their minds was only evil all the time.
6 The LORD regretted that he had made humankind on the earth, and he was highly offended.
(Gen 6:1-6 NET)


As these had defiled the seed of the women with Angelic DNA and changed the image of God in man to a Frankenstein image of angels, God flooded the entire earth to cleanse the human race of angelic DNA.

It follows these angels were not permitted to continue their sexual relations with mankind after the flood. So that is the "what" that is being restrained by the Holy Spirit---that is in the power of Satan: THE physical appearance of fallen angels in our realm of existence.

37 "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 "For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 "and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Mat 24:37-39 NKJ)

Possibly confirming this, our LORD Jesus mentions marriage as indicating things would be normal. Why choose that activity to represent normalcy? Could it be He is alluding to what the Nephilim and the "sons of God" did with the daughters of men in Noah's Day, which is the only time in Noah's day we read of women being given in marriage?

THEREFORE, the resources Satan has spent convincing mankind UFO aliens exist, makes sense. A "UFO" landing would render all the world's religions obsolete, allowing the "man of sin" to rise up against all called God or that is worshiped. Changing times and law (Dan 7:25) is then possible.


It follows from all this, the Holy Spirit will stop restraining Satan and his angels from appearing physically on earth, disguised as aliens in a "ufo landing" that deceives the entire earth and gathers them to fight against Christ.

Its interesting that a common frog species in Egypt's Nile, which might be the frog John sees in his vision (Rev 16:13), is the Ptychadena mascareniensis, widespread in savannas from Sierra Leone eastward through West Africa, and northward to Egypt.

Its also known as the Mascarene Rocket Frog because it can fly by expelling a jet of water from its bladder, propelling it forward.

Then the imagery is suggesting the major lie or deception used by the Satanic Trinity to deceive the earth involves UFOs and perhaps their bio-technology.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(Rev 16:13-14 NKJ)

If you read Josephus you will realize that the "strong delusion" that Paul spoke about was the delusion that the Zealots believed that if war broke out between the Jews and the Romans that they would be given the victory by divine intervention. That WAS the delusion that Paul spoke to and it happened just 14 years after he wrote it.

 

[SG9]

That's not the only lie being accepted these days, but it is a big one.

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

The spiritual giants these days are the captains of banking, industry, science, medicine, and technology, who pull the strings in government, and who also work great signs and lying wonders in the sight of men.

Their like modern day sorcerers and magicians, with names like wizard of wall street, and oracle of Omaha.

Brother, this sounds good but there's a flaw in your reasoning, and I politely say this because I don't want to make waves here but just to point something out to you and the other readers: All of the things that you mentioned in the last paragraph are a product of what the government has done to allow them. The giants are not of each individual achievement but it's all of ONE giant, which is the government.

I've said this before and will repeat it again, in the mid 19th century was the great disappointment when most of the world had lost faith, and the occult religions began popping up all over because of yet another issue that gave them the freedom to do it. In that time, and after the disappointment came many people that helped to change the world and lead it further astray from God.

Not in any order, were Albert Einstein, Joseph Smith, Ellen G. Harmon, Charles Darwin, and others also, and they did not help reform anything but cause further confusion. After the 1844 disappointment the laws and orders were then changed in 1848 by the United States of America. The Times and Laws of Yahweh were changed by giving liberty to the Americans to do what they will; this was the Women's Liberation Movement that was first a change in Ordinances before they debated over laws because the women had no place to debate before then.

The advancement in all of the things that you listed, and more came about after the Liberation. This was a liberation from the true God. Many evil things were born from this liberation and it has flourished throughout the world as a new world order, as the other countries were impressed with technology and the other things so they too, followed suit.

Marriage and Divorce laws changed and became what we have today. This is another reason why Obama is pushing advanced development in technology, and promising that it will be a brighter future but this is a deception to lead us further into darkness. All of technology can be a total waste if the earth were to lose it's electrical power source, and it can happen with a solar CME so easily. There was a double impact solar CME occur in September 1859, and it didn't affect the world then like it will today.

Technology is the worst investment that any sane man would do because of it's vulnerability, IMHO. I don't twist arms but do encourage people to consider these things because the time is nearing when this may occur and all that we have created will be lost and man will be powerless if we lose our electrical power grids from a solar impact.

Thanks to all, and may God bless you )

 

[Douggg]

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (serpents seed)

Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

If the iron and clay don't mix, then how are you interpreting that as being sexual mingling? Back in the days of Noah, the fallen angels did mix with humans resulting in the Nephillim. Mingling, I think is that they are going to live (having been cast down to earth) among humans (the seed of man), but not have sexual mingling. Again, that will not take place until the war in heaven, shortly after the midpoint of the seven years.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If the iron and clay don't mix, then how are you interpreting that as being sexual mingling? Back in the days of Noah, the fallen angels did mix with humans resulting in the Nephillim. Mingling, I think is that they are going to live (having been cast down to earth) among humans (the seed of man), but not have sexual mingling. Again, that will not take place until the war in heaven, shortly after the midpoint of the seven years.

I don't see it as physical sexual mingling, but rather spiritual...as the seeds are speaking of spiritual seeds not physical.

Think about this, before the flood the sons of God came into the daughters of men and made giants. Now, the Lord destroyed all flesh which had the breath of life in it during the flood. That means every living thing that was not in Noah's ark was destroyed.

But....we see in scripture it says after the flood their was a remnant of the giants left. How can this be seeing God destroyed all flesh from off the face of the earth?

The only way this can be is if the seed of the sons of God was spiritual, not physical.

You must always remember Gods word is spoken in a mystery, so don't judge it by appearances.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

But wait!......

Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

The Lord is speaking of spiritual things.

 

[TillICollapse]

I don't see it as physical sexual mingling, but rather spiritual...as the seeds are speaking of spiritual seeds not physical.

Think about this, before the flood the sons of God came into the daughters of men and made giants. Now, the Lord destroyed all flesh which had the breath of life in it during the flood. That means every living thing that was not in Noah's ark was destroyed.

But....we see in scripture it says after the flood their was a remnant of the giants left. How can this be seeing God destroyed all flesh from off the face of the earth?

The only way this can be is if the seed of the sons of God was spiritual, not physical.

You must always remember Gods word is spoken in a mystery, so don't judge it by appearances.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

But wait!......

Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

The Lord is speaking of spiritual things.

Where did the spiritual seeds reside during the flood and the destruction of all flesh, and after it ?

ETA: I'm assuming you're not saying that disembodied nephilim spirits are one-and-the-same as this *seed*.

 

[SG9]

If the iron and clay don't mix, then how are you interpreting that as being sexual mingling? Back in the days of Noah, the fallen angels did mix with humans resulting in the Nephillim. Mingling, I think is that they are going to live (having been cast down to earth) among humans (the seed of man), but not have sexual mingling. Again, that will not take place until the war in heaven, shortly after the midpoint of the seven years.

Dear Douggg, and others, I know that this is a sensitive subject to address, and this is to explain why there is confusion, debate, and a host of issues that are a product of the truth that was flipped upside down, and it was done by the WLM in 1848 as I've posted. The iron is depicting "man", and then, specifically were those that were the Sons of Man, who were them that claimed to be, and I assume they became corrupted, and were swallowed up by the flood of corruption, and/or were murdered/martyred in the Truth. This would have been an issue that evolved over time, and the 1848 changes are what does count in prophecy.

The men were all considered to be "iron" as in Ironman, and the women are the "clay". There is also a proportion to the two elements but that's another detail, and too much to mention now but to continue with this line, the two are co-mingling through world history, and is repeating as Daniel's Metalman is sort of a symbol even for us to interpret for our time, and in a parallel to our time, not the past.

This issue is depicted in the feet, and it's because when the spirit in humankind is flipped upside down, it then thinks with it's feet. This is depicting the co-mingling of minds, as well, and men and women are then equated in the NWO, and not equated in Christ because of the change in proportions, as I did say.

This end time issue is a battle of the sexes, and many people such as the author of this thread is seeing partially, and still the Christian society in America mainly, debate over these prophecies because they refuse to see these things that have become second-nature to the world. Many family generations have evolved since then, and we were born into this with out experiencing those times.

The conspirators, and which are, have been since, doing all that they can to promote the extremely attractive NWO and hide the Truth about slaying the Two Witnesses, then. There's a lot of hidden history that isn't popular and isn't being announced.

The reason why the confusion over the body and spirit and angel bit is because man is considered an angel on earth when he has Yahweh's Spirit in him. The prophecy about the Potter and the clay is corrupted, and the man is the Potter, and the woman the clay, and this is parallel to the I Cor chapter about the head coverings because the man is the head of the woman, Christ is the head of man, and it's parallel to the prophecy where no man may come unto the Father except by Me, Jesus said, and Jesus is the Potter, and the Son of Man, and the Sabbath for man.

The bottom line is that the foolish virgins will not make it in because they are "out of order" in this many parallel prophecy issue of our time. The world will have a great tribulation over the WLM once again as it raises it's ugly head in the future, and I see a trend of this being pushed in subtle ways that men are blind to. So Yahweh please help all of us to realize why we are blind and still debate over even simple prophecies.

Thanks, and nothing personal, I love you all just the same.

 

[SG9]

Hi Ap

Paul is very clear. The strong delusion is directly connected to the great wonder of Fire from heaven.

9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

This is not evolution or other posted things. The course of events is laid out in very plain order.

The AC Arrives he does a great wonder of fire from heaven, because people refuse to accept the Truth they believe the lie. They become deluded and believe the Lie of the AC.

We know that what restrains the Beast right now is the Chains that lock the pit. If you wish to believe that it is a person or entity then the only logical conclusion is it is the person in Heaven that gives the falling Star the key to the pit.

We know it was the four Arch Angels that locked the Beast in the pit pre flood in particular the Arch Angel Raphael.

Hello JTF, I thought to touch on one point only in your post without going into more detail as I've written much in other posts that will address other issues.

The point in the part that I highlighted in Red bold, and underlined is that this is past tense and Satan has been loosed since 1848. Some points of your reasoning seem okay while other points in prophecy are confused with a parallel to another time and issue in past history.

Another point I'd like to add is about placing so much emphasis on past history without looking for a closer parallel for today. There are many parallel events from small to large scale in both the natural and spiritual realms, and one must see the repercussion, spiritually like looking at the other side of the coin.

Thanks

 

[Alfred Persson]

God is not going to send UFO's as the strong delusion. UFO's arriving is not in bible prophecy of such craft arriving, coming and going, the occupants emerging from them and governing mankind in some sort of union. The little horn doesn't come from outer space, but from among a ten king kingdom.

For the type of scenario you are suggesting, there would have to be more detail in the bible than the few verses in Daniel 2 that you have built a complex scenario on. Something with UFO's and aliens might happen, but there is not enough information to build a scenario on it.

The strong delusion is that God will bring the slain Antichrist back to life - that people will believe the Antichrist's big lie that he is God in the flesh.

The fallacy in your argument is separating UFO phenomena from Satanic paranormal, which is condemned very often throughout scripture.

You also failed to notice I employed Deductive logic, its not inferential.

Paul clearly says the mystery of lawlessness was operating while he wrote, but some aspect of it was being restrained. Its identified as being according to the working of Satan, in all wondrous signs that deceive.

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, (2Th 2:9 NIV)

That leaves Genesis chapter 6, its the only work of Satan that deceived the entire earth, that evidently was restrained after the flood.

The belief Angels sinned sexually with women in Gen c. 6 was a popular belief in Jesus' day among the Jews:

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; (2Pe 2:4-5 NKJ)

In Jude it is said they left their proper place, and the context clearly identifies these as sexual sins:

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jud 1:6-7 NKJ)

Many commentators acknowledge this was a popular belief among the Jews of Jesus time, and the apostles were Jews so much Paul even said (and he didn't lie)

6 But when Paul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, "Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee; concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead I am being judged!" (Act 23:6 NKJ)

Its antisemitic to reject anything just because its Jewish---Christ (born a Jew) would not agree:

52 Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old." (Mat 13:52 NKJ)

And it must be noted, the man Jesus is in a real sense, still a Jew according to both the letter (He fulfilled every requirement of the law ending the sacrifices redeeming all who believe) and the Spirit of it (impeccably performing it always):

but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. (Rom 2:29 NKJ)

After all, He is the King of the Jews:

2 Then Pilate asked Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered and said to him, "It is as you say." (Mar 15:2 NKJ)

We should never forget lest conceit render us stupid---fact is, by God's grace (undeserved kindness), we were grafted in

17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. (Rom 11:17-21 NKJ)

 

[isleof]

Only in the end time? A joke right?

Delusion is the primary source of nearly all people today.

 

[random person]

If you read Josephus you will realize that the "strong delusion" that Paul spoke about was the delusion that the Zealots believed that if war broke out between the Jews and the Romans that they would be given the victory by divine intervention. That WAS the delusion that Paul spoke to and it happened just 14 years after he wrote it.

And the Zealots war lasted 7 years 66AD to 73AD (Masada).

And there was plenty of false Christs in this period and after claiming they will lead the Jews to their kingdom. And the Jews believed and followed them in respective massacres.