What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[GenemZ]

I find it ironic the MJ forums are pretty dead on the Sabbath must be they have a different idea what is allowed.

MJ... What do they know? They are Jewish. The Sabbath is really for the Gentiles.

 

[Sophrosyne]

MJ... What do they know? They are Jewish. The Sabbath is really for the Gentiles.

Some there are messianic Gentiles

 

[GenemZ]

Why would you remain in a sect accursed by teaching fables contrary to the Law and the Gospel?

Because it offers him something that he can see, touch, and feel like he is accomplishing something.

If he were a boy scout? He would be weighed down with merit badges and just beaming with pride. But, a 40 year old male in scout uniform does tend to look comical. I think the angels might get a laugh when these situation comedies materialize.


The Elder 111 Comedy Hour. Brought to you by Kraft(y).

 

[GenemZ]

Some there are messianic Gentiles

Some are just a mess.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Some are just a mess.

As long as they don't demand Gentiles be turned into messianics I don't mind

 

[isleof]

You must become a jew or else.

I dont even know how to forcefully demand that one should follow God.

 

[isleof]

Don't steal or else. Im commanded not to stand in the way of sinners.

 

[isleof]

Sinners. Sin away, to your own demise.

Oh wait, I think Im picking it up.

 

[MoreCoffee]

This is what I understand about the character of the ten commandments.

• They are chiefly general principles whose outworking in day to day life requires some thought.
• Most of them are moral.
• One of them is a mixture of moral duty and religious-cult-practise.
• They reflect how one ought to treat other human beings and how one ought to relate to God.
• They provide a good foundation for thinking about moral issues.
• They do not address every moral issue.

The seventh day commandments is the one that reflects religious-cult-practise.

Here is an explanation of what is meant by religious-cult-practise:

• Choosing a definite day for rest and allowing one's employees (slaves or free in ancient times) to rest is a religious-cult-practise.
• Choosing the number of days between rests is a religious-cult-practise.
• Advocating religious worship on the chosen day is a religious-cult-practise.
• Regarding the chosen day as holy is a religious-cult-practise.

One is free to choose the things mentioned above without losing the moral component of the Rest that God commands.

Apostolic example leads me to treat Sunday as the rest day of the commandment even though it is not the seventh day observed by Israelites and by some in modern times, including Rabbinic Jews.

 

[GenemZ]

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
If the Lord has not sanctify you, you don't have worry about the Sabbath!

Your idea of sanctification is from another age. It is like someone telling us to have a horse and buggy in the age you should be driving an automobile. You are still following the instructions on how to care for a horse and have thrown your spiritual car keys away. You're religion has misled you and has you living in a wrong age.

2 Thessalonians 2:13

But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord,
because God chose you as first fruits to be saved through the sanctifying work
of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
​

1 Peter 1:1-2

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the
provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, who have been chosen
according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work
of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and
peace be yours in abundance.
​

Acts 26:17-18

I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you
to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power
of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those
who are sanctified by faith in me.’
​

1 Corinthians 1:1-3

Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother
Sosthenes, To the church of God in Corinth,to those sanctified in Christ Jesus
and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on
the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours: Grace and peace to you
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


​

Our sanctification came through the the blood of Christ. No longer by trying to follow the mandates of the Law. For, if we walk in the Spirit, our nature will be changed, and we will find ourself abiding in this life which is according to the Law.. But, not according to the rituals found in the Law, which were only used of God as training tools to teach and prepare the Jews for the atonement that would come by means of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You need to come to know and understand that you have been sanctified by the Blood of Christ, and set apart (sanctified) by means of the Spirit in regeneration. You are now being duped by those who are exploiting your nice nature that has a willingness to be religiously obedient, wanting to be seen as good outwardly by following rules that have been set forth, so that if you do them, to give you a sense of being approved that you seek from God.

 

[Elder 111]

Firstly, you didn't answer my question.
Secondly, you just denied the new covenant Christianity exists within.
Why are you posting on a Christian forum if you've rejected the basic tenets of Christianity?

You are speaking as if Christainity is something completely new. It is not. It is a continuation of God relationship with His Creation.
Christianity is just the name given after Christ came. But it is the same God with the same rules of and for salvation.

 

[Elder 111]

Yes, I presented an accurate quote of Ellen White's lesson to her adherents. What I removed with the ellipsis is an invalid claim of hers, which is the Sanctuary Doctrine God didn't sustain at all. This invalid claim is the reason Ellen told you to reject the Bible for 50 years, because the Bible proves that Ellen White is a false prophet.

The same false prophet taught you that the sabbath has its origin in creation, which is false - and your post is a repetition of that error you already know to be false. Now, look at your own quote from Galatians 1, from the same epistle you've already rejected in your posts. Why would you remain in a sect accursed by teaching fables contrary to the Law and the Gospel?

That is a personal and faults claim of yours. My position is firmly based on biblical principles.
Is not the Sabbath the seventh day? Did not God say that the Sabbath was hollowed sanctified and blessed from creation? All of Christianity, even those who reject the Sabbath, must admit that the Sabbath was from creation. Christ said so.
Of course the Jews claimed that Christ was a devil. Luke 6:
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
John15:

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

 

[Elder 111]

This is what I understand about the character of the ten commandments.

• They are chiefly general principles whose outworking in day to day life requires some thought.
• Most of them are moral.
• One of them is a mixture of moral duty and religious-cult-practise.
• They reflect how one ought to treat other human beings and how one ought to relate to God.
• They provide a good foundation for thinking about moral issues.
• They do not address every moral issue.

The seventh day commandments is the one that reflects religious-cult-practise.

Here is an explanation of what is meant by religious-cult-practise:

• Choosing a definite day for rest and allowing one's employees (slaves or free in ancient times) to rest is a religious-cult-practise.
• Choosing the number of days between rests is a religious-cult-practise.
• Advocating religious worship on the chosen day is a religious-cult-practise.
• Regarding the chosen day as holy is a religious-cult-practise.

One is free to choose the things mentioned above without losing the moral component of the Rest that God commands.

Apostolic example leads me to treat Sunday as the rest day of the commandment even though it is not the seventh day observed by Israelites and by some in modern times, including Rabbinic Jews.

The Sabbath that God ordain, sanctified, blessed and hallowed is a religeoud-cult-practise? It therefore becomes necessary for us to correct God's shortsightedness. Sunday is the rest day even thought it is not the Sabbath that God instituted!
Can everyone in this forum admit sincerely before God that this is what He requires?
And I am accused of blasphemy.

 

[Elder 111]

Your idea of sanctification is from another age. It is like someone telling us to have a horse and buggy in the age you should be driving an automobile. You are still following the instructions on how to care for a horse and have thrown your spiritual car keys away. You're religion has misled you and has you living in a wrong age.

2 Thessalonians 2:13

But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord,
because God chose you as first fruits to be saved through the sanctifying work
of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
​

1 Peter 1:1-2

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the
provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, who have been chosen
according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work
of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and
peace be yours in abundance.
​

Acts 26:17-18

I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you
to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power
of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those
who are sanctified by faith in me.’
​

1 Corinthians 1:1-3

Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother
Sosthenes, To the church of God in Corinth,to those sanctified in Christ Jesus
and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on
the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours: Grace and peace to you
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


​

Our sanctification came through the the blood of Christ. No longer by trying to follow the mandates of the Law. For, if we walk in the Spirit, our nature will be changed, and we will find ourself abiding in this life which is according to the Law.. But, not according to the rituals found in the Law, which were only used of God as training tools to teach and prepare the Jews for the atonement that would come by means of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You need to come to know and understand that you have been sanctified by the Blood of Christ, and set apart (sanctified) by means of the Spirit in regeneration. You are now being duped by those who are exploiting your nice nature that has a willingness to be religiously obedient, wanting to be seen as good outwardly by following rules that have been set forth, so that if you do them, to give you a sense of being approved that you seek from God.

Sanctification was always through the blood of Christ.

 

[VictorC]

You are speaking as if Christainity is something completely new. It is not. It is a continuation of God relationship with His Creation.
Christianity is just the name given after Christ came. But it is the same God with the same rules of and for salvation.

That is a personal and faults claim of yours. My position is firmly based on biblical principles.
Is not the Sabbath the seventh day? Did not God say that the Sabbath was hollowed sanctified and blessed from creation? All of Christianity, even those who reject the Sabbath, must admit that the Sabbath was from creation. Christ said so.
Of course the Jews claimed that Christ was a devil. Luke 6:
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
John15:

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

In both of these posts, you didn't address the questions posed before you - instead, you merely repeated unBiblical claims concurrent with "My position is firmly based on biblical principles", which has already been proven to be false. We've seen you reject what God told Moses (Exodus 31:13), what God told the assembly at Horeb (Exodus 20:2), and how Jesus differentiated the sabbath from God's rest (Mark 2:27). You even repeated the failed soteriology of Judaism above (Matthew 5:20) that is antithetical to Christianity's tenet of salvation by Jesus Christ and not via our works of the flesh, which God already committed all disobedient to (Romans 11:32). That your posts continue to illustrate a personal rejection of God's new covenant (Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25, 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:13, 9:15, and 12:24) confirms the many very serious observations made recently about what unholy entity has filled the vacuum left in you when you drove away God's Holy Spirit.

But a discussion forum isn't the venue suited to addressing personal problems of such magnitude. We want only to understand your motives.
Why are you posting on a Christian forum if you've rejected the basic tenets of Christianity?
Why would you remain in a sect accursed by teaching fables contrary to the Law and the Gospel?

 

[from scratch]

You are speaking as if Christainity is something completely new. It is not. It is a continuation of God relationship with His Creation.
Christianity is just the name given after Christ came. But it is the same God with the same rules of and for salvation.

Its new and a totally foreign concept to the Jews. It didn't appear till Jesus did.

 

[from scratch]

That is a personal and faults claim of yours. My position is firmly based on biblical principles.
Is not the Sabbath the seventh day? Did not God say that the Sabbath was hollowed sanctified and blessed from creation? All of Christianity, even those who reject the Sabbath, must admit that the Sabbath was from creation. Christ said so.
Of course the Jews claimed that Christ was a devil. Luke 6:
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
John15:

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

You only accept part of the Bible rejecting much of it as demonstrated time and again.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Its new and a totally foreign concept to the Jews. It didn't appear till Jesus did.

It is like there is total ignorance of Paul's Gospel of Grace here...

 

[from scratch]

You must become a jew or else.

I dont even know how to forcefully demand that one should follow God.

You've been seriously hood winked. Unlike a pirate with a patch over one eye, you've got a patch over both eyes. That's usually called a blindfold.

 

[from scratch]

Don't steal or else. Im commanded not to stand in the way of sinners.

Unfortunately you do. Just like the Psalms say you stand in the way of sinners. Ps 1:1 -

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

And Paul says in Rom 2 -

For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.