What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[VictorC]

Its like someone trying to sell you kosher pork.

Not far from Ellen White's message to her adherents in {MR760 19.2}: "And while the Scriptures are God's Word, and are to be respected, the application of them ... is a great mistake."

 

[from scratch]

Its like someone trying to sell you kosher pork.

Now that's good.

Hey the Mexicans will tell you their mother is a virgin. Happened to me BTW.

 

[GenemZ]

Not far from Ellen White's message to her adherents in {MR760 19.2}: "And while the Scriptures are God's Word, and are to be respected, the application of them ... is a great mistake."

Not that men can not be satanically inspired... But, a woman? Paul warned that no woman should accept her position that she presumed.

The people perish from a lack of knowledge. They may have lots of facts to toy with, but no truth.

I believe Elder is proof that God allows for free will. For its not God's will. That is certain.

 

[Elder 111]

Not accused. Exposed.

But, you remain oblivious.

It takes a certain type to get off the road and into what you want to cling to. For, another who suffers the same type of religious desire, it would be like having a statue of Mary on your mantle. Again..Oblivious. Unable to comprehend what the true issue is.

You're not being accused. Exposed. But, you have been covered with spiritual Novocaine. Oblivious.

We are not interested in all you know about the Sabbath. Because you ignore the "why" for the Sabbath.

All you do is close your eyes. Pick a verse out of your hat. Then, you turn it into a rabbit.

I am at the point where you are no longer look like someone able to comprehend the facts, because a supernatural power keeps putting its hands over you eyes making you unable to see.

Be happy. Keep your Sabbaths for the rest of your life. Then die like we all must. But, we all are not going to displease the Lord when evaluated. Those who produce wood, hay, and stubble (dead works) will be ashamed of themselves to finally perceive the Lord, and to know what they had been warned about by concerned believers was true.

Just make sure you stop using your computer to post on the Sabbath. No one likes a hypocrite. No one likes an excuse maker. Using your computer on the Sabbath is nothing like plucking corn because you have to eat. You should also go to the bathroom and wash your hands on the Sabbath. But? Post on your computer? I call that being a phoney. But, then again... anyone who keeps the Sabbath Day after coming to Christ is a phoney form of spirituality. Its really the flesh following the Law.


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So witnessing or sharing God's truth on the Sabbath is against Sabbath keeping? What about taking my sick neighbor to the doctor?

 

[VictorC]

So witnessing or sharing God's truth on the Sabbath is against Sabbath keeping?

The chasm between God's truth and what you falsely claim to be God's truth is so enormous there is no way to reconcile your rendition with Scripture. Your posts promote the Adventist mandate to keep the sabbath unholy, but you aren't going to find support for that anywhere in Scripture.

 

[GenemZ]

So witnessing or sharing God's truth on the Sabbath is against Sabbath keeping? What about taking my sick neighbor to the doctor?

If posting on your computer will get your sick neighbor to the doctor?

Why not do some community volunteer labor on the Sabbath, and witness to your fellow workers? Would that make it OK?

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
If the Lord has not sanctify you, you don't have worry about the Sabbath!
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Who does this passage address?
If you remain accounted as a child of Israel (which doesn't include the Gentiles of Barbados estranged apart from God during the tenure of the old covenant), then you aren't an adopted child of God. You may as well announce to the world that you aren't saved, if this passage is supposed to bolster your argument somehow.

An argument that doesn't address my post in the slightest.
A week has gone by, and you still can't answer my questions.

Firstly there is really only one covenant. The principle remain the same. The so call new covenant have nothing to do with changing the rules but was because the first was broken by men.

 

[Elder 111]

Not far from Ellen White's message to her adherents in {MR760 19.2}: "And while the Scriptures are God's Word, and are to be respected, the application of them ... is a great mistake."

This is a clear indication of the fact that you are not concern about presenting truth. What you have quoted has been purposely done so as to present a faults idea.
Full quotation: We are not to receive the words of those who come with a message that contradicts the special points of our faith. They gather together a mass of Scripture and pile it as proof around their asserted theories. This has been done over and over again during the past fifty years. And while the Scriptures are God’s Word, and are to be respected, the application of them, if such application moves one pillar of the foundation that God has sustained these fifty years, is a great mistake. He who makes such an application knows not the wonderful demonstration of the Holy Spirit that gave power and force to the past messages that have come to the people of God.
Paul made a similar point. Bringing misapplied scripture to move old established marks is not a thing of the Holy Spirit. That includes the Sabbath firmly planted by God, in the the Ten Commandments and hallowed from creation for all men.
Gal. 1:
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Elder 111]

The chasm between God's truth and what you falsely claim to be God's truth is so enormous there is no way to reconcile your rendition with Scripture. Your posts promote the Adventist mandate to keep the sabbath unholy, but you aren't going to find support for that anywhere in Scripture.

If The Seventh Day Adventist keep the Sabbath in an unholy manner what about you? How do you keep it?

 

[Elder 111]

If posting on your computer will get your sick neighbor to the doctor?

Why not do some community volunteer labor on the Sabbath, and witness to your fellow workers? Would that make it OK?

I am asking you! You are the one telling me what I should or should not be doing on the Sabbath.

 

[VictorC]

Who does this passage address?
If you remain accounted as a child of Israel (which doesn't include the Gentiles of Barbados estranged apart from God during the tenure of the old covenant), then you aren't an adopted child of God. You may as well announce to the world that you aren't saved, if this passage is supposed to bolster your argument somehow.

An argument that doesn't address my post in the slightest.
A week has gone by, and you still can't answer my questions.

Firstly there is really only one covenant. The principle remain the same. The so call new covenant have nothing to do with changing the rules but was because the first was broken by men.

Firstly, you didn't answer my question.
Secondly, you just denied the new covenant Christianity exists within.
Why are you posting on a Christian forum if you've rejected the basic tenets of Christianity?

 

[VictorC]

This is a clear indication of the fact that you are not concern about presenting truth. What you have quoted has been purposely done so as to present a faults idea.
Full quotation: We are not to receive the words of those who come with a message that contradicts the special points of our faith. They gather together a mass of Scripture and pile it as proof around their asserted theories. This has been done over and over again during the past fifty years. And while the Scriptures are God’s Word, and are to be respected, the application of them, if such application moves one pillar of the foundation that God has sustained these fifty years, is a great mistake. He who makes such an application knows not the wonderful demonstration of the Holy Spirit that gave power and force to the past messages that have come to the people of God.
Paul made a similar point. Bringing misapplied scripture to move old established marks is not a thing of the Holy Spirit. That includes the Sabbath firmly planted by God, in the the Ten Commandments and hallowed from creation for all men.
Gal. 1:
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Yes, I presented an accurate quote of Ellen White's lesson to her adherents. What I removed with the ellipsis is an invalid claim of hers, which is the Sanctuary Doctrine God didn't sustain at all. This invalid claim is the reason Ellen told you to reject the Bible for 50 years, because the Bible proves that Ellen White is a false prophet.

The same false prophet taught you that the sabbath has its origin in creation, which is false - and your post is a repetition of that error you already know to be false. Now, look at your own quote from Galatians 1, from the same epistle you've already rejected in your posts. Why would you remain in a sect accursed by teaching fables contrary to the Law and the Gospel?

 

[VictorC]

If The Seventh Day Adventist keep the Sabbath in an unholy manner what about you? How do you keep it?

Excuse me, where is that commandment to keep the sabbath unholy found again? At least I'm glad that you've conceded this as their practice.

 

[VictorC]

Elder111, you haven't answered my post nor my questions yet.

It is there we don't want to accept it. There are several reason to come to the conclusion that all Christians should keep the Sabbath.

No, it isn't there. The evidence contrary to the Law has never been provided by you. Those of us who know the Law sufficiently to accept its limited jurisdiction and tenure know full well that you're blowing smoke with no substance. That same vacuum continues in the suppositions you listed below.

When the early church met in Acts 15 at the directive of the Holt Spirit to tell the gentles what they were required to do as Christians the Sabbath was not mentioned as one of those things not to do. In fact they acknowledged that the Sabbath kept(act15:21) but did not say not to keep it. Why not if they wanted the gentles not to?

Acts 15:12 tells us that Moses was read in the past tense every sabbath. Living in the past tense doesn't provide an argument for the present.

Jesus is or example and He kept it (Luke 4:16). If it was not for Christians He would have said so.

Jesus is our Redeemer and does not keep the sabbath. Your reliance on the past tense of key verbs ignores the central message of the Gospel!
Galatians 4:4-5
But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
The fulness of time ordained by God has come, and living in the past as you do deviates from the Gospel.

Sabbath was ordained from the beginning and Jesus declared it made for man. (Geneses 2:8 and mark 2:27).

We had a whole thread (Why not Jesus?) where you showed that you simply can't tell how these two verses you cited demonstrate that the sabbath didn't exist until long after God's rest recorded in the Genesis record. Jesus plainly stated the sabbath was made for man, antithetical to God's rest that we have entered into.

The bible further declares that the Sabbath rest still remains. Heb. 4:
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Did Jesus give us another day?)

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (When did God rest if not on the Sabbath?)

11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. ( We just would not accept the word of God)

Yet from that 'Why not Jesus?' thread you showed you can't tell the difference between God's rest and the sabbath ordained during the life of Moses. You haven't accepted what Hebrews 4 says, for we who believe on Him have entered into His rest, and quotes directly from Genesis 2:2 for God's rest the sabbath didn't provide during its tenure.

Paul kept the Sabbath with the gentles. Act 13:
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

There isn't anything in the above about Paul or the Gentiles keeping the sabbath. Nothing. They chose that day to assemble together, and the record doesn't even acknowledge any of the rites necessary under the Law to keep the sabbath holy. I suppose it matches the Adventist mandate to keep the sabbath unholy, but you aren't going to find support for that anywhere in Scripture.

Why give a command to keep the Sabbath when it was already being kept?

It wasn't.
The sabbath was given only to the children of Israel, and the Gospel is rife with messages describing how we're accounted as adopted children of the Living God. It is God speaking as recorded by the Law that limits who was charged with the sabbath, and you've already shown that what God says doesn't matter to you.

Again all flesh will worship God on the Sabbath. Isa. 66:23

The same verse acknowledges the same passing of time by the new moon, which you conveniently ignore. Not to mention that you ignore that the verse is describing the passage of time covering continual worship, not limited to a cycle. The next verse shows the viewing of corpses that Adventist theology conveniently doesn't want anyone noticing, too. As a matter of fact, the way you reduce the whole Bible to a few sound bites in contextual ignorance shows us that your message is dependent on not reading the Bible.

That and how you simply can't answer basic questions presented to you is your whole reason for life. It is a sad departure from the Gospel that doesn't garner acceptance here among those who aren't as lazy as you wish they were.

 

[GenemZ]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
If the Lord has not sanctify you, you don't have worry about the Sabbath!
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Firstly there is really only one covenant. The principle remain the same. The so call new covenant have nothing to do with changing the rules but was because the first was broken by men.

2 Timothy 2:14-15
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Keep reminding people of this, and charge them solemnly
before the Lord not to engage in word-battles. They accomplish
nothing useful and are a catastrophe for the hearers! Be diligent
to present yourself approved to Godas a workman who does
not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

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You are working your computer on the Sabbath! That is not even close to doing the equivalent of plucking corn on the Sabbath. You live in denial. You are a being a workman on the Sabbath!

You are being totally contrary, and even an instigator against what that passage commands us all.

Be diligent to present yourself approved to Godas a workman
who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling
the word of truth.



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Not only will you be ashamed when you stand before the Lord if you do not come to your senses. What you are now doing? Is shameful.

not to engage in word-battles. They accomplish
nothing useful and are a catastrophe for the hearers!


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That's all you ever do! Word-battles that you keep on spinning away from what is true!

 

[from scratch]

Firstly, you didn't answer my question.
Secondly, you just denied the new covenant Christianity exists within.
Why are you posting on a Christian forum if you've rejected the basic tenets of Christianity?

Evangelism.

 

[GenemZ]

No, it isn't there. The evidence contrary to the Law has never been provided by you. Those of us who know the Law sufficiently to accept its limited jurisdiction and tenure know full well that you're blowing smoke with no substance. That same vacuum continues in the suppositions you listed below.

Ephesians 4:17-19. Negative volition toward doctrine puts scar tissue on the soul, and that opens up a vacuum (Greek: mataiotes) and lets in “doctrines of demons.” And when you have scar tissue on the soul you are going to have something accompanying it — emotional revolt of the soul (Satan’s counterfeit to the filling of the Holy Spirit).


http://lessons.katycommunitychurch....pistle-of-peter/364-lesson-16-i-peter-3-13-14

 

[from scratch]

I am asking you! You are the one telling me what I should or should not be doing on the Sabbath.

Just maybe he can read and understand.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Evangelism.

I'm glad they are evangelizing... because so far here from what I have seen their arguments are pretty lame not compelling or honest even such that anyone reading them and the counter arguments and the refusal to reply to many of the counter arguments shows the weakness of it all.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Just maybe he can read and understand.

I find it ironic the MJ forums are pretty dead on the Sabbath must be they have a different idea what is allowed.