What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[GenemZ]

It is not that at all. God inspired the writing of the bible. Men were moved by the Holy Spirit to convey God's messages but when it came to the Ten commandments God spoke it Himself first and then He wrote it Himself.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN STONE TODAY. MEN HAD TO COPY IT... ARE YOU SURE YOU REALLY HAVE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?
YOU CAN NOT BE SURE. MAYBE THERE WAS ONLY NINE ON THE ORIGINAL. MAYBE, ONLY EIGHT. DID MAN ADD TO IT?

 

[GenemZ]

We all came out of Spiritual Egypt, but most of all the Lord IS MY GOD.

So,then, where are our SPIRITUAL commandments?


Don't you remember reading?

Hebrews 10:1

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.



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You know how silly someone who tries to follow the Law looks to someone who is filled with the Holy Spirit and Truth? Primitive. Like a native living in darkness worshiping idols. Its so backwards and useless in the day when men should be walking empowered by God the Holy Spirit causing that person to develop in them the mind of Christ.



Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not covet?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not commit adultery?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall shall honor your father and mother?


WELL... DID HE!?

We have been given the mind of Christ! Not the Law! That is.. if you have the Holy Spirit empowering you! We are to be spiritual. Not by Law! We are to be a new creation in Christ not needing the Law! The Law is for unbelievers and apostates only!


Now.. If you have to follow those rules consciously? You have not the Spirit working and enabling in you!

Galatians 5:18

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
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Your desire to follow the Ten Commandments reveals that most likely you need to be born again. You are only religious. It appears that you are a very religious type person by nature Its warning to you about needing to be saved. God was not pleased with those he was forced to give the Ten Commandments to! Most died off in the wilderness and never entered the Promised Land.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
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Why are you still under the Law then? WHY!

 

[Sophrosyne]

So,then, where are our SPIRITUAL commandments?


Don't you remember reading?

Hebrews 10:1

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.



​

You know how silly someone who tries to follow the Law looks to someone who is filled with the Holy Spirit and Truth? Primitive. Like a native living in darkness worshiping idols. Its so backwards and useless in the day when men should be walking empowered by God the Holy Spirit causing that person to develop in them the mind of Christ.



Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not covet?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not commit adultery?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall shall honor your father and mother?


WELL... DID HE!?

We have been given the mind of Christ! Not the Law! That is.. if you have the Holy Spirit empowering you! We are to be spiritual. Not by Law! We are to be a new creation in Christ not needing the Law! The Law is for unbelievers and apostates only!


Now.. If you have to follow those rules consciously? You have not the Spirit working and enabling in you!

Galatians 5:18

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
​

Your desire to follow the Ten Commandments reveals that most likely you need to be born again. You are only religious. It appears that you are a very religious type person by nature Its warning to you about needing to be saved. God was not pleased with those he was forced to give the Ten Commandments to! Most died off in the wilderness and never entered the Promised Land.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
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Why are you still under the Law then? WHY!

Good luck with this argument, you will end up with this idea that we know how to keep the law in our spirit which to me ends up with me asking why does most believers who never heard of the Sabbath... not be interested in keeping it without being demanded they do so?

 

[from scratch]

So,then, where are our SPIRITUAL commandments?


Don't you remember reading?

Hebrews 10:1

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.



​

You know how silly someone who tries to follow the Law looks to someone who is filled with the Holy Spirit and Truth? Primitive. Like a native living in darkness worshiping idols. Its so backwards and useless in the day when men should be walking empowered by God the Holy Spirit causing that person to develop in them the mind of Christ.



Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not covet?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not commit adultery?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall shall honor your father and mother?


WELL... DID HE!?

We have been given the mind of Christ! Not the Law! That is.. if you have the Holy Spirit empowering you! We are to be spiritual. Not by Law! We are to be a new creation in Christ not needing the Law! The Law is for unbelievers and apostates only!


Now.. If you have to follow those rules consciously? You have not the Spirit working and enabling in you!

Galatians 5:18

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
​

Your desire to follow the Ten Commandments reveals that most likely you need to be born again. You are only religious. It appears that you are a very religious type person by nature Its warning to you about needing to be saved. God was not pleased with those he was forced to give the Ten Commandments to! Most died off in the wilderness and never entered the Promised Land.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
​

Why are you still under the Law then? WHY!

He even believes that God (Jesus) could sin.

 

[GenemZ]

Good luck with this argument, you will end up with this idea that we know how to keep the law in our spirit which to me ends up with me asking why does most believers who never heard of the Sabbath... not be interested in keeping it without being demanded they do so?

Just because he gave up and surrendered does not mean we have to. Keep marching in the formation of Christ in you, and shout out to them who are imprisoned behind the barb wired fences.

To give them truth is like throwing them a bolt cutter. The question is... Have they been gone beyond hope in being enslaved by their cowardliness? For we are all in a spiritual warfare. The demons back off on those souls who surrender to false doctrine, thus allowing them a false sense of peace.

Dumb and dull they shall remain to God's life. But, we can keep trying to toss them the means for escape. They fear joining God's true army. For then the battle becomes real in the minds of those who desire to see Christ as He is.

 

[from scratch]

Good luck with this argument, you will end up with this idea that we know how to keep the law in our spirit which to me ends up with me asking why does most believers who never heard of the Sabbath... not be interested in keeping it without being demanded they do so?

One of my sticking point also. If its true then there is no possibility I can be saved according to them. Thus they're wasting their time. I imagine it is also true for most people calling themselves Christians. The simple truth of the matter is they believe we're not true Christians. This means they're evangelizing here against the rules.

 

[GenemZ]

He even believes that God (Jesus) could sin.

Jesus was no different than Adam because of the position of weakness as a man he had entered into. He was able to sin. But did not sin. Adam was able not to sin, but chose to sin. Jesus REVERSED what Adam had placed into motion. And, Jesus went way beyond Adam's temptation. Adam was only about saying "no" to a fruit. Jesus was tempted in every way possible and proved himself worthy to be placed (in his humanity) into the position of being as God over all creation.

Elder is not a problem. Many believers will find themselves with eternal rewards in eternity. Wood, hay, and stubble is all they produce. They chose not to fight the good fight. They remained timid and cowards in the face of the powers of darkness. They are the original liberal politician. Always being pushed into self destructiveness while believing they are doing good.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus was no different than Adam because of the position of weakness as a man he had entered into. He was able to sin. But did not sin. Adam was able not to sin, but chose to sin. Jesus REVERSED what Adam had placed into motion. And, Jesus went way beyond Adam's temptation. Adam was only about saying "no" to a fruit. Jesus was tempted in every way possible and proved himself worthy to be placed (in his humanity) into the position of being as God over all creation.

Elder is not a problem. Many believers will find themselves with eternal rewards in eternity. Wood, hay, and stubble is all they produce. They chose not to fight the good fight. They remained timid and cowards in the face of the powers of darkness. They are the original liberal politician. Always being pushed into self destructiveness while believing they are doing good.

Jesus is from the seed of woman - not man (Adam). Inheritance is always passed through the male. Thus Jesus didn't inherit the sin nature. God is the Father of Jesus. If Jesus was the product of man then the argument other religions present is true man can indeed become God. God (Jesus) took on the form of man and not man becoming God. It was and is still a major problem for Jews to this day. The problem is recorded in the Gospels.

Elder may very well be a Christian. However his theology disagrees with the Bible. It says very clearly one must make a choice between the law and grace. To choose the law is to void the application of grace per Gal 5:4.

 

[Sophrosyne]

One of my sticking point also. If its true then there is no possibility I can be saved according to them. Thus they're wasting their time. I imagine it is also true for most people calling themselves Christians. The simple truth of the matter is they believe we're not true Christians. This means they're evangelizing here against the rules.

Well we know that some are evangelists when they start threads with baited topics and imply things that would make a Christian doubt their salvation without essentially following their (and their organizations) beliefs. They are such a minority that one would almost end up joining their church to get any help with their salad bar doctrine.

 

[Sophrosyne]

He even believes that God (Jesus) could sin.

I think there has to be a possibility (a choice given to sin) to Jesus because the Bible says he was tempted but I believe it is against God's nature to sin so I'm on both sides of the argument. I think the sticking point is that Jesus was righteous before the Law existed and didn't need it to prove his own righteousness instead he kept it on behalf of all of those obligated to keep it (Jews) so they could obtain salvation and be freed from the bondage of trying to keep a law that they couldn't keep thus they would never be saved through it but through Jesus himself.

 

[from scratch]

I think there has to be a possibility (a choice given to sin) to Jesus because the Bible says he was tempted but I believe it is against God's nature to sin so I'm on both sides of the argument. I think the sticking point is that Jesus was righteous before the Law existed and didn't need it to prove his own righteousness instead he kept it on behalf of all of those obligated to keep it (Jews) so they could obtain salvation and be freed from the bondage of trying to keep a law that they couldn't keep thus they would never be saved through it but through Jesus himself.

Yes God could have made a choice to bow to satan. And its a choice a man had to make. God as a man chose God as a master rather than satan. Jesus clearly told satan not to tempt Him as God. God already owned by virtue of creation everything satan offered the man - Jesus the Christ also God. God is the only true sovereign doing as He wills.

 

[GenemZ]

Jesus is from the seed of woman - not man (Adam). Inheritance is always passed through the male. Thus Jesus didn't inherit the sin nature.

Sin entered the world through Adam's seed. From then on it has been the male who passes down the sin nature in reproduction, not the woman's ovum. That is why Jesus could not have a human father. The sin nature is found in the flesh. Its a biological disorder. Jesus was born without a human father so that his body would be free of the sin nature.

God is the Father of Jesus.

God is the one who produced from the ovum of Mary the needed genetic materials in order to fertilize and produce an embryo producing a perfect human body devoid of the sin nature.

If Jesus was the product of man then the argument other religions present is true man can indeed become God. God (Jesus) took on the form of man and not man becoming God. It was and is still a major problem for Jews to this day. The problem is recorded in the Gospels.

Man could no more become God than Adam could in his state before his fall. Its a fallacious argument. To think man could become God, would be to say Adam was God until he fell. Man is man. God is God.

Elder may very well be a Christian. However his theology disagrees with the Bible. It says very clearly one must make a choice between the law and grace. To choose the law is to void the application of grace per Gal 5:4.

I believe God wants to expose his strong drive for religious expression (like the unbeliever pharisees had) and making him aware of it. Then its possible for him to have his eyes opened by God (not us) and save him from the error of walking after his flesh, not the Spirit.

 

[Elder 111]

Not according to..... Jer 31

What does Jeremiah 31 say that negates that?

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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[Elder 111]

Please quote it again. I didn't see where you quoted Paul.

Post 452.

 

[GenemZ]

Yes God could have made a choice to bow to satan.

Its impossible for God to bow down to Satan, anymore than you finding cow dung appetizing.

I believer you have blurred the distinctions within Christ. You need to stop deifying the human side of Christ. Jesus had to walk as a man, not God. He was fully aware of who he had been before the Incarnation (in the form of God in Heaven), but in order to fulfill God's plan for man's redemption he had to remain as a man in order to die in your place. Why? God could no more die in your place, than the symbolic use of animals in sacrifices for sin. Only a man (without sin) could die for all men who are sinners.

Jesus faced all temptations as a man. Not as God.

Hebrews 4:14-15
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Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,
Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do
not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses,
but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are
—yet he did not sin.



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When God wanted to became as a man through His Son, He became as a man! Not as something that was sort-of like a man.

 

[GenemZ]

What does Jeremiah 31 say that negates that?

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord,I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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Welcome to the Millennial reign of Christ! Israel will once again be the people of God on earth.

 

[Elder 111]

Spiritualizing literal Words from God when He declared the covenant from Mount Sinai to a specific people He delivered from Egyptian bondage has become your means to reject what God spoke. In addition to this, calling yourself something other than God's adopted child makes your second claim more than a little suspect. Galatians 4:30 already showed that your claim of retention under the covenant from Mount Sinai denies you any claim to eternal life with the Heir, and continuing to ignore the basic tenets of Christianity doesn't resolve this.

Are you also saying that those of the "old covenant" are not and can not be saved? That if I keep God holy Ten Commandments I will not be save? That if I obey the very first one, that is to worship God only, I will be denied the pleasure and privilege of worshiping Him forever?

 

[GenemZ]

Are you also saying that those of the "old covenant" are not and can not be saved? That if I keep God holy Ten Commandments I will not be save?

Abraham was saved by believing in the Lord. He did not have the Ten Commandments.

How can keeping the Ten Commandments entitle you access to Heaven? How does it grant you the righteousness that God demands for such access?

 

[Elder 111]

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN STONE TODAY. MEN HAD TO COPY IT... ARE YOU SURE YOU REALLY HAVE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?
YOU CAN NOT BE SURE. MAYBE THERE WAS ONLY NINE ON THE ORIGINAL. MAYBE, ONLY EIGHT. DID MAN ADD TO IT?

You know you are being ridiculous here? If you are going down that road I suggest you forget the bible all together.
We know that you have come to a truth that you can not deny and instead of accepting the truth you try to evade it. Calm down, it is God's word and truth accept it.

 

[Elder 111]

So,then, where are our SPIRITUAL commandments?

Romans 7:
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Don't you remember reading?

Hebrews 10:1

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.



​

You know how silly someone who tries to follow the Law looks to someone who is filled with the Holy Spirit and Truth? Primitive. Like a native living in darkness worshiping idols. Its so backwards and useless in the day when men should be walking empowered by God the Holy Spirit causing that person to develop in them the mind of Christ.



Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not covet?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall not commit adultery?

Did Jesus have to be commanded... "Thou shall shall honor your father and mother?


WELL... DID HE!?

The ten Commandments are not Shadows! It is a shadow to worship God alone? Is it a shadow not to steal? Is it a shadow not covet? Adultery is a shadow of what?
Jesus (as part of the God Head) gave the Ten Commandments no one had to command Him, it was of Him.

We have been given the mind of Christ! Not the Law! That is.. if you have the Holy Spirit empowering you! We are to be spiritual. Not by Law! We are to be a new creation in Christ not needing the Law! The Law is for unbelievers and apostates only!


Now.. If you have to follow those rules consciously? You have not the Spirit working and enabling in you!

Galatians 5:18

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
​

Your desire to follow the Ten Commandments reveals that most likely you need to be born again. You are only religious. It appears that you are a very religious type person by nature Its warning to you about needing to be saved. God was not pleased with those he was forced to give the Ten Commandments to! Most died off in the wilderness and never entered the Promised Land.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
​

Why are you still under the Law then? WHY!

The Ten Commandments is from the mind of Christ and is of the Holy Spirit.