What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[GenemZ]

Pretty funny genez.

no, make that real funny.

Please bear with me through the conversation. I'm not about to land in a bad place on this subject.

You might understand that Paul, as an Apostle, put himself on the frontlines of spiritual warfare. You might also understand that a good bit of that warfare takes place between our own two ears.

Paul makes a compelling case for that fact. And if so, then these matters were not just about Paul, but also of the adversary to faith. The tempter in mind for christians should be a well known fact. And when THAT fact is on the table, it is quite easy to see 'how Paul' saw that matter, it being not just about 'himself, alone.' But of his/our adversaries in faith.

I doubt very much that you would disagree and it is easily provable by the texts. Is that a slur on you or any believer?

Again, you presume too much. I can come up with what you may be possibly alluding to. Please, stop it! Give chapter and verse. Stop toying and testing. Make your case clear and known. If we agree, then I will know what you are working with.

Please to not jump the cart and presume in my behalf. I take facts from text. The same facts are easily taken by anyone else by simply reading.

I was not presuming. Its called sarcasm. Its you who are presuming that I was presuming. I want you to get off of your high horse and talk to me, not down to me.

On matters of LAW, do you think that more than just mankind are moved into action by THE LAW, the WORD of God?

If I had a background context to work with I would be able to possibly answer you. Stop presuming that I should know what you are thinking. Your wording just equated THE LAW with being all the Word of God. There is Law in the Word of God. But not all of it is Law.

Read Mark 4:15 and the other associated parables in Matthew 13 and Luke 8 and you will readily and instantly see that where The Word is sown, THINGS HAPPEN with Satan/the devil as well.

The Gospel is what was sown. The Gospel is only a segment of the Word. One can not begin to believe most of the word until after you believe the Gospel. Jesus was speaking of those where the Word was being sown onto belief and salvation.

It is on that ground that the behind the scenes activity take place. More than just man move to action in adverse ways against Gods Words.

Why can you not mention about demons and Satan? What's the big deal about your secretiveness?

That's all I can say until you see it. If you can't see it, you can't. But it's a fact regardless.

I really think you are being presumptuous and are acting stupid about this. Are you a new believer? I don't think that is the case. You make it sound like you are new to the realm of Bible doctrine, but are not. That at least would excuse the way you are acting towards me if you were.

Why must you hint about something? You are keeping your light under a bushel basket. Open up! Say what you mean rather than speaking in abstruse ways for once. Rather than acting like I must know what chapter and verses you speak of without telling me what they are? Give them! You give too little. You are acting like the man behind the door at a speakeasy who is wanting to know if I know the password. What is your problem? I am not amused. You're a pain. Not edifying at all.

Satan was meant to resist The Word and Paul both wrote of that fact and layed it on himself in many places in the text. So did John. So did Peter. It's not hard to get all the parties on the table of discussions.

And? How does that connect to this thread?

 

[Elder 111]

Well, mostly because I don't. That was what you did when you tried to misapply Exodus 16 to your 'sabbath test' by changing the tense of all the principle verbs (and recipients) involved.
And you have never supported your claims. Your latest fabrication is as untenable as your previous one.

I don't make up the word of God.

 

[MamaZ]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

WOOT WOOT God has delivered me from the law. I am in Christ, He alone is my King. He has set me free, so I done have to worship Him alone. My idols can sit in my living room.
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Why do you imply them? The Ten Commandments have no jurisdiction over us etc. It either does or it does not. Can't have it both ways.

They have no jurisdiction over us. Jesus fulfilled all of them then He nailed them to the cross with Him Citing it is finished. When we are His we are no longer obligated to the law. He has fulfilled the law even the 10 commandments. Our rest is not in a day but in Him to whom has given His life for us.. For in Him do we have our being and we are raised up to a new creation in Him filled with the Love of God that is shed abroad in our hearts. Love is the fulfilment of every law ever given. If one loves they would do nothing to harm anyone out of spite and revenge or the lusts of their hearts. For we are to die to ouselves and live unto Christ being a living sacrafice for Him. Our rest is completed and no longer in a day. It is in Him the one who came and died and rose from the dead. I rest in Him and that woot woot was for the King of Glory. For He has paid the price and given of His glory to us a sinful people who deserve nothing and could never live according to the law. Surrender to Him is the very answer to the problem of the law and those who promote it and other works to try and make one holy. For no man is Holy no matter what they do. Only one who is Good and it is He who makes us His holy nation and His people. Our works gain us nothing other than rewards. I promote Christ and Him crucified to the saving of our soul. You may want to observe and try to live the law or the 10 and bind yourself with a bondage.. I want to rest in the works of Christ and know that my salvation and righteousness rests on Him the only one who is Holy and righteous and without sin. For even my smallest works are not comparable to His mighty act of Love and Forgivness . Once we grasp that we are but mere helpless human beings in need of a savior we can never grasp what it is Jesus has done for us and then He choosed to dwell in us making us His temple.. Therefore His love is what is to longed for. Not the 10 commandments. For out of His Love for us while we were still dead in our trespasses He died to set us free from it all.

 

[shturt678s]

They have no jurisdiction over us. Jesus fulfilled all of them then He nailed them to the cross with Him Citing it is finished. When we are His we are no longer obligated to the law. He has fulfilled the law even the 10 commandments. Our rest is not in a day but in Him to whom has given His life for us.. For in Him do we have our being and we are raised up to a new creation in Him filled with the Love of God that is shed abroad in our hearts. Love is the fulfilment of every law ever given. If one loves they would do nothing to harm anyone out of spite and revenge or the lusts of their hearts. For we are to die to ouselves and live unto Christ being a living sacrafice for Him. Our rest is completed and no longer in a day. It is in Him the one who came and died and rose from the dead. I rest in Him and that woot woot was for the King of Glory. For He has paid the price and given of His glory to us a sinful people who deserve nothing and could never live according to the law. Surrender to Him is the very answer to the problem of the law and those who promote it and other works to try and make one holy. For no man is Holy no matter what they do. Only one who is Good and it is He who makes us His holy nation and His people. Our works gain us nothing other than rewards. I promote Christ and Him crucified to the saving of our soul. You may want to observe and try to live the law or the 10 and bind yourself with a bondage.. I want to rest in the works of Christ and know that my salvation and righteousness rests on Him the only one who is Holy and righteous and without sin. For even my smallest works are not comparable to His mighty act of Love and Forgivness . Once we grasp that we are but mere helpless human beings in need of a savior we can never grasp what it is Jesus has done for us and then He choosed to dwell in us making us His temple.. Therefore His love is what is to longed for. Not the 10 commandments. For out of His Love for us while we were still dead in our trespasses He died to set us free from it all.

Only missed the Mk.1:15b part, ie, turn from sin part. Plus Rom.3:19, 20, "through law (only) sin's realization."

Combine "He chose to dwell in us making us His sanctuary," ie, not "temple" with all the former and we've got it.

Team player,

Jack

btw most have a fallacious understanding of Biblicial "love" (agape), yet we think we know in Truth?

 

[MamaZ]

Only missed the Mk.1:15b part, ie, turn from sin part. Plus Rom.3:19, 20, "through law (only) sin's realization."

Combine "He chose to dwell in us making us His sanctuary," ie, not "temple" with all the former and we've got it.

Team player,

Jack

btw most have a fallacious understanding of Biblicial "love" (agape), yet we think we know in Truth?

When one is lead to Christ and He indwells us with His Spirit we have turned from Sin. We still have sin in us and we still stumble and fall but He Just and able to forgive us our sins and not only that cleanse us from all unrighteousness. For it is God who causes us to walk His way. It is when we take our eyes off of Him that we stumble and fall.

 

[MamaZ]

Know ye not that you are the temple of God and that His Spirit dwells with in you? For He abides in us..

 

[shturt678s]

The 4 courtyards, pillers, altar, staircase, and the Holy of Holies + Holy Place collectively doesn't dwell within us (ieron), ie, only the naos, the center structure (Holy of Holies + Holy Place that is now "1") indwells the true believer.

Secondly agape is not the object "loved," but the object understood with a higher divine intelligent purpose.

Just another opinion,

Jack

btw paradigm shifts are almost impossible in today's time thus I understand you for a higher divine purpose, ie, I agape you.

 

[VictorC]

I don't make up the word of God.

I detailed why your appeal to Exodus 16:4 doesn't support your contention that there is a 'sabbath test' that we're bound to, and your response was silence. Both before that and in a recent post I showed others how your language aligns with what Ellen White wrote, which is nowhere found in Scripture. She "made up the word of God", and you merely repeated her claim.

What you haven't done is support your 'sabbath test'. If you went through the exercise for yourself, you would discover Ellen's claim to be ficticious, which is why so many of us reject her claim of inspiration.

 

[squint]

Again, you presume too much. I can come up with what you may be possibly alluding to. Please, stop it! Give chapter and verse. Stop toying and testing. Make your case clear and known. If we agree, then I will know what you are working with.

Made a simple observation genez. That it's not just man that is moved to react by the Word of God/the Law/the 10 commandments.

That the tempter does also operate in resistance to the Word of God.

Is this a hard principle to agree on for some reason? Over your theological head?

I say a believer is a sinner and has sin after salvation and you whine about it. I point out that Paul was a sinner, even the chief of same after salvation and you whine about it.

Fundamentals shouldn't be that tough to agree on between the parties.

So what's up wit dat ya tink? Huh?

s

 

[from scratch]

Why don't you say that you reject Ex. 16 and God's words in Verse 4.

One has no need to reject something not addressed to them.

 

[from scratch]

If again you claim no method of turning from sin that would be an untruth. You turn no different than a legalist, formula's notwithstanding.

Trying to suppose your bunch is somehow different is still not working.

I've no need to turn from sin. Sin is no longer my new nature. I've said in the past following the leading of the Holy Spirit is kinda like auto pilot. Most of the time when I'm tempted by the enemy of my soul I just simply say no and rebuke him in the name of Jesus. Then it no longer bothers me.

 

[squint]

I've no need to turn from sin.

QF one of the more absurd statements lately.

 

[from scratch]

That would be particularly true if we believe Jesus' Statements of facts that evil thoughts are evil and they also defile us.

The filter get's cranked exceptionally tight by that measure. Camel and needle eye anyone?

I've proposed that high speed blending of said camel to a sufficiently thin liquid form would allow same to at least pass through said eye...at least one direction

Evil thoughts don't defile anyone until they take possession of them by allowing them into their heart.

 

[squint]

Evil thoughts don't defile anyone until they take possession of them by allowing them into their heart.

Seriously? Come on now. This is pretty basic Bible.

Evil thoughts are A. Evil B. Defiling

Is sin evil? ya think?

Is defilement sin? ya think?

Thoughts of adultery are evilly defiling. They are also of the tempter.

Satan is moved to resist the Law of God, the Word of God. It's not just a question of mankind or of us as individuals.

s

 

[from scratch]

Romans 8:38-39

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present
nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation,
will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Nothing in creation (that includes yourself) can separate you from the Love of God. But, sin can separate us from experiencing it.

My statement isn't a denial of the truth found in the Bible but a response to the post trying to express what was said really means.

God is still loving us while he spanks us for sin we refuse to admit to. Like a father who loves his son, spanks his son for doing wrong.

Certainly!

God has always been merciful. The truth that the Lord is merciful permeates OT scripture. Its God character to be merciful.

Certainly!

The difference between Law and grace, is that Law hinders and squelches sin. Grace empowers and has us walking above sin. Like walking on water. Grace does not mean God quickly forgives us. Grace is real power from God that causes us to walk in power where we can not normally help ourselves in the energy of our flesh.

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The law does no such thing.

2 Corinthians 12:9

But he said to me,“My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Some confuse grace for something it is not... Grace is not mercy. Grace is not forgiveness. Grace is God granting His power to the unworthy, enabling them to function as one who is worthy.

No sir.

We do not deserve to be called worthy in ourselves. God's grace, when accepted, grants us the status of functioning as one who is worthy in God's sight.

So did I say anyone was or could be worthy in themselves or by their own actions? NO! The lawyers do though.

 

[from scratch]

If any attribution of anything results in dishonestly saying we 'have' [present tense] no sin such declarations would seem little more than a present fantasy and a fib against the facts of scripture to boot.

My sin has been taken away and therefore I can truly say I have no sin. That doesn't mean I can say I never sin. It also doesn't mean I can say I never had any sin.

 

[from scratch]

So heaven has a fantasy about our present condition as well?

No fantasy. God has cast my sin out.

 

[squint]

My sin has been taken away and therefore I can truly say I have no sin.

Yeah, I kinda knew you'd get there sooner or later.

That doesn't mean I can say I never sin. It also doesn't mean I can say I never had any sin.

And you don't employ circular logic either.

Try manning up to this reality and be honest with me:

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

This is why it is pointless to judge sin only in external fashions. Evil thoughts are not seen externally. Everyone has them continually. These thoughts are also of the tempter as the tempter is moved to resist the LAW in our minds.

Therefore we are not under the law, but SATAN is. Putting LAW upon ourselves, even after salvation will cause a reaction in our minds just as happened with Paul in Romans 7.

On this basis of fact and reality we can not say we have no sin because the tempter in our minds is a RAVENOUS sinner regardless.

This is also how Paul derived himself as being the chief of sinners after salvation. Believers are attacked MORESO than anyone internally.

s

 

[squint]

No fantasy. God has cast my sin out.

We are all bound to disobedience, to corruption, to weakness, to dishonor and to a natural body.

Not one bit of that is SINLESS. It will be when it is ALL put off and changed.

In the meantime we all suffer the consequences of the facts of our current conditions, regardless of religious fantasy claims.

s

 

[from scratch]

Heaven (God's perspective) sees your cause for sin (your flesh) as having been crucified with Christ. That is why our sins can never condemn us. The problem that sin causes for the believer is that the Holy Spirit can not be one with us in our experience when we fall into sin. Its the cutting us off from the filling of the Spirit that concerns God.

So, when we sin? And, realize we have, and name it to God. God forgives us for having gotten off course with Him. He never condemns us fort our sins. That condemnation was assumed by Christ on the Cross.

Some assume that since our sins have been paid for by Christ bearing the penalty for our sins? (He was forsaken, not us, as he bore being forsaken of God for our sins on the Cross). Some believe since there is no no condemnation? That we have nothing to do to please God.

God freed us from the condemnation so that God could have us freely walk with Him in the Spirit. Its when we now sin that it cuts us off from God's fellowship, discontinuing our walking together.

God quickly forgives our sins as soon as we will admit we sinned (1 John 1:9) ... In doing so? We have agreed with each other, that such an act is is sin, and we are able to begin walking together in the filling of the Spirit once more!

Amos 3:3

Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

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When we now sin, we confess that sin to God (1 John 1:9).. and once a believer does? he stands in agreement with God on what is sin. Two are then agreed! Commence walking together..


That is why our sins are still an issue, but no longer able to be any cause for our condemnation. Its no longer a legal matter, but a matter of relationship as in a family matter.