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Woodrow, when did you kill all those people?

And all this time, I thought you were just a nice old man.

Shucks, I'm still waiting to be accused of committing suicide bombings. According to some people I should be doing at least one a day.

To listen to some folks Muslims should be extinct or we get resurrected after each suicide.

Before any one beats me to it.

A suicide bomber blows himself up and goes to heaven,

He is immediately greeted by a group of men, they come up to him and start introducing themselves.

"Hi, I'm Thomas Jefferson"

"Hi, I'm George Washington"

"Hi, I'm Jim Bowie"

He looks confused and somebody says "You did know suicide bombers get greeted by 72 Virginians"
 
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A suicide bomber blows himself up and goes to heaven,

He is immediately greeted by a group of men, they come up to him and start introducing themselves.

"Hi, I'm Thomas Jefferson"

"Hi, I'm George Washington"

"Hi, I'm Jim Bowie"

He looks confused and somebody says "You did know suicide bombers get greeted by 72 Virginians"

ROFL!

:D
 
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Telling the truth about Muhammad is not being full of hatred. It is just being honest.

Whatever your twisted imagination may think about Muhammad to say I'm going to murder your informant is a lie.

To say Woodrow here is out killing people is an even bigger lie.

And oh yeah, Ishraqiyyun is a Muslim.

To say the Black Stone is a vagina and associate it with a Greek goddess and a Sanskrit Yoni is the biggest lie of all.

"Whoever conceals hatred with lying lips and spreads slander is a fool."
Proverbs 10:18
 
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I disagree. Nothing can be worst than Islam. Look at the way in which Muhammad's soldiers treated old people:

She was a very old woman, wife of Malik. Her daughter [and another] were also taken. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly by putting a rope between her legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two). (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 980)

I am sure that old pagans were more merciful than this.


What's the context? Who was this old woman, and what had she done?
And no, they weren't. They really weren't. Some of their practises made the barbarism of the Aztecs seem almost sane.
 
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Right, you accuse me of wanting to try and murder someone when you don't even know me and you want to tell me you are not full of hatred.

Sorry, your source is as 'reliable and knowledgeable' as you are, which means a total hate-filled, sex-obsessed ignoramus.

We know you. That's enough evidence for us that Christians can be full of hatred.

LOL. As if you are any authority on who is reliable and knowledgeable when it comes to Islam.

So who is this guy? What's his name, and what are his credentials?
The only evidence he provides is that it looks like a vagina to his dirty mind.

Anyhow, now we know where you are getting your porn from. Same place as everyone else, websites and videos.

Talk about pouring cold water on Crypto's sexual fantasies!

In my opinion only the dirtiest of minds would have turned this into a vagina in the first place. That's why I find Crypto and his ilk so disgusting.

I do expect a mod to ban you permanently for this nonsense.
 
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Whatever your twisted imagination may think about Muhammad to say I'm going to murder your informant is a lie.

To say Woodrow here is out killing people is an even bigger lie.

And oh yeah, Ishraqiyyun is a Muslim.

To say the Black Stone is a vagina and associate it with a Greek goddess and a Sanskrit Yoni is the biggest lie of all.

"Whoever conceals hatred with lying lips and spreads slander is a fool."
Proverbs 10:18

I never said Woodrow killed people. I was referring myself to Islam in general. I am not propagating slander, I am stating historical facts. Islam is a violent creed with a political side that no other religion has. It is intolerant and it has caused the death of thousands (perhaps millions) of innocent people. Anyways, the Bible says that we shouldn't throw our pearls to the pigs. Enjoy the wide road.
 
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What's the context? Who was this old woman, and what had she done?
And no, they weren't. They really weren't. Some of their practises made the barbarism of the Aztecs seem almost sane.

Good question as that story only appears in Hisham's version of Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad(saws) It is not known if it was in Ishaq's original works.
 
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What's the context? Who was this old woman, and what had she done?
And no, they weren't. They really weren't. Some of their practises made the barbarism of the Aztecs seem almost sane.

That woman was the chief of an Arab tribe. Her daughter was taken captive after her mother was dismembered. Once I read, although I can't find the source now, that before she died this old woman said that she had never seen anyone as cruel as Muhammad in her whole life, and she was one of the oldest persons in the Arabian peninsula.

Islam is worst than the old pagan religions because it is easy to tell that the old pagan religions were ungodly. Islam, on the other hand, is fooling millions (billions, in fact). Countless people is being led to hell by the teachings of Muhammad, which are Satan's creed wrapped in false piety. No pagan religion had been able to deceive as many as Islam has deceived. You know, it is funny because even the demons say that they love the Qur'an. I was reading the story of an Islamic exorcist the other day, and this guy once asked a demon about the Qur'an, and the demon replied:"I love it". The Islamic exorcist didn't catch the message, but it is clear to everyone who has eyes to see: Islam is the way in which Satan is causing the spiritual death of millions.
 
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I never said Woodrow killed people. I was referring myself to Islam in general. I am not propagating slander, I am stating historical facts. Islam is a violent creed with a political side that no other religion has. It is intolerant and it has caused the death of thousands (perhaps millions) of innocent people. Anyways, the Bible says that we shouldn't throw our pearls to the pigs. Enjoy the wide road.

Sadly every religion has those claiming to be adherents, but disobey. I can find atrocities done by people claiming to be Muslim, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Sikh, Druze, Yazidi and Hindu.

That is not prove that any of those promote atrocities and/or violence.

As to a political side of religion?

Conduct a poll and see how many Americans will tell you America is a Christian Nation based on Christian Principles.
 
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Sadly every religion has those claiming to be adherents, but disobey. I can find atrocities done by people claiming to be Muslim, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Sikh, Druze, Yazidi and Hindu.

That is not prove that any of those promote atrocities and/or violence.

As to a political side of religion?

Conduct a poll and see how many Americans will tell you America is a Christian Nation based on Christian Principles.

The difference is that Islamic violence is encouraged by a correct interpretation of the Islamic sacred texts. Unlike most major religions, Islam teaches violence and intolerance. People find it hard to believe, but it is evident from the Qur'an and the hadith, especially if you understand the principle of abrogation (naskh), according to which the peaceful verses of Islam (by the way, the most peaceful verse in the Qur'an is a plagiarism from the Jewish Midrash Rabba) were abrogated by the latter, more violent verses. The last revealed Sura is Sura 9 (the Qur'an is not arranged in chronological order), which is the most violent Sura in the Qur'an.

America is not a theocracy. By the way, Obama is a Sunni Muslim. It think this should be obvious to everyone by now.
 
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What's the context? Who was this old woman, and what had she done?
And no, they weren't. They really weren't. Some of their practises made the barbarism of the Aztecs seem almost sane.

This is the account from the books of seerah:

Zayd & a number of other companions of the Prophet, may Allaah be pleased with them, were on a trading expedition. While they were traveling, a tribe attacked, killing several companions, wounding Zayd so much so that he had to be carried off by others, and took off with their merchandise. The leader of this tribe was Umm Qirfa - and she was also plotting to have the Prophet Muhammad killed. So after he was better, Zayd was sent back to the tribe to deliver a counter-attack. He killed Umm Qirfa in the said method (the method appears to be unIslaamic, but the fact that he killed her was not).

Truth about Killing of Umm Qirfa
 
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That woman was the chief of an Arab tribe. Her daughter was taken captive after her mother was dismembered. Once I read, although I can't find the source now, that before she died this old woman said that she had never seen anyone as cruel as Muhammad in her whole life, and she was one of the oldest persons in the Arabian peninsula.

Islam is worst than the old pagan religions because it is easy to tell that the old pagan religions were ungodly. Islam, on the other hand, is fooling millions (billions, in fact). Countless people is being led to hell by the teachings of Muhammad, which are Satan's creed wrapped in false piety. No pagan religion had been able to deceive as many as Islam has deceived. You know, it is funny because even the demons say that they love the Qur'an. I was reading the story of an Islamic exorcist the other day, and this guy once asked a demon about the Qur'an, and the demon replied:"I love it". The Islamic exorcist didn't catch the message, but it is clear to everyone who has eyes to see: Islam is the way in which Satan is causing the spiritual death of millions.

You may not know it, but Muslims do not believe in Demons.

We do believe in Djinn a life form separate from Humans and angels. They have very Human like qualities, in that they have free will and can be good or evil. the evil Djinn like evil humans are Shaitan. (Satan)

We do believe human's can be possessed by Djinn. But the Djinn are not demons.
 
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No, I'm actually a Christian now. There were I few years I identified as Muslim but I never really practiced the faith. I was more just a person who was in love with Sufi poetry. I grew up Christian and it seems a better fit. Unfortunately I'm such an unorthodox Christian I have trouble finding a Church. I'm more a fan of the old time Gnostic heretics especially the Sethians and Valentenians than I am any of the mainstream denominations.
 
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Thanks, brother. I reported her because she keeps making personal remarks. It is not my style to report people, but she was behaving in an excessively uncivilized manner.

You report someone for posting personal comments when you accused the same person of being willing to murder someone on no grounds whatsoever? That's an unfounded personal attack if I've ever seen one. None of her posts referenced or implied violence. At least the sexual fantasy comment was based on your actual post that constantly references kissing goddesses private parts.
 
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You may not know it, but Muslims do not believe in Demons.

We do believe in Djinn a life form separate from Humans and angels. They have very Human like qualities, in that they have free will and can be good or evil. the evil Djinn like evil humans are Shaitan. (Satan)

We do believe human's can be possessed by Djinn. But the Djinn are not demons.

Your religion is a false religion. What you believe about Satan and his demons is irrelevant. Sorry for saying it so bluntly, but it is the truth.
 
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You report someone for posting personal comments when you accused the same person of being willing to murder someone on no grounds whatsoever? That's an unfounded personal attack if I've ever seen one. None of her posts referenced or implied violence. At least the sexual fantasy comment was based on your actual post that constantly references kissing goddesses private parts.

Are you also angry because I said that your stone is a pagan idol and your prophet a child molester? You can't deny what's evident.
 
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The difference is that Islamic violence is encouraged by a correct interpretation of the Islamic sacred texts. Unlike most major religions, Islam teaches violence and intolerance. People find it hard to believe, but it is evident from the Qur'an and the hadith, especially if you understand the principle of abrogation (naskh), according to which the peaceful verses of Islam (by the way, the most peaceful verse in the Qur'an is a plagiarism from the Jewish Midrash Rabba) were abrogated by the latter, more violent verses. The last revealed Sura is Sura 9 (the Qur'an is not arranged in chronological order), which is the most violent Sura in the Qur'an.

America is not a theocracy. By the way, Obama is a Sunni Muslim. It think this should be obvious to everyone by now.

I agree America is not a Theocracy, but you will find many people who believe it is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles.

I am aware the Qur'an is not arraigned in chronological order and that there are Violent Ayyat but when read in context I still can not find anyplace the Qur'an commands violence or aggression towards anyone.

The Qur'an is 114 separate revelations. There is no importance of their order. The current arraignment is for eaze of learning to memorize it.

While we can not say who is not a Muslim, Obama has done acts that would cast doubt on his being a Muslim Such as:

Drinking what appears to be beer

Obamadrinkingbooze-2.jpeg~original


Wearing what Appears to be a Gold Ring (Look closely at his Ring finger)

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Praying in front of a cross

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For a Muslim to do any of those things is sufficient to condemn a Muslim to Hellfire

Fortunately for Obama he is not a Muslim and does not know better. I believe Allaah(swt) will take that into consideration when judging him for these sins.

He was baptized in the UCC United Church of Christ, but currently claims to be an unaffiliated Christian.

  1. Barack Obama – unaffiliated Christian
  2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...f_the_United_States#cite_note-miller.Obama-95
    • Obama's resignation from Trinity United Church of Christ in the course of the Jeremiah Wright controversy ended more than 20 years
    • of affiliation with the United Church of Christ.
    • As President he has attended several different Christian churches.
    • For the most part, he has attended Methodist churches.

SOURCE
 
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