No new Mosques?

[smaneck]

Allat or Al-lat is a well known goddess from Mecca. This is the reason why they kiss that black stone.

I don't suppose you could come up with some evidence from a respected academic scholars instead of a bunch of hack bloggers?

By the way, when the Muslims walk around the Ka'bah they don't use any underwear,

Sex and underwear, that's all you can think of.

since they need to be naked,

Psst. If they are wearing outerwear, they are not naked.

http://www.spa.gov.sa/galupload/normal/117805_1351077894_9347.jpg

 

[smaneck]

Muslims seldom admit that they are Muslims if they are engaged in cultural jihad, as she is. Cultural jihad is the spread of Islam in the non-Islamic world. It is like preaching, but it is not exactly the same, since when you are engaged in cultural jihad it is OK for you to lie about any topic and even about you being a Muslim. They are allowed to do so because they have a concept called Taqqiya:

LOL. It's taqiyya not taqqiya and it has nothing to do with waging a 'cultural jihad.' It was something that was practiced by some Muslims to avoid persecution by other Muslims.

"Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them."

Who are you quoting?

Taqiyyih refers to the practice concealing one's belief in order to avoid persecution. Such behavior is usually associated with Shi'ites who frequently lived among a hostile Sunni majority. The Baha'i Faith does have Shi'ite origins, but taqiyyih is prohibited in our religion. Usually taqiyyih involves nothing more than a Shi'ite assuming prayer positions of Sunni Muslims while performing obligatory prayers publicly. During the medieval period of Islamic history taqiyyih came to be practiced by philosophers and mystics as well as Shi'ites in order to protect themselves against persecution on the part of the more bigoted ulama. To my knowledge it has never been practiced by jihadists, whether cultural or otherwise.

But don't let me disturb your prejudices with the facts.

 

[smaneck]

God said that a tree can be known by its fruits.

That's true. And what fruits have you shown us here by your sex-obsessed behavior?

You, Muslims, kill other people because of their religion, you molest little children because your prophet did it before you,

What Muslim here has killed anyone? What Muslim here has molested a child? What we've seen of you and your Christianity is your perverted obsession with vaginas.

 

[smaneck]

Most may want to impose their religion if that were to ever become possible- but that's an assumption on my part- I admit (admittedly based on what certain vocal groups within Islam say- but an assumption nonetheless).

I suggest you check out the following:

Inside Islam: What a Billion Muslims Really Think | Watch Free Documentary Online

Of course, your friend will say it is all taqiyya which is a good excuse for ignoring what they say about themselves and imagining whatever his vagina-obsessed mind wants to believe.

 

[BlunderAngel]

Muslims have always been the underclass within the Soviet Empire. It was inevitable as soon as Russia began moving eastward in the 16th century. Had the old Soviet Union remained together Muslims would now make up the majority of the population. They already made up the bulk of the military before it split up.

That is an interesting claim. One would think there would not be an issue of too few mosques in Russia now if that were the case.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

You, Muslims, kill other people because of their religion, you molest little children because your prophet did it

You do know that Smaneck isn't a Muslim right? Someone else already pointed that out to you. How do you know she kills people or molest children too did you examine her life over the internet? It looks like you are just throwing out wild charges.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Harping on supposed widespread "taqqiyah" is a common Islam bashing theme. It lets people ignore what actual Muslims say about their religion thus giving critical outsiders free reign to invent their own Islam so as to make all sorts of charges against Muslims. There is no legitmate threat of execution or severe persecution over the web on a forum that would traditionally be grounds for even using dissimulation. Taqqiyah was commonly used by Shi'ite minorities like the Ismaili for example to avoid being Martyred in states that outlawed their religion. They might pretend to by orthodox sunnis so as to not loose their head. To pretend that this somehow applies to some Muslims or Bahais (who aren't even Muslims) talking about Islam on this forum is silly.

 

[smaneck]

That is an interesting claim. One would think there would not be an issue of too few mosques in Russia now if that were the case.

As I said, Muslims were always the underclass. That means oppression is nothing new for them.

 

[smaneck]

To pretend that this somehow applies to some Muslims or Bahais (who aren't even Muslims) talking about Islam on this forum is silly.

But it does serve his puerile sexual fantasies.

 

[Crypto]

The second link is an extreme anti-Islamic website that stoops at nothing including there own version of Taqqiyya in pretending to be an Islamic site.

At the bottom of the the page you posted the link to, You can find a link to their home page or click HERE

Yes the group "The Religion of Peace" does practice Taqqiyyah and they should be hated and despised for doing so, Click on their Home page and decide if they are Muslim.

As for the First Link, I hope you agree with what it calls Jihad as it is how most Muslims see Jihad.

From your Link



If you have not done so I suggest you read all 23 pages of the first link.

Firstly, that first website is not anti-Islamic. It is just a website that shows the truth about your heinous and murderous religion. Everything they say is buttressed by your "holy" texts. Secondly, you should learn to lie better if you are going to wage cultural jihad against us. The passage that you cited (from the second link) is what the author calls "misunderstandings about Jihad". Then, almost immediately, he proceeds to explain what Jihad really means:

"What does Jihad Actually Mean?

If Islam is a “Religion”, and Muslims are a “Nation”, according to the commonly accepted understandings of these terms, then Jihad - despite the fact that it has been dignified with the title “The Best of all Prayers” in Islam - becomes a meaningless and useless term. But Islam is not the name of a mere “Religion”, nor is Muslim the title of a “Nation”. The truth is that Islam is a revolutionary ideology which seeks to alter the social order of the entire world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. “Muslims” is the title of that “International Revolutionary Party” organized by Islam to carry out its revolutionary programme. “Jihad” refers to that revolutionary struggle and utmost exertion which the Islamic Nation/Party brings into play in order to achieve this objective."

http://www.teachislam.com/dmdocumen...Fi_Sabilillah_Translated_by_Khurram_Murad.pdf

I invite everyone to read this link and see how Muslims lie in order to conceal their true goal: the suppression of all other religions and forms of government.

Someone said that Taqqiya is used only to avoid persecution. That's not true. Here we have a nice example of Taqiyya/kitman:

Egyptian Cleric Mahmoud Al-Masri Recommends Tricking Jews into Becoming Muslims - YouTube

 

[Crypto]

But it does serve his puerile sexual fantasies.

What's the problem? Are you mad because I am exposing how false your true religion (Islam) is? Here enjoy this:

'Aisha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (May peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims)." (Sahih Muslim 8:3421)

This is about sucking the nipples of women (one of the joyous teachings of Islam). Where is this verse now? Why is it not found in the Qur'an? Because the Qur'an has been tampered with. Actually, Aisha herself said that a sheep ate the page in which this Sura was written. It seems that Allah cannot protect his word from a sheep.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Firstly, that first website is not anti-Islamic. It is just a website that shows the truth about your heinous and murderous religion. Everything they say is buttressed by your "holy" texts. Secondly, you should learn to lie better if you are going to wage cultural jihad against us. The passage that you cited (from the second link) is what the author calls "misunderstandings about Jihad". Then, almost immediately, he proceeds to explain what Jihad really means:

"What does Jihad Actually Mean?

If Islam is a “Religion”, and Muslims are a “Nation”, according to the commonly accepted understandings of these terms, then Jihad - despite the fact that it has been dignified with the title “The Best of all Prayers” in Islam - becomes a meaningless and useless term. But Islam is not the name of a mere “Religion”, nor is Muslim the title of a “Nation”. The truth is that Islam is a revolutionary ideology which seeks to alter the social order of the entire world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. “Muslims” is the title of that “International Revolutionary Party” organized by Islam to carry out its revolutionary programme. “Jihad” refers to that revolutionary struggle and utmost exertion which the Islamic Nation/Party brings into play in order to achieve this objective."

http://www.teachislam.com/dmdocumen...Fi_Sabilillah_Translated_by_Khurram_Murad.pdf

I invite everyone to read this link and see how Muslims lie in order to conceal their true goal: the suppression of all other religions and forms of government.

Someone said that Taqqiya is used only to avoid persecution. That's not true. Here we have a nice example of Taqiyya/kitman:

Egyptian Cleric Mahmoud Al-Masri Recommends Tricking Jews into Becoming Muslims - YouTube

I did not say "that first website is anti-Islamic." it is an Islamic site as best as I can tell. While it is true Maududi appears to have Salafi leanings I can not find anything in that 23 page booklet were he promotes violence. Yes he does propose a very strict interpretation of Khalifate, but no where is he suggesting it be gained through violence.

I did say the second link is an anti-Islamic site and the bottom of their page gives their home page.

As a Muslim I do wish the entire world was Muslim but I also want that end to be the result of free choice. I do believe that with the coming of the Next Caliphate the entire world will accept Islam, but that will not happen until Jesus(as) returns and defeats the Anti-Christ. (The Dajjal)

I do urge all to read the 23 pages and make their own decisions as to if Maududi is promoting violence.

As for your link about the youtube of Mahmoud Al-Masri. I am having difficulty taking him seriously. I notice that is a 1 minute excerpt. It would be interesting to see the entire speech to see where he stands.

I think a lot has been left out. I doubt if he actually advocates any Muslim do that. Sounds like he was making an attempt at humor. But I can not say without seeing the entire speech.

I can not think of any Sunni seriously advocating that approach to convert anyone.

 

[Zoness]

I feel sad about the Church leadership Russians have been stuck with. The KGB totally infiltrated the Church under Soviet rule. Putin (former KGB) has been happy to keep up the old relations. Church leadership at the higher levels is just politics now. All about power and influence. It's a shame. Prior to the revolution there was actually a real tradition of holiness and saintliness. It still lives on in a few quarters (especially among the monastics) but for the most part worldly people have taken over. Now it's just a big business and power broker.

Sorry I lost track of this post in the slew of other threads happening.

Generally speaking, I think that Russian Orthodox outside of Russia are better off since the political structure of their church doesn't influence the politics of their new country the same way. The only facts that appear to me are that the church has been infiltrated and is a mouth piece for anti-human rights policy in Russia.

 

[smaneck]

Actually, Aisha herself said that a sheep ate the page in which this Sura was written. It seems that Allah cannot protect his word from a sheep.

You forget, my 'take' on Islam is Shi'ite and Shi'ites don't regard Aisha as a credible source.

 

[Crypto]

I did not say "that first website is anti-Islamic." it is an Islamic site as best as I can tell. While it is true Maududi appears to have Salafi leanings I can not find anything in that 23 page booklet were he promotes violence. Yes he does propose a very strict interpretation of Khalifate, but no where is he suggesting it be gained through violence.

I did say the second link is an anti-Islamic site and the bottom of their page gives their home page.

As a Muslim I do wish the entire world was Muslim but I also want that end to be the result of free choice. I do believe that with the coming of the Next Caliphate the entire world will accept Islam, but that will not happen until Jesus(as) returns and defeats the Anti-Christ. (The Dajjal)

I do urge all to read the 23 pages and make their own decisions as to if Maududi is promoting violence.

As for your link about the youtube of Mahmoud Al-Masri. I am having difficulty taking him seriously. I notice that is a 1 minute excerpt. It would be interesting to see the entire speech to see where he stands.

I think a lot has been left out. I doubt if he actually advocates any Muslim do that. Sounds like he was making an attempt at humor. But I can not say without seeing the entire speech.

I can not think of any Sunni seriously advocating that approach to convert anyone.

Of course that Maududi is advocating for the use of violence. I also ask all of you to read the manuscript yourselves. It is enlightening and dissipates many of the false misconceptions about a supposedly peaceful Islam.

You think that the cleric in the video is not advocating for the use of lies and violence. Hilarious. Here you have another pearl, from other Muslim clerics (the video has some very crude images of the holocaust, for which the Muslim cleric is praising Allah, so I advice you to avoid the video if you are easily disturbed):

Muslims hate Jews because of the koran and love Hitler because he exterminated the jews - YouTube

 

[smaneck]

I did not say "that first website is anti-Islamic." it is an Islamic site as best as I can tell. While it is true Maududi appears to have Salafi leanings I can not find anything in that 23 page booklet were he promotes violence. Yes he does propose a very strict interpretation of Khalifate, but no where is he suggesting it be gained through violence.

Uh Woodrow, one of things Mawdudi was most infamous for was promoting violence against Ahmadis. At one point he was sentenced to death for this in Pakistan. Here is what he says about jihad:

"Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam, regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard-bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State. Islam requires the earth—not just a portion, but the whole planet .... because the entire mankind should benefit from the ideology and welfare programme [of Islam] ... Towards this end, Islam wishes to press into service all forces which can bring about a revolution and a composite term for the use of all these forces is ‘Jihad’. .... the objective of the Islamic ‘ jihād’ is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of state rule."

I can't think of a better definition for an Islamist (as opposed to a Muslim) than the above. Mawdudi clearly sees Islam as a political ideology.

As a Muslim I do wish the entire world was Muslim but I also want that end to be the result of free choice. I do believe that with the coming of the Next Caliphate the entire world will accept Islam, but that will not happen until Jesus(as) returns and defeats the Anti-Christ. (The Dajjal)

In my opinion Dajjal are the clerics like Mawdudi.

I notice that is a 1 minute excerpt. It would be interesting to see the entire speech to see where he stands.

Memri Reports is notorious for taking things out of context or looking finding the most outrageous statements and presenting them as normative Islam. Its founders are members of the Likud Party.

But Mawdudi is really bad news. His thinking, along with Sayyid al-Qutb is behind most of the Sunni terrorist groups.

 

[Crypto]

You forget, my 'take' on Islam is Shi'ite and Shi'ites don't regard Aisha as a credible source.

Shi'ites are even worst than Sunni Muslims. Their Imams molest little children because Muhammad also did it:

Khomeini Sexually Assaulting Crying and screaming 4 year old Girl,with parental consent MIRROR - YouTube

 

[Ishraqiyun]

It's always best to get ones information on what Shi'ites believes by listening to the youtube videos of a Sunni who has peoples faces morping into devils. Kind of how the best place to learn about Protestantism is via youtube videos created by fundamentalist Catholics (or vice versa).

 

[WoodrowX2]

Of course that Maududi is advocating for the use of violence. I also ask all of you to read the manuscript yourselves. It is enlightening and dissipates many of the false misconceptions about a supposedly peaceful Islam.

You think that the cleric in the video is not advocating for the use of lies and violence. Hilarious. Here you have another pearl, from other Muslim clerics (the video has some very crude images of the holocaust, for which the Muslim cleric is praising Allah, so I advice you to avoid the video if you are easily disturbed):

Muslims hate Jews because of the koran and love Hitler because he exterminated the jews - YouTube

While I find Maududi's views to be Salafi, I can not see where he is advocating violence. Perhaps you can tell me on which page you find him advocating violence?

The video does strike me as being tongue in Cheek.

Keep in mind we have no ordained clerics in Islam.Every Adult Muslim can be an Imam. Even Reverts like myself. We rreally don't pay much attention to any Imam's personal views and opinions. The main concern is can he lead the prayers during Salat.

Yes there are Muslims who hate Jews. There are also Christians that hate them. Hard to tell which of us have treated Jews the Worse.

I happen to have Jewish relatives and had some who died in Auschwitz. I disagree with Judaism as a religion, but have no issues with individual Jews as people.

While there may be Muslims who love Hitler, that is their choice not a teaching of Islam. While some Islamic Nations did support Hitler, many others remember that Muslims living in Germany went to the gas chambers along with Jews.

Some Jews do remember the Muslims who helped them during the Holocaust.

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[smaneck]

Shi'ites are even worst than Sunni Muslims. Their Imams molest little children because Muhammad also did it:

As much as I can't stand Khomeini, I doubt very much if this incident happened. And if most Muslims found this behavior acceptable they wouldn't have been trying to use it against him.