The Lord's day.

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In response to the question of jurisdiction, old or new we are all under the requirements of God. The point that I am making in terms of the Law, as in Jeremiah, is that the law was not the item that was being changed and the new covenant did not say that the law was removed but written on the heart.
Taking your last point into consideration, the death came because of breaking the law. Are we not now also subject to death? And is not that death also because of violating/breaking the law?

Please explain the phrase "not according to."

 

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God does not change and we will still be judged by the law.
"I am the Lord I change not".
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty
Jesus does a better job of it than I.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You're simply amazing and must be challenged.

You quoted - For whosoever shall keep the whole law and pretend the rest of the verse doesn't apply those who do. You can't even think long enough to finish a sentence.

The law of liberty isn't the law of Moses or the Ten Commandments.

Mat 5:18-19 has been cleared up by Jesus in LK 24:44 several times and addressed to you. You must be throwing it out or have a very short memory. How many times do we need to repeat it?

 

[By Faith Alone]

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[JohnRabbit]

In response to the question of jurisdiction, old or new we are all under the requirements of God. The point that I am making in terms of the Law, as in Jeremiah, is that the law was not the item that was being changed and the new covenant did not say that the law was removed but written on the heart.
Taking your last point into consideration, the death came because of breaking the law. Are we not now also subject to death? And is not that death also because of violating/breaking the law?

good point!

 

[Elder 111]

Since discovering the definition of a word or a phrase is a matter of lexicography and history the biblical evidence for the Lord's day being Sunday must of necessity be twofold:

• Is the phrase used in the bible - yes, it is used The Apocalypse 1:10.
• What does the phrase mean - "John writes that he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. This is the only place in the New Testament where this day is so described, for elsewhere it is referred to as the first day of the week. It is the day of the Lord's resurrection, and by the end of the first century Christians had begun to refer to it not as the first day of the week but as the Lord's Day (compare the expression the Lord's Supper, 1Cor 11:20). It is the day that is devoted to the Lord. The text refers not to the eventual return of the Lord and the Day of Judgment but to Jesus' appearing to John on the first day of the week—a day consecrated to Christ."

Quoting early Church authors would add to the evidence for how the phrase is used in the Greek spoken and written by Christians in the first, second, and subsequent centuries AD. If you are curious to know what these early Christian writers had to say on the matter check it out on google.

God be with you all.

These men are outside of biblical account I have no reason even consider there word. The scripture don not even con near to support their word.

 

[Elder 111]

ALL..that are in Adam are subject to death by reason of the fall. The ones under the LAW were subject to death by early demise by stoning. The Ten Commandments surely cannot be separated from the ENTIRE law. No cherry-picking allowed. When playing poker one does not get to choose as they wish. You take the hand dealt to you.

YOU...dear friend are NOT a Hebrew. If somebody misses a Saturday meeting then you best have a pile of bloody stones ready.

God is who made the separation. Did Moses write the ten commandments? Did God treat the ten as He did all the others?

 

[Tzaousios]

These men are outside of biblical account I have no reason even consider there word.

Why not?

The scripture don not even con near to support their word.

How so? Merely blurting out "NUH UH!" does not make what you have said true.

 

[Elder 111]

Elder 111. You are under no obligation to answer post #371 nor this one. It is up to you. Please answer directly with Scriptures that do not contradict here:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

An holy day not the Sabbath. You well know that there many other days that were "holy" including the day of atonement. Was Paul referring to the Jews anyway? There were idol worship around with "holydays" too.

 

[Elder 111]

Your presentation is a non-starter. The Lord's attributes do not change. His direction in His purpose for the ages do not change...:

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

BUT...His ways of dealing with mankind does over the ages.
James 1:17 is directed to us to say there is no shadow of turning. If you are to use that as defense then be as George of the Jungle..."WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREE!!" (in the garden"). Be prepared to build an Ark. Be prepared to sell all you have and give it to the poor. Speak in tongues. Raise the dead. Heal without failing.

The reference to the Kingdom of Heaven is directed as His rule over Israel in the land as....KING.

Matt 15:24...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The change is in direct reference to God's character and principles. God is holy and that which He declares Holy is forever Holy including the Sabbath. Case in point, when Moses broke the tablets of stone God told him to make new stone tablets but God refused to let Moses write the ten commandments. Why? They were sacred and of supreme importance. I also believe that exactly what we have done is exactly what God was avoiding, that is for us to call them Moses' law or say that Moses wrote them.

 

[Elder 111]

They're not the Old Covenant laws. Jeremiah says so.

No he did not!

 

[Elder 111]

No sale! the word en also means on.

Thank you

 

[Elder 111]

Please explain the phrase "not according to."

From stone to heart addresses "not according to". Is that not a difference?

 

[Elder 111]

You're simply amazing and must be challenged.

You quoted - For whoso'ever shall keep the whole law and pretend the rest of the verse doesn't apply those who do. You can't even think long enough to finish a sentence.

The law of liberty isn't the law of Moses or the Ten Commandments.

Mat 5:18-19 has been cleared up by Jesus in LK 24:44 several times and addressed to you. You must be throwing it out or have a very short memory. How many times do we need to repeat it?

If the law of liberty is not the ten commandments, why is James quoting the ten commandments?
I did not miss the rest of the sentence. James is addressing the ten commandments and the "whole law" refers to the whole of the ten commandments and not no 600, that others want to slide in.
Luke 24:44 in no way negates that the law is forever. Jesus was not even talking about the Law in Luke 24.

 

[Elder 111]

Why not?



How so? Merely blurting out "NUH UH!" does not make what you have said true.

Why not EGW then.

 

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From stone to heart addresses "not according to". Is that not a difference?

No that is movement and refers to place not law, commandments or covenants.

 

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If the law of liberty is not the ten commandments, why is James quoting the ten commandments?
I did not miss the rest of the sentence. James is addressing the ten commandments and the "whole law" refers to the whole of the ten commandments and not no 600, that others want to slide in.
Luke 24:44 in no way negates that the law is forever. Jesus was not even talking about the Law in Luke 24.

Please note James says all the law.

The law will never be annihilated. It however no longer has jurisdiction. Furthermore Hebrews show the law has changed (been rescinded) with 7:12 or it makes Jesus a sinner and there is no salvation.

 

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Why not EGW then.

This destroys your claim you don't appeal to EGW. So when we say you're pushing her teachings don't deny it again whether or not you quote her. We've been saying this all along.

 

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In response to the question of jurisdiction, old or new we are all under the requirements of God. The point that I am making in terms of the Law, as in Jeremiah, is that the law was not the item that was being changed and the new covenant did not say that the law was removed but written on the heart.
Taking your last point into consideration, the death came because of breaking the law. Are we not now also subject to death? And is not that death also because of violating/breaking the law?

The physical body of the Christian does. The soul of the Christian isn't. For instance see the claim Jesus made in John 5:24.

 

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God does not change and we will still be judged by the law.
"I am the Lord I change not".
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty
Jesus does a better job of it than I.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Malachi 3:6 is true and so is Jeremiah 31:31-34 and a bunch of other passages you chose to twist or throw out and trample like trash.

It is the covenants that have changed as testified to by Jesus Christ (God the Son) which you don't accept.

 

[Elder 111]

No that is movement and refers to place no law or commandments.

That is my point. There is no mention of a change in the tenets of the law Just a move of place. No where from Genesis to Revelation is there even an indication that the law was change or the Sabbath removed.